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CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand — Once tempted to ditch its acquisition of a Chinese-built S26T diesel-electric submarine, Thailand has decided the project will now proceed. The cause of the indecision was China's failure to obtain German diesel engines for the submarine, and its proposal to substitute Chinese variants instead. However, the Thai Cabinet approved a contract amendment on Aug. 5, which permits this project to recommence after it had remained dormant since 2021. Bangkok ordered this solitary S26T submarine on May 5, 2017, although it had originally wanted three submarines until fiscal constraints scuppered this plan. Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry Group subsequently laid the boat's keel in Wuhan on Sept. 5, 2019. Replacement engines The Thai government had stipulated that the 2,600-ton boat must use German-manufactured MTU 396 diesel generator sets. When Germany refused to supply these engines, China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC) then proposed to utilize equivalent Chinese-made CHD620 engines to resurrect the project. Bangkok was reluctant to do so, however, over concerns about the quality and longevity of Chinese engines. The Royal Thai Navy — or RTN — next conducted a series of studies and stipulated that China must certify these CHD620V16H6 engines to assure their reliability. After China bench-tested the engines for more than 6,000 hours, the RTN issued its conclusion. 'It demonstrates a quality comparable to the original engine,' the RTN stated, 'in accordance with the performance limits specified in the agreement, and does not affect the submarine's performance.' Bangkok simultaneously requested compensation, with Beijing agreeing to assistance worth US$24.7 million. This includes China extending the warranty and maintenance support from two to eight years; providing future equipment and weapons; and giving support for submarine simulators. It is unclear what weapons the RTN will receive, but the package presumably includes heavy torpedoes, sea mines and perhaps anti-ship missiles like the CM-708UNB. Following August's approval, China now has until December 2028 to finish the submarine. Originally slated to enter service in 2023, the vessel is currently 64% complete. So far, Thailand has paid CSOC 7.7 billion baht, about US$237 million, across 10 instalments. Another 5.5 billion baht, or 37% of the submarine's cost, remains outstanding. Lessons learned This saga raises several issues. First, there was contractual laxity on the part of both China and Thailand, which assumed there would be no issue obtaining MTU engines. This proved not to be the case. Secondly, why did Germany block the export of these engines? Ostensibly it was because of a EU embargo imposed in late June 1989 in the wake of the Tiananmen Square massacre, with the German government confirming to Defense News that this 1989 declaration listed 'an embargo on trade in arms with China.' However, countries like France and Germany have not rigorously applied the embargo. For example, China has manufactured hundreds of Z-9 helicopters based on the Airbus Dauphin. Similarly, Chinese warships and submarines are commonly powered by German-derived engines. 'The Chinese and the Thais were in agreement, and then suddenly the Germans threw a spanner in that wheel, which is somewhat surprising,' said Siemon Wezeman, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Wezeman noted the engines themselves 'are not supersensitive,' and 'similar MTU engines have been actually sold by Germany to China.' However, he suggested Germany may have reevaluated its policy, and that dual-use items destined for China's military are now being more strictly policed. Wezeman even suggested the deeper problem Germany had might lie in the end user of the submarine being Thailand, rather than the builder being China. Thailand has been under military rule since a 2014 coup, and Germany previously blocked the sale of engines for Ukrainian-built BTR-3E 8x8 armored vehicles to Thailand. Thirdly, there is the important question of what engines Chinese submarines use. If China had to put the CHD620 through a qualification regime to satisfy Thailand, this indicates the People's Liberation Army Navy has not been using these engines on its own Type 039 submarines. Whose engines, then, has it been using? Defense News approached MTU numerous times for comment on the issue of selling engines to China for naval use, but the company failed to respond as of publication. Wezeman said it becomes hazy to what extent China is producing or buying foreign engines. 'As far as we know, there's still production going on in China of engines of originally French and German design,' he said. 'Very often this is under an agreement which is very old.' The Pakistan Navy has eight similar Chinese-designed Hangor-class submarines under construction as well. These will use the same CHD620V16H6 engines. Thailand's submarine purchase was emblematic of closer ties between its junta-led government and Beijing, as ties with the U.S. waned after the 2014 coup d'état. In fact, Australian scholar Dr. Greg Raymond concluded that 'the preponderance of evidence suggests that Thailand's submarine procurement was not solely about capability, but also intertwined with geopolitics and diplomacy.' Raymond found evidence that the Thai government 'exerted pressure on the navy to select the Chinese submarines,' even though European and South Korean alternatives offered better performance. Solve the daily Crossword

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After dillydallying, Thailand proceeds with Chinese-built submarine

CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand — Once tempted to ditch its acquisition of a Chinese-built S26T diesel-electric submarine, Thailand has decided the project will now proceed. The cause of the indecision was China's failure to obtain German diesel engines for the submarine, and its proposal to substitute Chinese variants instead. However, the Thai Cabinet approved a contract amendment on Aug. 5, which permits this project to recommence after it had remained dormant since 2021. Bangkok ordered this solitary S26T submarine on May 5, 2017, although it had originally wanted three submarines until fiscal constraints scuppered this plan. Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry Group subsequently laid the boat's keel in Wuhan on Sept. 5, 2019. Replacement engines The Thai government had stipulated that the 2,600-ton boat must use German-manufactured MTU 396 diesel generator sets. When Germany refused to supply these engines, China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC) then proposed to utilize equivalent Chinese-made CHD620 engines to resurrect the project. Bangkok was reluctant to do so, however, over concerns about the quality and longevity of Chinese engines. The Royal Thai Navy — or RTN — next conducted a series of studies and stipulated that China must certify these CHD620V16H6 engines to assure their reliability. After China bench-tested the engines for more than 6,000 hours, the RTN issued its conclusion. 'It demonstrates a quality comparable to the original engine,' the RTN stated, 'in accordance with the performance limits specified in the agreement, and does not affect the submarine's performance.' Bangkok simultaneously requested compensation, with Beijing agreeing to assistance worth US$24.7 million. This includes China extending the warranty and maintenance support from two to eight years; providing future equipment and weapons; and giving support for submarine simulators. It is unclear what weapons the RTN will receive, but the package presumably includes heavy torpedoes, sea mines and perhaps anti-ship missiles like the CM-708UNB. Following August's approval, China now has until December 2028 to finish the submarine. Originally slated to enter service in 2023, the vessel is currently 64% complete. So far, Thailand has paid CSOC 7.7 billion baht, about US$237 million, across 10 instalments. Another 5.5 billion baht, or 37% of the submarine's cost, remains outstanding. Lessons learned This saga raises several issues. First, there was contractual laxity on the part of both China and Thailand, which assumed there would be no issue obtaining MTU engines. This proved not to be the case. Secondly, why did Germany block the export of these engines? Ostensibly it was because of a EU embargo imposed in late June 1989 in the wake of the Tiananmen Square massacre, with the German government confirming to Defense News that this 1989 declaration listed 'an embargo on trade in arms with China.' However, countries like France and Germany have not rigorously applied the embargo. For example, China has manufactured hundreds of Z-9 helicopters based on the Airbus Dauphin. Similarly, Chinese warships and submarines are commonly powered by German-derived engines. 'The Chinese and the Thais were in agreement, and then suddenly the Germans threw a spanner in that wheel, which is somewhat surprising,' said Siemon Wezeman, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Wezeman noted the engines themselves 'are not supersensitive,' and 'similar MTU engines have been actually sold by Germany to China.' However, he suggested Germany may have reevaluated its policy, and that dual-use items destined for China's military are now being more strictly policed. Wezeman even suggested the deeper problem Germany had might lie in the end user of the submarine being Thailand, rather than the builder being China. Thailand has been under military rule since a 2014 coup, and Germany previously blocked the sale of engines for Ukrainian-built BTR-3E 8x8 armored vehicles to Thailand. Thirdly, there is the important question of what engines Chinese submarines use. If China had to put the CHD620 through a qualification regime to satisfy Thailand, this indicates the People's Liberation Army Navy has not been using these engines on its own Type 039 submarines. Whose engines, then, has it been using? Defense News approached MTU numerous times for comment on the issue of selling engines to China for naval use, but the company failed to respond as of publication. Wezeman said it becomes hazy to what extent China is producing or buying foreign engines. 'As far as we know, there's still production going on in China of engines of originally French and German design,' he said. 'Very often this is under an agreement which is very old.' The Pakistan Navy has eight similar Chinese-designed Hangor-class submarines under construction as well. These will use the same CHD620V16H6 engines. Thailand's submarine purchase was emblematic of closer ties between its junta-led government and Beijing, as ties with the U.S. waned after the 2014 coup d'état. In fact, Australian scholar Dr. Greg Raymond concluded that 'the preponderance of evidence suggests that Thailand's submarine procurement was not solely about capability, but also intertwined with geopolitics and diplomacy.' Raymond found evidence that the Thai government 'exerted pressure on the navy to select the Chinese submarines,' even though European and South Korean alternatives offered better performance. Solve the daily Crossword

Morning Bid: Suits and smiles define new Ukraine talks

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Morning Bid: Suits and smiles define new Ukraine talks

A look at the day ahead in European and global markets from Rocky Swift Volodymyr Zelenskiy dressed for success in his latest meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House. Trump complimented Zelenskiy on his black suit in a briefing punctuated with smiles and laughter. It was a much different scene than their chilly meeting in February, when the Ukrainian president's military-style attire in the Oval Office drew ire. Zelenskiy declared it "the best of our meetings," and Trump said the United States would help guarantee Ukraine's security in any deal to end Russia's hostility there. Whether it was the suit or just growing desperation to end a war that has cast a shadow over the region for more than three years, enthusiasm was contagious. NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said Trump's meeting with Zelenskiy and other European and NATO partners was very successful. German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said his expectations for the gathering were "exceeded." Even Russia joined in, with special envoy for investment and economic cooperation Kirill Dmitriev calling Monday an "important day of diplomacy." On a largely directionless day in Asian markets, European equity futures traded higher. Pan-region Euro Stoxx 50 futures, German DAX futures, and FTSE contracts were all up about 0.2%. While traders keep one eye on geopolitical developments, the other will be focused on the Federal Reserve's August 21-23 Jackson Hole symposium. Chair Jerome Powell is due to speak on the economic outlook and the central bank's policy framework at the annual gathering. Money markets reflect an 83.6% chance of a quarter-point rate cut at the Fed's meeting on September 17, according to CME FedWatch. Fed Governor Michelle Bowman, one of two dissenting voices favouring a rate cut at last month's meeting, is due to speak today. Key developments that could influence markets on Tuesday: - Home Depot Q2 results - U.S. housing starts, building permits for July - Canada consumer price index for July - Debt sales: German 5-year notes, British 10-year gilts - Fed Vice Chair Michelle Bowman to speak at the Wyoming Blockchain Symposium 2025 - 1810 GMT. - Riksbank monetary policy meeting Sign in to access your portfolio

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