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USA Today
13 hours ago
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- USA Today
Stefon Diggs already provided one Patriots rookie with his welcome to the NFL moment
FOXBOROUGH — New England Patriots rookie Craig Woodson's 'welcome to the NFL' moment came early in his career. And luckily, it occurred during practice rather than a game. After Tuesday's padded training camp practice, Woodson spoke with reporters about a particular play that involved four-time Pro Bowl wide receiver Stefon Diggs. 'Stefon got over me. I gotta have better leverage on that,' Woodson said. 'Plays like that let me know I'm here, this is the NFL, everybody's good. So I've just got to be on my 'A' game.' And the quarterbacks are also giving him a wake-up call. "One thing I've learned is that these quarterbacks, they are good," Woodson said of his first NFL training camp. "They can make those throws from sideline to sideline, so I have to have that range." Woodson was selected by the Patriots in the fourth round of the 2025 NFL draft out of the University of California. For his final three years with the Golden Bears, Woodson had a starting role. Specifically in 2024, he recorded 45 solo tackles, two interceptions, and nine pass breakups across 13 games. And he credits his time at Cal for helping prepare him for the NFL. "Cal really prepared me for this moment. We did a lot of coverage and different things," Woodson explained. "So I think just having that comfortability from college and then coming here just helps." Follow Patriots Wire on Twitter and Facebook.
New York Times
a day ago
- Sport
- New York Times
Who are the most important transfer portal additions for every Power 4 team?
Rosters are constantly evolving in college football. Recruiting is still vitally important, but every team (yes, even Clemson!) needs to plug some holes via the transfer portal each offseason. As camp opens, here's a look at who we think are the most important — not necessarily the best — transfers on each Power 4 team. Advertisement Boston College: Dylan Lonergan, QB, Alabama — Grayson James, who started five games in 2024, is the frontrunner heading into training camp, but Lonergan, who has three years of eligibility remaining, should be a big part of Boston College's future. The former four-star prospect from Georgia committed to Alabama when current BC head coach Bill O'Brien was the Crimson Tide's offensive coordinator. Cal: Jaron-Keawe Sagapolutele, QB, Oregon — Sagapolutele, a top-100 recruit in the Class of 2025, flipped from Cal to Oregon just before the early signing period but lasted less than a month in Eugene before transferring to Cal in early January. (He's technically a transfer since he enrolled at Oregon.) Sagaputele is not expected to beat out former Ohio State backup Devin Brown for the starting job, but this is a huge get for the Bears after they lost Fernando Mendoza to the portal. Clemson: Will Heldt, edge, Purdue — Yes, Dabo Swinney does use the transfer portal. Heldt produced 56 tackles, including 10 for loss and five sacks, in 12 starts last season for the Boilermakers and will take some pressure off highly touted juniors T.J. Parker and Peter Woods on Clemson's defensive front. Duke: Darian Mensah, QB, Tulane — Maalik Murphy led the Blue Devils to nine wins in Manny Diaz's first season in Durham, but Duke's offense ranked 12th in the ACC in scoring and 15th in yards per play. So it makes sense why the coaching staff felt the need to go out and spend big on a third-year player who finished sixth nationally in passing efficiency and guided his former team to nine wins. Darian Mensah was the #1 G5 QB last year by the meaningful metrics…and some of his stats were just silly. 14.4 Yards/Comp (behind only Jaxson Dart)0.54 EPA/Play (28% above any other G5)8.23 Yards/Play (half-yard above any other G5) Duke might be really good this year. — Travis May (@FF_TravisM) June 30, 2025 Florida State: Tommy Castellanos, QB, Boston College — The Seminoles have nowhere to go but up after finishing last in the ACC in scoring, yards per carry, passing efficiency, turnover margin and sacks allowed per game. Is Castellanos, who lost his starting job at Boston College last season, the answer? He is a true dual threat (3,689 passing yards, 1,427 rushing yards in 26 career games) who was recruited to UCF in the Class of 2022 by new Florida State offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn. Advertisement Georgia Tech: Eric Rivers, WR, FIU — Big-play receiver Eric Singleton Jr., now at Auburn, was the most notable departure for Brent Key and staff. Rivers, who led Conference USA in receiving yards (1,172) and touchdown catches (12) last season, will be asked to play a prominent role in his final season of eligibility. Louisville: Miller Moss, QB, USC — Jeff Brohm managed to find a plug-and-play replacement at quarterback from the portal in his first two seasons at his alma mater. Moss hasn't started nearly as many games (10) as Tyler Shough (20) and Jack Plummer (25) did before they arrived at Louisville, but he's a former P4 starter who had some nice moments last year at USC. Miami: Carson Beck, QB, Georgia — Miami hit the portal jackpot last season with Cam Ward, who guided the No. 1 scoring offense and led the Canes to 10 wins for only the second time since joining the ACC two decades ago. Beck, coming off season-ending elbow surgery, is hoping to follow in Ward's footsteps and help his draft stock in his final college season. North Carolina: Gio Lopez, QB, South Alabama — Nobody shuffled through more transfers in the ACC than Bill Belichick's program, and Lopez was one of the later additions, arriving in April after Ryan Browne returned to Purdue. Lopez started 12 games in two seasons in the Sun Belt and showed Belichick enough in a loss to LSU last season (17-for-23, 173 yards) to bring him in to lead his rebuild. NC State: Teague Andersen, OT, Utah State — One of Dave Doeren's biggest offseason tasks — aside from hiring a new defensive coordinator — was finding replacements for three starters on the offensive line. Andersen, an 18-game starter at Utah State, was a huge acquisition. Pittsburgh: Jeff Persi, OL, Michigan — Bolstering the defense, which ranked 12th in the ACC in scoring in 2024, was a top priority for veteran coach Pat Narduzzi. But his most important addition might end up being Persi, a former blue-chip recruit who had three career starts at Michigan. The California native emerged from spring practice as the starting left tackle. Advertisement SMU: Terry Webb, DT, Texas State — Rhett Lashlee is known for his offenses, but the Mustangs actually led the ACC in both total defense and scoring defense en route to their CFP appearance. Nine starters off that defense are gone, and Webb, a 6-3, 314-pound tackle who started 13 games at Texas State last season, could be a pivotal piece to the retooled defensive front. Stanford: CJ Williams, WR, Wisconsin — Like rival Cal, Stanford lost five offensive starters to the portal, including standout receiver Emmett Mosley (Texas). Tight end Sam Roush will likely be the No. 1 option for quarterback Elijah Brown, and Williams leads a quartet of new receivers brought in via the portal to fill the roles left behind by Mosley and fourth-round pick Elic Ayomanor. Syracuse: Steve Angeli, QB, Notre Dame — Fran Brown brought in two quarterbacks, Angeli and Rickie Collins from LSU, to find a replacement for sixth-round pick Kyle McCord, the ACC's leader in passing yards last season. Angeli played well off the bench in the CFP semifinal against Penn State and is considered the favorite to win the job. Virginia: Chandler Morris, QB, North Texas — Morris, a sixth-year senior who has made stops at Oklahoma, TCU and North Texas, threw for 3,774 yards and 31 touchdowns with the Mean Green in 2024. Morris' father, Chad, was Clemson's offensive coordinator from 2011 to 2014 while current Virginia head coach Tony Elliott was the running backs coach. Virginia Tech: Tomas Rimac, OL, West Virginia — The Hokies lost all five starters on the offensive line, including three to the transfer portal. Rimac's 29 career starts — with 13 last season at right guard — make up nearly half of the current O-line's combined career starts. Wake Forest: Fa'alili Fa'amoe, OT, Washington State — The Demon Deacons return 1,000-yard rusher Demond Claiborne, but will have five new starters on the offensive line. Fa'amoe is one of six portal additions on the line, and his 26 starts and 1,800 career snaps are the most of any player on the roster for new coach Jake Dickert. Notre Dame: Malachi Fields, WR, Virginia: Fields didn't spend the spring in South Bend, but will make an impact this fall because of his size (6-4, 220 pounds) and downfield playmaking ability. He's caught 113 passes for 1,619 yards and 10 touchdowns over the last two seasons. Advertisement Arizona: Kris Hutson, WR, Washington State — Noah Fifita lost star receiver Tetairoa McMillan (No. 8 overall in the NFL Draft) but could potentially have a better collection of receivers in Year 2 of the Brent Brennan era. Hutson has been productive at two previous stops: Washington State last year (54 catches for 683 yards) and Oregon (two 400-yard seasons). Arizona State: Kanye Udoh, RB, Army — Cam Skattebo rushed for 1,711 yards in 2024 and was also Arizona State's second-leading pass catcher behind Jordyn Tyson. Udoh, who ran for 1,117 yards and 10 touchdowns as a sophomore at Army, won't make up for all of it himself. But he'll play an integral part, along with receiver Jalen Moss (Fresno State transfer), in taking pressure off Tyson and quarterback Sam Leavitt. Baylor: Travion Barnes, LB, FIU — The Bears lost six defensive players who started at least seven games in 2024, including first-team All-Big 12 linebacker Matt Jones. Barnes was the 2024 Conference USA Defensive Player of the Year and will team with holdover Keaton Thomas to form arguably the best linebacker tandem in the league. BYU: Keanu Tanuvasa, DL, Utah — Tanuvasa is switching sides in the Holy War and will be a welcome addition to a BYU defense that must replace eight full-time starters from a unit that led the Big 12 in both scoring defense and yards per play allowed. The 6-4, 300-pound redshirt junior started 19 games at Utah. Cincinnati: Matthew McDoom, CB, Coastal Carolina — Scott Satterfield lost four starters in the secondary and on the offensive line, as well as the Bearcats' top four wide receivers. He addressed all those needs with transfers. McDoom, a first-team All-Sun Belt selection last season, is the most experienced FBS-level starter on the defense. Colorado: Kaidon Salter, QB, Liberty — Life after Travis Hunter and Shedeur Sanders is about to commence. If Salter beats out highly touted freshman Julian Lewis for the starting job, he'll have a veteran offensive line blocking for him. Salter led Liberty to 13 wins in 2023 but looked ordinary last year with less help around him. Houston: Conner Weigman, QB, Texas A&M — Willie Fritz fielded one of the worst offenses in college football in his debut season with the Cougars. Weigman, a former five-star recruit who had a 9-4 record during an injury-riddled three seasons with the Aggies, has a chance to be the hero as he returns home. Advertisement Iowa State: Chase Sowell, WR, East Carolina — The Cyclones brought in the fewest transfers in the league (eight) but did use the portal to address the receiver position after losing standouts Jayden Higgins and Jaylin Noel. Howell, who started his career at Colorado, caught 81 passes for 1,300 yards over the last two seasons at ECU. Kansas: Leshon Williams, RB, Iowa — The Jayhawks have a big hole in the backfield after losing sixth-round NFL Draft pick Devin Neal, the school's all-time rushing leader. Williams played only 45 snaps at Iowa last season behind third-round pick Kaleb Johnson, but he led the Hawkeyes with 821 yards rushing in 2023. New Kansas RB Leshon Williams. — Kevin Flaherty (@KFlahertyKCSN) December 2, 2024 Kansas State: Gunner Maldonado, S, Arizona — Safety VJ Payne is the only full-time starter back in the K-State secondary. Maldonado, a former captain at Arizona, has 31 career starts and gives defensive coordinator Joe Klanderman some more experience. Maldonado suffered a season-ending injury four games into the 2024 season but has 177 tackles, six forced fumbles and four interceptions in his career. Oklahoma State: Kyran Duhon, edge, UTEP — Mike Gundy spelled things out pretty clearly at Big 12 media days: The Cowboys brought in 65 new players following a 3-9 season, with 35 of the newcomers arriving after spring football. Duhon, a 6-1, 250-pound sophomore, is one of the young players to build around. He finished second in Conference USA with seven sacks last season. TCU: Joseph Manjack, WR, Houston — The Horned Frogs had two receivers — Jack Bech and Savion Williams — drafted off last year's eighth-ranked passing offense. Quarterback Josh Hoover is back after passing on overtures from Tennessee and has Eric McAlister back to step into the No. 1 receiver role. Manjack, who averaged 16 yards on his 22 receptions in 2024, projects as the perfect complement. Texas Tech: David Bailey, edge, Stanford — It's been well documented how much the Red Raiders' NIL collective poured into their roster during the winter transfer portal window. Bailey, however, didn't become available until after Troy Taylor was fired at Stanford in the spring. His elite edge-rushing skills (14.5 sacks, 91 career pressures) are being counted on to help push the program over the top. UCF: Sincere Edwards, edge, Pittsburgh — Scott Frost is back running the show in Orlando and has more than 70 newcomers on the roster. Edwards, an Orlando-area native, is one of the locals who returned home after a strong showing (three sacks in 13 games) as a freshman in the ACC. Advertisement Utah: Devon Dampier, QB, New Mexico — Utah has continued to play excellent defense under Kyle Whittingham, but Cameron Rising's injuries slowed the program's momentum over the last two seasons. Dampier's arrival from New Mexico, along with new offensive coordinator Jason Beck, could have a Vanderbilt-like slingshot effect for the Utes this fall. West Virginia: Jimmori Robinson, edge, UTSA — Rich Rodriguez has brought in more than 50 transfers in his return to Morgantown. Robinson, a 6-4, 294-pound redshirt senior, was the 2024 AAC Defensive Player of the Year and will be tasked with taking a leading role after West Virginia ranked 110th nationally in scoring defense last season. Illinois: Hudson Clement, WR, West Virginia — Clement, a former walk-on who caught 51 passes for 741 yards in 2024, will need to be a primary target in a receiving corps that must replace departing seniors Pat Bryant and Zakhari Franklin. Indiana: Fernando Mendoza, QB, Cal — Kurtis Rourke, a transfer from Ohio, had a profound impact on Indiana's magical run to the College Football Playoff. Mendoza, who went 9-10 as the Bears starter, is viewed as having a higher ceiling. Georgia wanted him when he entered the portal, but he elected to join his younger brother, Alberto, at Indiana. Iowa: Mark Gronowski, QB, South Dakota State — It's not often a two-time national championship-winning quarterback becomes available, but the Hawkeyes and coach Kirk Ferentz were happy to pounce. Gronowski started 55 games in four seasons with the Jackrabbits and threw for at least 2,700 yards in three straight seasons. If anyone can change the narrative of Iowa QBs it's South Dakota State Transfer Mark Gronowski 👀 — SleeperCFB (@SleeperCFB) May 15, 2025 Maryland: Jamare Glasker, DB, Wake Forest — The Terrapins had five players drafted off last season's underachieving 4-8 squad and then lost nine full-time starters to the transfer portal. Experience is lacking all over the field, but especially on defense. Glasker is one of only two defensive players with double-digit starts in his college career. Michigan: Justice Haynes, RB, Alabama — Kalel Mullings and Donovan Edwards combined to run for 1,537 yards and 16 of Michigan's 18 rushing touchdowns last season and are now off to the pros. Haynes lost his starting job in Tuscaloosa last season to Jam Miller but might be a better fit in Ann Arbor for offensive coordinator Chip Lindsey, who put Omarion Hampton to good use in his two seasons at North Carolina. Advertisement Michigan State: Conner Moore, OT, Montana State — Jonathan Smith brought in 41 new players — including 23 transfers — to help replace 12 full-time starters from last season's 5-7 team. So, there are plenty of options to choose from. But we'll go with Moore, an FCS All-American last season who is expected to protect quarterback Aidan Chiles' blindside for potentially the next two years. Minnesota: Javon Tracy, WR, Miami (Ohio) — Minnesota had plenty of holes to fill after losing 13 full-time starters off an 8-5 team. Tracy, a first-team All-MAC selection who caught 57 passes for 818 yards in 2024, has the chance to be the best of the imports as a true No. 1 receiver. Nebraska: Williams Nwaneri, DE, Missouri — Matt Rhule brought in four full-time starters from other Power 4 teams to both protect and provide downfield targets for former five-star quarterback Dylan Raiola. But the most impactful newcomer might end up being Nwaneri, the No. 8 overall prospect in the Class of 2024 who still has four years of eligibility remaining. Northwestern: Preston Stone, QB, SMU — Stone, a former four-star recruit who began the 2024 season as the starter at SMU, is being asked to resuscitate a Northwestern passing attack that combined to throw seven touchdown passes last year (worst among Power 4 teams) and averaged only 5.7 yards per attempt (second worst). Ohio State: Ethan Onianwa, OT, Rice — New starting quarterback Julian Sayin has plenty of dynamic weapons in the passing game, including transfer tight end Max Klare from Purdue. But what Sayin really needed was pass protection, and that makes the 6-6, 357-pound Onianwa the Buckeyes' most important addition via the portal. Oregon: Dillon Thieneman, S, Purdue — Dan Lanning added eight starters from other programs through the transfer portal. Among them are Makhi Hughes, a two-time 1,000-yard rusher at Tulane, three offensive linemen and three defensive backs. Thieneman, the 2023 Big Ten Freshman of the Year, gets the nod because he could quarterback the defense the next two years. Penn State: Trebor Pena, WR, Syracuse — Drew Allar has the best backfield in the country behind him and arguably the best offensive line in the Big Ten blocking for him. What he didn't have was a go-to pass catcher now that tight end Tyler Warren is off to the NFL. Pena, who led the ACC with 84 receptions last season, is expected to fill the role. Advertisement Purdue: Sanders Ellis, LB, Tennessee State — New coach Barry Odom brought in more than 50 transfers, including 15 who started at least seven games for their former programs in 2024. Two of them were true freshmen, including Ellis, an FCS All-American who recorded 15.5 tackles for loss and helped lead the Tigers to the playoffs. Rutgers: Cam Miller, DB, Penn State — Greg Schiano landed 11 players in the transfer portal who started at least eight games for their former teams last season. Miller wasn't one of them. He started only five games for the Nittany Lions in 2024 but is viewed as a key addition because Rutgers has to replace sixth-round pick Robert Longerbeam and three other starters in the secondary. UCLA: Nico Iamaleava, QB, Tennessee — Second-year coach Deshaun Foster needs Iamaleava — a former five-star prospect who led Tennessee to the College Football Playoff — to be very good. The Bruins ranked 16th in the Big Ten in scoring last year at 18.4 points per game. USC: Keeshawn Silver, DL, Kentucky — Lincoln Riley landed six full-time starters from 2024 via the portal, but few appear to be more important to the program's immediate success than Silver. He is one of just two players on the Trojans' front seven with double-digit career starts. Washington: Carver Willis, OT, Kansas State — The Huskies went from winning the Joe Moore Award in 2023 — given to the best offensive line in college football — to finishing last in the Big Ten in sacks allowed last season. Willis and Drew Azzopardi will team up to provide coach Jedd Fisch with two dependable, proven starting tackles as quarterback Demond Williams Jr. takes over the offense. Wisconsin: Billy Edwards Jr., QB, Maryland — The Badgers are in the midst of an offensive overhaul in Year 3 under Luke Fickell. Jeff Grimes, the new play caller, will turn to Edwards to jumpstart an offense that ranked 13th in the Big Ten in scoring in 2025. He threw for 2,881 yards with 15 TDs and nine interceptions in 2024, his first year as a starter in college. Alabama: Nikhai Hill-Green, LB, Colorado — Hill-Green is one of only two incoming transfers at Alabama who started double-digit games in 2024. With Deontae Lawson coming back from a season-ending ACL tear, Hill-Green provides Alabama with some needed depth at linebacker. Advertisement Arkansas: Phillip Lee, edge, Troy — Lee, who produced five sacks, 11 tackles for loss and 21 quarterback pressures in 2024, will help replace third-round pick Landon Jackson. He is one of seven defensive transfers who started at least eight games last season. Auburn: Jackson Arnold, QB, Oklahoma — Arnold will play with a star-studded receiving corps and a veteran offensive line that has 94 combined career starts. Basically, it's everything he didn't have in his first year as Oklahoma's starter. Florida: J. Michael Sturdivant, WR, UCLA — No SEC team brought in fewer transfers than Florida (six), which is banking on DJ Lagway and its young collection of talent to keep things headed in the right direction. Studrivant's 30 career starts are the most on the team, and his experience will be highly valuable on a talented receiving corps. Georgia: Zachariah Branch, WR, USC — It was no secret that the Bulldogs, who dropped too many passes last season, needed to upgrade at receiver. Branch, a former five-star prospect, gets the nod over Noah Thomas (Texas A&M) because of his ability to make an impact in the return game. ZACHARIAH BRANCH AUGUST HEISMAN — RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) August 27, 2023 Kentucky: Zach Calzada, QB, Incarnate Word — The Wildcats needed to hit the reset button on offense after a dreadful 2024 season. Calzada hasn't been named the starter yet, but there's a reason the staff signed the seventh-year passer who has spent time at Texas A&M, Auburn and Incarnate Word. LSU: Patrick Payton, edge, Florida State — LSU will get its money's worth if Payton, a former ACC Defensive Rookie of the Year, performs like he did in 2023 when he produced 44 pressures and seven sacks while playing opposite first-round pick Jared Verse. Mississippi State: Brenen Thompson, WR, Oklahoma — Coming off a 2-10 debut season, Jeff Lebby brought in more transfers (34) than any other team in the SEC. From an immediate production standpoint, Thompson, who played for Lebby at OU, is best equipped to fill the void created by the departures of Kevin Coleman (Missouri) and Mario Craver (Texas A&M). Advertisement Missouri: Beau Pribula, QB, Penn State — He hasn't officially been named the starter yet, but Pribula's elusiveness as a runner gives him a leg up on Sam Horn to replace Brady Cook. The rest of Missouri's transfer class is very good and includes budding star running back Ahmad Hardy (Louisiana-Monroe) and the aforementioned Coleman. Oklahoma: John Mateer, QB, Washington State — An injury-riddled inaugural season in the SEC landed Brent Venables under the microscope heading into Year 4 in Norman. Mateer's arrival, along with his former offensive coordinator Ben Arbuckle at Washington State, is supposed to cure many of Oklahoma's ailments. Ole Miss: Sage Ryan, S, LSU — Lane Kiffin has to replace eight NFL draft picks, including five from the SEC's No. 1 scoring defense. Ryan, who started 18 games at LSU over the last two seasons, is one of the most experienced players on the Ole Miss defense. South Carolina: Isaiah Augustave, RB, Colorado — South Carolina is still waiting to find out if Rahsul Faison, a 1,100-yard rusher at Utah State in 2024, will be cleared to play this season. That makes Augustave, who led Colorado with 384 rushing yards in 2024, a potentially big addition. Tennessee: Joey Aguilar, QB, UCLA — Before he spent the spring at UCLA, Aguilar started 24 games at Appalachian State and broke single-season school records for touchdown passes and passing yards. He's the only quarterback on the roster with starting experience. Texas: Jack Endries, TE, Cal — Endries is the headliner of a relatively small portal class. He caught 56 balls for 623 yards and two touchdowns last season at Cal and should step in and replace Gunnar Helm's production. Texas A&M: KC Concepcion, WR, NC State —There's a lot of excitement over 2024 five-star recruit Terry Bussey's future after a stellar freshman season, but the Aggies needed experience at the position. Concepcion, the 2023 ACC Rookie of the Year, provides it. He's caught 124 passes for 1,299 yards and 16 touchdowns in two seasons. Advertisement Vanderbilt: Jordan White, C, Liberty — The offensive line was a major offseason focus for the Commodores. White, who played for offensive line coach Chris Klenakis at Liberty two years ago, is expected to take over at center after starting 11 games last season at left guard. (Photo of KC Concepcion: Jim Dedmon / Imagn Images)
The Guardian
3 days ago
- Entertainment
- The Guardian
‘Generations of women have been disfigured': Jamie Lee Curtis lets rip on plastic surgery, power, and Hollywood's age problem
I'm scheduled to speak to Jamie Lee Curtis at 2pm UK time, and a few minutes before the allotted slot I dial in via video link, to be met with a vision of the 66-year-old actor sitting alone in a darkened room, staring impassively into the camera. 'Morning,' she says, with comic flatness, as I make a sound of surprise that is definitely not a little scream. Oh, hi!! I say, Are you early or am I late? 'I'm always early,' says the actor, deadpan. 'Or as my elder daughter refers to me, 'aggressively early'.' Curtis is in a plain black top, heavy black-framed glasses and – importantly for this conversation – little or no makeup, while behind her in the gloom, a dog sleeps in a basket. She won't say what part of the US she's in beyond the fact it's a 'witness protection cabin in the woods' where 'I'm trying to have privacy' – an arch way, I assume, of saying she's not in LA – and immediately starts itemising other situations in which she has been known to be early: Hollywood premieres ('They tell me I can't go to the red carpet yet because it's not open and so my driver, Cal, and I drive around and park in the shade'); early-morning text messages ('I wake people up'); even her work schedule: 'I show up, do the work, and then I get the fuck out.' This is the short version; in full, the opening minutes of our conversation involve Curtis free-associating through references to the memory of her mother and stepfather missing her performance in a school musical in Connecticut; the negotiating aims of the makeup artists' union; the nickname by which she would like to be known if she ever becomes a grandmother ('Fifo' – short for 'first in first out'); and what, exactly, her earliness is about. Not, as you might imagine, anxiety, but: 'You know, honestly, I've done enough analysis of all this – it's control.' Curtis knows her early arrivals strike some people as rude. 'My daughter Annie says: 'People aren't ready for you.' And I basically say: 'Well, that's their problem. They should be ready.'' 'That's their problem' is, along with, 'I don't give a shit any more' a classic Curtis expression that goes a long way towards explaining why so many people love her – and they really do love her – a woman who on top of charming us for decades in a clutch of iconic roles, has crossed over, lately, into that paradoxical territory in which she is loved precisely because she's done worrying about what others think of her. Specifically, she doesn't care about the orthodoxies of an industry in which women are shamed into having cosmetic surgery before they hit 30. Curtis has spoken of having a procedure herself at 25, following a comment made on the set of a film that her eyes were 'baggy'. Regretting it, she has in the years since made the genuinely outlandish and inspiring decision to wear her hair grey and eschew surgical tweaks. That Curtis is the child of two Hollywood icons, Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh, and thus an insider since birth, either makes this more surprising or else explains it entirely, but either way, she has become someone who appears to operate outside the usual Hollywood rules. 'I have become quite brusque,' says Curtis, of people making demands on her time when she's not open for business. 'And I have no problem saying: 'Back the fuck off.'' I can believe it. During the course of our conversation, Curtis's attitude – which is broadly charming, occasionally hectoring and appears to be driven by a general and sardonic belligerence – is that of someone pushing back against a lifetime of misconceptions, from which, four months shy of her 67th birthday, she finally feels herself to be free. Curtis is in a glorious phase of her career, one that, despite starring in huge hits – from the Halloween franchise and A Fish Called Wanda (1988) to Trading Places (1983), True Lies (1994) and the superlative Knives Out (2019) – has always eluded her. The fact is, celebrity aside, Curtis has never been considered a particularly heavyweight actor or been A-list in the conventional way. At its most trivial, this has required her to weather small slights, such as being ignored by the Women In Film community, with its tedious schedule of panels and events. ('I still exist outside of Women In Film,' she snaps. 'They're not asking me to their lunch.') And, more broadly, has seen Curtis completely overlooked by the Oscars since she shot Halloween, her first movie, at the age of 19. Well, all that has changed now. In 2023, Curtis won an Oscar for best supporting actress for her role as Deirdre Beaubeirdre in the genre-bending movie Everything Everywhere All at Once. That same year, she appeared in a single episode of the multi-award-winning TV show The Bear as Donna Berzatto, the alcoholic mother of a large Italian clan – she calls it 'the most exhilarating creative experience I will ever have'. Anyone who saw this extraordinary performance is still talking about it, and it led to a larger role on the show. Doors that had always been shut to Curtis flew open. For years, she had tried and failed to get movie and TV projects off the ground. Now, she lists the forthcoming projects she had a hand in bringing to the screen: 'Freakier Friday, TV series Scarpetta, survival movie The Lost Bus, four other TV shows and two other movies.' She has become a 'prolific producer', she says, as well as a Hollywood elder and role model. All of which makes Curtis laugh – the fact that, finally, 'at 66, I get to be a boss'. You'd better believe she'll be making the most of it. The movie Curtis and I are ostensibly here to talk about is Freakier Friday, the follow-up to Freaky Friday, the monster Disney hit of 2003 in which Curtis and Lindsay Lohan appeared as a mother and daughter who switch bodies with hilarious consequences. I defy anyone who enjoyed the first film not to feel both infinitely aged by revisiting the cast more than 20 years on, and also not to find it a wildly enjoyable return. The teenage Lohan of the first movie is now a 37-year-old mother of 15-year-old Harper, played by Julia Butters, while the introduction of a second teenager – Harper's mortal enemy Lily, played by Sophia Hammons – allows for a four-way body swap in which Curtis-as-grandma is inhabited by Hammons' British wannabe influencer. If it lacks the simplicity of the first movie, I thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to taking my 10-year-old girls when it opens next month. It is also a movie that presented Curtis with an odd set of challenges. She has a problem with 'pretty'. When Curtis herself was a teenager, she says, she was 'cute but not pretty'. She watched both her parents' careers atrophy after their youthful good looks started to wane. Part of her shtick around earliness is an almost existential refusal to live on Hollywood's timeline, because, she says: 'I witnessed my parents lose the very thing that gave them their fame and their life and their livelihood, when the industry rejected them at a certain age. I watched them reach incredible success and then have it slowly erode to where it was gone. And that's very painful.' As a result, says Curtis: 'I have been self-retiring for 30 years. I have been prepping to get out, so that I don't have to suffer the same as my family did. I want to leave the party before I'm no longer invited.' In the movie, Curtis was allowed to keep her grey hair (although it looks shot through with blond) but her trademark pixie cut was replaced with something longer and softer. I take it with a pinch when she says things such as, 'I'm an old lady' and, 'I'm going to die soon' – even in age-hating Hollywood, this seems overegged – but one takes the point that she found the conventional aesthetic demands of Freakier Friday, in which she 'had to look pretty, I had to pay attention to [flattering] lighting, and clothes and hair and makeup and nails', much harder than playing a dishevelled alcoholic in The Bear. On the other hand, Curtis is a pro and, of course, gave Disney the full-throated, zany-but-still-kinda-hot grandma they wanted. (There is a scene in which she tries to explain various board games – Boggle, Parcheesi – to the owl-eyed teens that reminds you just how fine a comic actor she is.) It's the story of how Freakier Friday came about, however, that really gives insight into who Curtis is: an absolute, indefatigable and inveterate hustler. 'I am owning my hustle, now,' she says and is at her most impressive, her most charming and energised when she is talking about the hustle. To wit: Curtis was on a world tour promoting the Halloween franchise that made her name and that enjoyed a hugely successful reboot in 2018, when something about the crowd response struck her. 'In every single city I went to, the only movie they asked me about besides Halloween was Freaky Friday – was there going to be a sequel?' When she got back from the tour, she called Bob Iger, Disney's CEO. 'I said: 'Look, I don't know if you're planning on doing [a sequel], but Lindsay is old enough to have a teenager now, and I'm telling you the market for that movie exists.'' As the project came together, Curtis learned that Disney was planning to release Freakier Friday straight to streaming. 'And I called Bob Iger' – it's at this point you start to imagine Iger seeing Curtis's name flash up on his phone and experiencing a slight drop in spirits – 'and I called David Greenbaum [Disney Live Action president], and I called Asad Ayaz, who's the head of marketing, and I said: 'Guys, I have one word for you: Barbie. If you don't think the audience that saw Barbie is going to be the audience that goes and sees Freakier Friday, you're wrong.'' This is what Curtis means when she refers to herself as 'a marketing person', or 'a weapon of mass promotion', and she has done it for ever. It's what she did in 2002 when she lobbied More magazine to let her pose in her underwear and no makeup – 'They didn't come to me and say: 'Hey Jamie, how about you take off your clothes and show America that you're chubby?' The More magazine thing happened because I said it should happen, and I even titled the piece: True Thighs.' And it is what she was doing a few weeks before our interview when she turned up to the photoshoot in LA bearing a bunch of props she had ordered from Amazon, including oversized plastic lips and a blond wig. Curtis says: 'There are many, many actresses who love the dress up, who love clothes, who love fashion, who love being a model. I. Hate. It. I feel like I am having to wrestle with your idea of me versus my idea of me. Because I've worked hard to establish who I am, and I don't want you to … I have struggled with it my whole life.' Curtis is emphatic that her ideas be accurately interpreted and, before our meeting, sent an email via her publicist explaining her thinking behind the shoot. 'The wax lips is my statement against plastic surgery. I've been very vocal about the genocide of a generation of women by the cosmeceutical industrial complex, who've disfigured themselves. The wax lips really sends it home.' Obviously, the word 'genocide' is very strong and risks causing offence, given its proper meaning. To Curtis, however, it is accurate. 'I've used that word for a long time and I use it specifically because it's a strong word. I believe that we have wiped out a generation or two of natural human [appearance]. The concept that you can alter the way you look through chemicals, surgical procedures, fillers – there's a disfigurement of generations of predominantly women who are altering their appearances. And it is aided and abetted by AI, because now the filter face is what people want. I'm not filtered right now. The minute I lay a filter on and you see the before and after, it's hard not to go: 'Oh, well that looks better.' But what's better? Better is fake. And there are too many examples – I will not name them – but very recently we have had a big onslaught through media, many of those people.' Well, at the risk of sounding harsh, one of the people implicated by Curtis's criticism is Lindsay Lohan, her Freakier Friday co-star and a woman in her late 30s who has seemingly had a lot of cosmetic procedures at a startlingly young age (though Lohan denies having had surgery). In terms of mentoring Lohan, with whom Curtis remained friends after making the first film, she says: 'I'm bossy, very bossy, but I try to mind my own business. She doesn't need my advice. She's a fully functioning, smart woman, creative person. Privately, she's asked me questions, but nothing that's more than an older friend you might ask.' But given the stridency of Curtis's position on cosmetic surgery, don't younger women feel judged in her presence? Isn't it awkward? 'No. No. Because I don't care. It doesn't matter. I'm not proselytising to them. I would never say a word. I would never say to someone: what have you done? All I know is that it is a never-ending cycle. That, I know. Once you start, you can't stop. But it's not my job to give my opinion; it's none of my business.' As for Lohan, Curtis says: 'I felt tremendous maternal care for Lindsay after the first movie, and continued to feel that. When she'd come to LA, I would see her. She and I have remained friends, and now we're sort of colleagues. I feel less maternal towards her because she's a mommy now herself and doesn't need my maternal care, and has, obviously, a mom – Dina's a terrific grandma.' Sign up to Inside Saturday The only way to get a look behind the scenes of the Saturday magazine. Sign up to get the inside story from our top writers as well as all the must-read articles and columns, delivered to your inbox every weekend. after newsletter promotion The general point about the horror of trying to stay young via surgery is sensible and, of course, I agree. At the back of my mind, however, I have a small, pinging reservation that I can't quite put my finger on. I suggest to Curtis that she has natural advantages by virtue of being a movie star, which, on the one hand, of course, makes her more vulnerable around issues of ageing, but on the other hand, she's naturally beautiful and everyone loves her, and most average women who – 'I have short grey hair!' she protests. 'Other women can –' They can, of course! But you must have a physical confidence that falls outside the normal – 'No! No!' She won't have it. 'I feel like you're trying to say: 'You're in some rarefied air, Jamie.'' I'm not! She responds: 'By the way, genetics – you can't fuck with genetics. You want to know where my genetics lie?' She lifts up an arm and wobbles her bingo wings at me. 'Are you kidding me? By the way, you're not going to see a picture of me in a tank top, ever.' This is Curtis's red line. 'I wear long-sleeve shirts; that's just common sense.' She gives me a beady look. 'I challenge you that I'm in some rarefied air.' I think about this afterwards to try and clarify my objection, which I guess is this: that the main reason women in middle age dye their hair is to stave off invisibility, which, with the greatest respect, is not among the veteran movie star's problems. But it's a minor quibble given what I genuinely believe is Curtis's helpful and iconoclastic gesture. And when she talks about cosmetic surgery as addiction, she should know. Curtis was an alcoholic until she got sober at 40 and is emphatic and impressive on this subject, the current poster woman – literally: she's on signs across LA for an addiction charity with the tagline: 'My bravest thing? Getting sober'. I'm curious about how her intense need for control worked, in those years long ago, alongside her addiction? 'I am a controlled addict,' she says. 'In recovery we talk about how, in order to start recovering, you have to hit what you call a 'bottom'. You have to crash and burn, lose yourself and your family and your job and your resources in order to know that the way you were living didn't work. I refer to myself as an Everest bottom; I am the highest bottom I know. When I acknowledged my lack of control, I was in a very controlled state. I lost none of the external aspects of my life. The only thing I had lost was my own sense of myself and self-esteem.' Externally, during those years of addiction, she seemed to be doing very well. Her career boomed. She married Christopher Guest, the actor, screenwriter and director, and they have two children and have stayed married for more than 40 years. (There's no miracle to this. As Curtis puts it, wryly: 'It's just that we have chosen to stay married. And be married people. And we love each other. And I believe we respect each other. And I'm sure there's a little bit of hatred in there, too.') I wonder, then, whether Curtis's success during those years disguised how serious a situation she was in with her addiction? 'There's no one way to be an addict or an alcoholic. People hide things – I was lucky, and I am ambitious, and so I never let that self-medication get in the way of my ambition or work or creativity. It never bled through. No one would ever have said that had been an issue for me.' Where was the cost? 'The external costs are awful for people; but the internal costs are more sinister and deadly, because to understand that you are powerless over something other than your own mind and creativity is something. But that was a long time ago. I'm an old lady now.' She is doing better than ever. With the Oscar under her belt, Curtis has just returned in the new season of The Bear and has a slew of projects – many developed with Jason Blum, the veteran horror producer with whom she has a development deal – coming down the line. Watching her bravura performance as Donna Berzatto, I did wonder if playing an alcoholic had been in any way traumatic. She flashes me a look of pure vehemence. 'Here's what's traumatic: not being able to express your range as an artist. That's traumatic. To spend your entire public life holding back range. And depth. And complexity. And contradiction. And rage. And pain. And sorrow.' She builds momentum: 'And to have been limited to a much smaller palette of creative, emotional work. 'For me, it was an unleashing of 50 years of being a performer who was never considered to have any range. And so the freedom, and the confidence, that I was given by Chris [Storer, the show's creator], and the writing, which leads you … everywhere you need to go – it was exhilarating.' She continues: 'It took no toll. The toll has been 40 years of holding back something I know is here.' Well, there she is, the Curtis who thrills and inspires. Among the many new projects is The Lost Bus, a survival disaster movie for AppleTV+ about a bus full of children trying to escape wildfires. The idea came to Curtis while she was driving on the freeway, listening to an NPR report on the deadly wildfires of 2018 in the small town of Paradise, California. She pulled over and called Blum; the movie, directed by Paul Greengrass and starring Matthew McConaughey and America Ferrera, drops later this year. For another project, she managed to persuade Patricia Cornwell, the superstar thriller writer, to release the rights for her Scarpetta series, which, as well as producing, Curtis will star in alongside Nicole Kidman. This burst of activity is something Curtis ascribes to the 'freedom' she derived from losing 'all vanity', and over the course of our conversation 'freedom' is the word she most frequently uses to describe what she values in life. Freedom is a particularly loaded and precious concept for those on the other side of addiction and, says Curtis, 'I have dead relatives; I have parents who both had issues with drinking and drugs. I have a dead sibling. I have numerous friends who never found the freedom, which is really the goal – right? Freedom.' It's a principle that also extends to her family. Curtis's daughter Ruby, 29, is trans, and I ask how insulated they are from Donald Trump's aggressively anti-trans policies. 'I want to be careful because I protect my family,' says Curtis. 'I'm an outspoken advocate for the right of human beings to be who they are. And if a governmental organisation tries to claim they're not allowed to be who they are, I will fight against that. I'm a John Steinbeck student – he's my favourite writer – and there's a beautiful piece of writing from East of Eden about the freedom of people to be who they are. Any government, religion, institution trying to limit that freedom is what I need to fight against.' There are many, many other subjects to cycle through, including Curtis's friendship with Mariska Hargitay, whose new documentary about her mother, Jayne Mansfield, hit Curtis particularly hard, not least because 'Jayne's house was next to Tony Curtis's house – that big pink house on Carolwood Drive that Tony Curtis lived in and Sonny and Cher owned prior to him.' (I don't know if referring to her dad as 'Tony Curtis,' is intended to charm, but it does.) There's also a school reunion she went to over a decade ago; the feeling she has of being 'a 14-year-old energy bunny'; the fact we've been pronouncing 'Everest' wrong all this time; the role played by lyrics from Justin Timberlake's Like I Love You in her friendship with Lindsay Lohan; and the 'Gordian knot' of what happens when not being a brand becomes your brand. Curtis could, one suspects, summon an infinite stream of enthusiasms and – perhaps no better advertisement for ageing, this – share urgent thoughts about every last one of them. In an industry in which people weigh their words, veil their opinions and pander to every passing ideal, she has gone in a different direction, one unrestrained by the usual timidities. Or as she puts it with her typical take-it-or-leave-it flatness, 'the freedom to have my own mind, wherever it's going to take me. I'm comfortable with that journey and reject the rest.' Freakier Friday is in Australian cinemas from 7 August and from 8 August in the UK and US Jamie Lee Curtis wears: (leopard look) jacket and skirt, by Rixo; T-shirt and belt, both by AllSaints; boots, by Dr Martens; tights, by Wolford; (tartan look) suit, by Vivienne Westwood, from tights, by Wolford; shoes, by By Far. Fashion stylist: Avigail Collins at Forward Artists. Set stylist: Stefania Lucchesi at Saint Luke Artists. Hair: Sean James at Aim Artists. Makeup: Erin Ayanian Monroe at Cloutier Remix.
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‘Generations of women have been disfigured': Jamie Lee Curtis lets rip on plastic surgery, power, and Hollywood's age problem
I'm scheduled to speak to Jamie Lee Curtis at 2pm UK time, and a few minutes before the allotted slot I dial in via video link, to be met with a vision of the 66-year-old actor sitting alone in a darkened room, staring impassively into the camera. 'Morning,' she says, with comic flatness, as I make a sound of surprise that is definitely not a little scream. Oh, hi!! I say, Are you early or am I late? 'I'm always early,' says the actor, deadpan. 'Or as my elder daughter refers to me, 'aggressively early'.' Curtis is in a plain black top, heavy black-framed glasses and – importantly for this conversation – little or no makeup, while behind her in the gloom, a dog sleeps in a basket. She won't say what part of the US she's in beyond the fact it's a 'witness protection cabin in the woods' where 'I'm trying to have privacy' – an arch way, I assume, of saying she's not in LA – and immediately starts itemising other situations in which she has been known to be early: Hollywood premieres ('They tell me I can't go to the red carpet yet because it's not open and so my driver, Cal, and I drive around and park in the shade'); early-morning text messages ('I wake people up'); even her work schedule: 'I show up, do the work, and then I get the fuck out.' This is the short version; in full, the opening minutes of our conversation involve Curtis free-associating through references to the memory of her mother and stepfather missing her performance in a school musical in Connecticut; the negotiating aims of the makeup artists' union; the nickname by which she would like to be known if she ever becomes a grandmother ('Fifo' – short for 'first in first out'); and what, exactly, her earliness is about. Not, as you might imagine, anxiety, but: 'You know, honestly, I've done enough analysis of all this – it's control.' Curtis knows her early arrivals strike some people as rude. 'My daughter Annie says: 'People aren't ready for you.' And I basically say: 'Well, that's their problem. They should be ready.'' 'That's their problem' is, along with, 'I don't give a shit any more' a classic Curtis expression that goes a long way towards explaining why so many people love her – and they really do love her – a woman who on top of charming us for decades in a clutch of iconic roles, has crossed over, lately, into that paradoxical territory in which she is loved precisely because she's done worrying about what others think of her. Specifically, she doesn't care about the orthodoxies of an industry in which women are shamed into having cosmetic surgery before they hit 30. Curtis has spoken of having a procedure herself at 25, following a comment made on the set of a film that her eyes were 'baggy'. Regretting it, she has in the years since made the genuinely outlandish and inspiring decision to wear her hair grey and eschew surgical tweaks. That Curtis is the child of two Hollywood icons, Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh, and thus an insider since birth, either makes this more surprising or else explains it entirely, but either way, she has become someone who appears to operate outside the usual Hollywood rules. 'I have become quite brusque,' says Curtis, of people making demands on her time when she's not open for business. 'And I have no problem saying: 'Back the fuck off.'' I have become quite brusque, and I have no problem saying: Back off! I can believe it. During the course of our conversation, Curtis's attitude – which is broadly charming, occasionally hectoring and appears to be driven by a general and sardonic belligerence – is that of someone pushing back against a lifetime of misconceptions, from which, four months shy of her 67th birthday, she finally feels herself to be free. Curtis is in a glorious phase of her career, one that, despite starring in huge hits – from the Halloween franchise and A Fish Called Wanda (1988) to Trading Places (1983), True Lies (1994) and the superlative Knives Out (2019) – has always eluded her. The fact is, celebrity aside, Curtis has never been considered a particularly heavyweight actor or been A-list in the conventional way. At its most trivial, this has required her to weather small slights, such as being ignored by the Women In Film community, with its tedious schedule of panels and events. ('I still exist outside of Women In Film,' she snaps. 'They're not asking me to their lunch.') And, more broadly, has seen Curtis completely overlooked by the Oscars since she shot Halloween, her first movie, at the age of 19. Well, all that has changed now. In 2023, Curtis won an Oscar for best supporting actress for her role as Deirdre Beaubeirdre in the genre-bending movie Everything Everywhere All at Once. That same year, she appeared in a single episode of the multi-award-winning TV show The Bear as Donna Berzatto, the alcoholic mother of a large Italian clan – she calls it 'the most exhilarating creative experience I will ever have'. Anyone who saw this extraordinary performance is still talking about it, and it led to a larger role on the show. Doors that had always been shut to Curtis flew open. For years, she had tried and failed to get movie and TV projects off the ground. Now, she lists the forthcoming projects she had a hand in bringing to the screen: 'Freakier Friday, TV series Scarpetta, survival movie The Lost Bus, four other TV shows and two other movies.' She has become a 'prolific producer', she says, as well as a Hollywood elder and role model. All of which makes Curtis laugh – the fact that, finally, 'at 66, I get to be a boss'. You'd better believe she'll be making the most of it. * * * The movie Curtis and I are ostensibly here to talk about is Freakier Friday, the follow-up to Freaky Friday, the monster Disney hit of 2003 in which Curtis and Lindsay Lohan appeared as a mother and daughter who switch bodies with hilarious consequences. I defy anyone who enjoyed the first film not to feel both infinitely aged by revisiting the cast more than 20 years on, and also not to find it a wildly enjoyable return. The teenage Lohan of the first movie is now a 37-year-old mother of 15-year-old Harper, played by Julia Butters, while the introduction of a second teenager – Harper's mortal enemy Lily, played by Sophia Hammons – allows for a four-way body swap in which Curtis-as-grandma is inhabited by Hammons' British wannabe influencer. If it lacks the simplicity of the first movie, I thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to taking my 10-year-old girls when it opens next month. I witnessed my parents lose the very thing that gave them their fame and their life and their livelihood, when the industry rejected them at a certain age It is also a movie that presented Curtis with an odd set of challenges. She has a problem with 'pretty'. When Curtis herself was a teenager, she says, she was 'cute but not pretty'. She watched both her parents' careers atrophy after their youthful good looks started to wane. Part of her shtick around earliness is an almost existential refusal to live on Hollywood's timeline, because, she says: 'I witnessed my parents lose the very thing that gave them their fame and their life and their livelihood, when the industry rejected them at a certain age. I watched them reach incredible success and then have it slowly erode to where it was gone. And that's very painful.' As a result, says Curtis: 'I have been self-retiring for 30 years. I have been prepping to get out, so that I don't have to suffer the same as my family did. I want to leave the party before I'm no longer invited.' In the movie, Curtis was allowed to keep her grey hair (although it looks shot through with blond) but her trademark pixie cut was replaced with something longer and softer. I take it with a pinch when she says things such as, 'I'm an old lady' and, 'I'm going to die soon' – even in age-hating Hollywood, this seems overegged – but one takes the point that she found the conventional aesthetic demands of Freakier Friday, in which she 'had to look pretty, I had to pay attention to [flattering] lighting, and clothes and hair and makeup and nails', much harder than playing a dishevelled alcoholic in The Bear. On the other hand, Curtis is a pro and, of course, gave Disney the full-throated, zany-but-still-kinda-hot grandma they wanted. (There is a scene in which she tries to explain various board games – Boggle, Parcheesi – to the owl-eyed teens that reminds you just how fine a comic actor she is.) It's the story of how Freakier Friday came about, however, that really gives insight into who Curtis is: an absolute, indefatigable and inveterate hustler. 'I am owning my hustle, now,' she says and is at her most impressive, her most charming and energised when she is talking about the hustle. To wit: Curtis was on a world tour promoting the Halloween franchise that made her name and that enjoyed a hugely successful reboot in 2018, when something about the crowd response struck her. 'In every single city I went to, the only movie they asked me about besides Halloween was Freaky Friday – was there going to be a sequel?' When she got back from the tour, she called Bob Iger, Disney's CEO. 'I said: 'Look, I don't know if you're planning on doing [a sequel], but Lindsay is old enough to have a teenager now, and I'm telling you the market for that movie exists.'' As the project came together, Curtis learned that Disney was planning to release Freakier Friday straight to streaming. 'And I called Bob Iger' – it's at this point you start to imagine Iger seeing Curtis's name flash up on his phone and experiencing a slight drop in spirits – 'and I called David Greenbaum [Disney Live Action president], and I called Asad Ayaz, who's the head of marketing, and I said: 'Guys, I have one word for you: Barbie. If you don't think the audience that saw Barbie is going to be the audience that goes and sees Freakier Friday, you're wrong.'' This is what Curtis means when she refers to herself as 'a marketing person', or 'a weapon of mass promotion', and she has done it for ever. It's what she did in 2002 when she lobbied More magazine to let her pose in her underwear and no makeup – 'They didn't come to me and say: 'Hey Jamie, how about you take off your clothes and show America that you're chubby?' The More magazine thing happened because I said it should happen, and I even titled the piece: True Thighs.' And it is what she was doing a few weeks before our interview when she turned up to the photoshoot in LA bearing a bunch of props she had ordered from Amazon, including oversized plastic lips and a blond wig. Curtis says: 'There are many, many actresses who love the dress up, who love clothes, who love fashion, who love being a model. I. Hate. It. I feel like I am having to wrestle with your idea of me versus my idea of me. Because I've worked hard to establish who I am, and I don't want you to … I have struggled with it my whole life.' Curtis is emphatic that her ideas be accurately interpreted and, before our meeting, sent an email via her publicist explaining her thinking behind the shoot. 'The wax lips is my statement against plastic surgery. I've been very vocal about the genocide of a generation of women by the cosmeceutical industrial complex, who've disfigured themselves. The wax lips really sends it home.' Obviously, the word 'genocide' is very strong and risks causing offence, given its proper meaning. To Curtis, however, it is accurate. 'I've used that word for a long time and I use it specifically because it's a strong word. I believe that we have wiped out a generation or two of natural human [appearance]. The concept that you can alter the way you look through chemicals, surgical procedures, fillers – there's a disfigurement of generations of predominantly women who are altering their appearances. And it is aided and abetted by AI, because now the filter face is what people want. I'm not filtered right now. The minute I lay a filter on and you see the before and after, it's hard not to go: 'Oh, well that looks better.' But what's better? Better is fake. And there are too many examples – I will not name them – but very recently we have had a big onslaught through media, many of those people.' Well, at the risk of sounding harsh, one of the people implicated by Curtis's criticism is Lindsay Lohan, her Freakier Friday co-star and a woman in her late 30s who has seemingly had a lot of cosmetic procedures at a startlingly young age (though Lohan denies having had surgery). In terms of mentoring Lohan, with whom Curtis remained friends after making the first film, she says: 'I'm bossy, very bossy, but I try to mind my own business. She doesn't need my advice. She's a fully functioning, smart woman, creative person. Privately, she's asked me questions, but nothing that's more than an older friend you might ask.' But given the stridency of Curtis's position on cosmetic surgery, don't younger women feel judged in her presence? Isn't it awkward? 'No. No. Because I don't care. It doesn't matter. I'm not proselytising to them. I would never say a word. I would never say to someone: what have you done? All I know is that it is a never-ending cycle. That, I know. Once you start, you can't stop. But it's not my job to give my opinion; it's none of my business.' As for Lohan, Curtis says: 'I felt tremendous maternal care for Lindsay after the first movie, and continued to feel that. When she'd come to LA, I would see her. She and I have remained friends, and now we're sort of colleagues. I feel less maternal towards her because she's a mommy now herself and doesn't need my maternal care, and has, obviously, a mom – Dina's a terrific grandma.' The general point about the horror of trying to stay young via surgery is sensible and, of course, I agree. At the back of my mind, however, I have a small, pinging reservation that I can't quite put my finger on. I suggest to Curtis that she has natural advantages by virtue of being a movie star, which, on the one hand, of course, makes her more vulnerable around issues of ageing, but on the other hand, she's naturally beautiful and everyone loves her, and most average women who – 'I have short grey hair!' she protests. 'Other women can –' They can, of course! But you must have a physical confidence that falls outside the normal – 'No! No!' She won't have it. 'I feel like you're trying to say: 'You're in some rarefied air, Jamie.'' I'm not! She responds: 'By the way, genetics – you can't fuck with genetics. You want to know where my genetics lie?' She lifts up an arm and wobbles her bingo wings at me. 'Are you kidding me? By the way, you're not going to see a picture of me in a tank top, ever.' This is Curtis's red line. 'I wear long-sleeve shirts; that's just common sense.' She gives me a beady look. 'I challenge you that I'm in some rarefied air.' I think about this afterwards to try and clarify my objection, which I guess is this: that the main reason women in middle age dye their hair is to stave off invisibility, which, with the greatest respect, is not among the veteran movie star's problems. But it's a minor quibble given what I genuinely believe is Curtis's helpful and iconoclastic gesture. And when she talks about cosmetic surgery as addiction, she should know. Curtis was an alcoholic until she got sober at 40 and is emphatic and impressive on this subject, the current poster woman – literally: she's on signs across LA for an addiction charity with the tagline: 'My bravest thing? Getting sober'. I'm curious about how her intense need for control worked, in those years long ago, alongside her addiction? 'I am a controlled addict,' she says. 'In recovery we talk about how, in order to start recovering, you have to hit what you call a 'bottom'. You have to crash and burn, lose yourself and your family and your job and your resources in order to know that the way you were living didn't work. I refer to myself as an Everest bottom; I am the highest bottom I know. When I acknowledged my lack of control, I was in a very controlled state. I lost none of the external aspects of my life. The only thing I had lost was my own sense of myself and self-esteem.' Externally, during those years of addiction, she seemed to be doing very well. Her career boomed. She married Christopher Guest, the actor, screenwriter and director, and they have two children and have stayed married for more than 40 years. (There's no miracle to this. As Curtis puts it, wryly: 'It's just that we have chosen to stay married. And be married people. And we love each other. And I believe we respect each other. And I'm sure there's a little bit of hatred in there, too.') I wonder, then, whether Curtis's success during those years disguised how serious a situation she was in with her addiction? 'There's no one way to be an addict or an alcoholic. People hide things – I was lucky, and I am ambitious, and so I never let that self-medication get in the way of my ambition or work or creativity. It never bled through. No one would ever have said that had been an issue for me.' Where was the cost? 'The external costs are awful for people; but the internal costs are more sinister and deadly, because to understand that you are powerless over something other than your own mind and creativity is something. But that was a long time ago. I'm an old lady now.' She is doing better than ever. With the Oscar under her belt, Curtis has just returned in the new season of The Bear and has a slew of projects – many developed with Jason Blum, the veteran horror producer with whom she has a development deal – coming down the line. Watching her bravura performance as Donna Berzatto, I did wonder if playing an alcoholic had been in any way traumatic. She flashes me a look of pure vehemence. 'Here's what's traumatic: not being able to express your range as an artist. That's traumatic. To spend your entire public life holding back range. And depth. And complexity. And contradiction. And rage. And pain. And sorrow.' She builds momentum: 'And to have been limited to a much smaller palette of creative, emotional work. 'For me, it was an unleashing of 50 years of being a performer who was never considered to have any range. And so the freedom, and the confidence, that I was given by Chris [Storer, the show's creator], and the writing, which leads you … everywhere you need to go – it was exhilarating.' She continues: 'It took no toll. The toll has been 40 years of holding back something I know is here.' Well, there she is, the Curtis who thrills and inspires. Among the many new projects is The Lost Bus, a survival disaster movie for AppleTV+ about a bus full of children trying to escape wildfires. The idea came to Curtis while she was driving on the freeway, listening to an NPR report on the deadly wildfires of 2018 in the small town of Paradise, California. She pulled over and called Blum; the movie, directed by Paul Greengrass and starring Matthew McConaughey and America Ferrera, drops later this year. For another project, she managed to persuade Patricia Cornwell, the superstar thriller writer, to release the rights for her Scarpetta series, which, as well as producing, Curtis will star in alongside Nicole Kidman. This burst of activity is something Curtis ascribes to the 'freedom' she derived from losing 'all vanity', and over the course of our conversation 'freedom' is the word she most frequently uses to describe what she values in life. Freedom is a particularly loaded and precious concept for those on the other side of addiction and, says Curtis, 'I have dead relatives; I have parents who both had issues with drinking and drugs. I have a dead sibling. I have numerous friends who never found the freedom, which is really the goal – right? Freedom.' It's a principle that also extends to her family. Curtis's daughter Ruby, 29, is trans, and I ask how insulated they are from Donald Trump's aggressively anti-trans policies. 'I want to be careful because I protect my family,' says Curtis. 'I'm an outspoken advocate for the right of human beings to be who they are. And if a governmental organisation tries to claim they're not allowed to be who they are, I will fight against that. I'm a John Steinbeck student – he's my favourite writer – and there's a beautiful piece of writing from East of Eden about the freedom of people to be who they are. Any government, religion, institution trying to limit that freedom is what I need to fight against.' There are many, many other subjects to cycle through, including Curtis's friendship with Mariska Hargitay, whose new documentary about her mother, Jayne Mansfield, hit Curtis particularly hard, not least because 'Jayne's house was next to Tony Curtis's house – that big pink house on Carolwood Drive that Tony Curtis lived in and Sonny and Cher owned prior to him.' (I don't know if referring to her dad as 'Tony Curtis,' is intended to charm, but it does.) There's also a school reunion she went to over a decade ago; the feeling she has of being 'a 14-year-old energy bunny'; the fact we've been pronouncing 'Everest' wrong all this time; the role played by lyrics from Justin Timberlake's Like I Love You in her friendship with Lindsay Lohan; and the 'Gordian knot' of what happens when not being a brand becomes your brand. Curtis could, one suspects, summon an infinite stream of enthusiasms and – perhaps no better advertisement for ageing, this – share urgent thoughts about every last one of them. In an industry in which people weigh their words, veil their opinions and pander to every passing ideal, she has gone in a different direction, one unrestrained by the usual timidities. Or as she puts it with her typical take-it-or-leave-it flatness, 'the freedom to have my own mind, wherever it's going to take me. I'm comfortable with that journey and reject the rest.' • Freakier Friday is in Australian cinemas from 7 August and from 8 August in the UK and US • Jamie Lee Curtis wears: (leopard look) jacket and skirt, by Rixo; T-shirt and belt, both by AllSaints; boots, by Dr Martens; tights, by Wolford; (tartan look) suit, by Vivienne Westwood, from tights, by Wolford; shoes, by By Far. Fashion stylist: Avigail Collins at Forward Artists. Set stylist: Stefania Lucchesi at Saint Luke Artists. Hair: Sean James at Aim Artists. Makeup: Erin Ayanian Monroe at Cloutier Remix.
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‘Generations of women have been disfigured': Jamie Lee Curtis lets rip on plastic surgery, power, and Hollywood's age problem
I'm scheduled to speak to Jamie Lee Curtis at 2pm UK time, and a few minutes before the allotted slot I dial in via video link, to be met with a vision of the 66-year-old actor sitting alone in a darkened room, staring impassively into the camera. 'Morning,' she says, with comic flatness, as I make a sound of surprise that is definitely not a little scream. Oh, hi!! I say, Are you early or am I late? 'I'm always early,' says the actor, deadpan. 'Or as my elder daughter refers to me, 'aggressively early'.' Curtis is in a plain black top, heavy black-framed glasses and – importantly for this conversation – little or no makeup, while behind her in the gloom, a dog sleeps in a basket. She won't say what part of the US she's in beyond the fact it's a 'witness protection cabin in the woods' where 'I'm trying to have privacy' – an arch way, I assume, of saying she's not in LA – and immediately starts itemising other situations in which she has been known to be early: Hollywood premieres ('They tell me I can't go to the red carpet yet because it's not open and so my driver, Cal, and I drive around and park in the shade'); early-morning text messages ('I wake people up'); even her work schedule: 'I show up, do the work, and then I get the fuck out.' This is the short version; in full, the opening minutes of our conversation involve Curtis free-associating through references to the memory of her mother and stepfather missing her performance in a school musical in Connecticut; the negotiating aims of the makeup artists' union; the nickname by which she would like to be known if she ever becomes a grandmother ('Fifo' – short for 'first in first out'); and what, exactly, her earliness is about. Not, as you might imagine, anxiety, but: 'You know, honestly, I've done enough analysis of all this – it's control.' Curtis knows her early arrivals strike some people as rude. 'My daughter Annie says: 'People aren't ready for you.' And I basically say: 'Well, that's their problem. They should be ready.'' 'That's their problem' is, along with, 'I don't give a shit any more' a classic Curtis expression that goes a long way towards explaining why so many people love her – and they really do love her – a woman who on top of charming us for decades in a clutch of iconic roles, has crossed over, lately, into that paradoxical territory in which she is loved precisely because she's done worrying about what others think of her. Specifically, she doesn't care about the orthodoxies of an industry in which women are shamed into having cosmetic surgery before they hit 30. Curtis has spoken of having a procedure herself at 25, following a comment made on the set of a film that her eyes were 'baggy'. Regretting it, she has in the years since made the genuinely outlandish and inspiring decision to wear her hair grey and eschew surgical tweaks. That Curtis is the child of two Hollywood icons, Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh, and thus an insider since birth, either makes this more surprising or else explains it entirely, but either way, she has become someone who appears to operate outside the usual Hollywood rules. 'I have become quite brusque,' says Curtis, of people making demands on her time when she's not open for business. 'And I have no problem saying: 'Back the fuck off.'' I have become quite brusque, and I have no problem saying: Back off! I can believe it. During the course of our conversation, Curtis's attitude – which is broadly charming, occasionally hectoring and appears to be driven by a general and sardonic belligerence – is that of someone pushing back against a lifetime of misconceptions, from which, four months shy of her 67th birthday, she finally feels herself to be free. Curtis is in a glorious phase of her career, one that, despite starring in huge hits – from the Halloween franchise and A Fish Called Wanda (1988) to Trading Places (1983), True Lies (1994) and the superlative Knives Out (2019) – has always eluded her. The fact is, celebrity aside, Curtis has never been considered a particularly heavyweight actor or been A-list in the conventional way. At its most trivial, this has required her to weather small slights, such as being ignored by the Women In Film community, with its tedious schedule of panels and events. ('I still exist outside of Women In Film,' she snaps. 'They're not asking me to their lunch.') And, more broadly, has seen Curtis completely overlooked by the Oscars since she shot Halloween, her first movie, at the age of 19. Well, all that has changed now. In 2023, Curtis won an Oscar for best supporting actress for her role as Deirdre Beaubeirdre in the genre-bending movie Everything Everywhere All at Once. That same year, she appeared in a single episode of the multi-award-winning TV show The Bear as Donna Berzatto, the alcoholic mother of a large Italian clan – she calls it 'the most exhilarating creative experience I will ever have'. Anyone who saw this extraordinary performance is still talking about it, and it led to a larger role on the show. Doors that had always been shut to Curtis flew open. For years, she had tried and failed to get movie and TV projects off the ground. Now, she lists the forthcoming projects she had a hand in bringing to the screen: 'Freakier Friday, TV series Scarpetta, survival movie The Lost Bus, four other TV shows and two other movies.' She has become a 'prolific producer', she says, as well as a Hollywood elder and role model. All of which makes Curtis laugh – the fact that, finally, 'at 66, I get to be a boss'. You'd better believe she'll be making the most of it. * * * The movie Curtis and I are ostensibly here to talk about is Freakier Friday, the follow-up to Freaky Friday, the monster Disney hit of 2003 in which Curtis and Lindsay Lohan appeared as a mother and daughter who switch bodies with hilarious consequences. I defy anyone who enjoyed the first film not to feel both infinitely aged by revisiting the cast more than 20 years on, and also not to find it a wildly enjoyable return. The teenage Lohan of the first movie is now a 37-year-old mother of 15-year-old Harper, played by Julia Butters, while the introduction of a second teenager – Harper's mortal enemy Lily, played by Sophia Hammons – allows for a four-way body swap in which Curtis-as-grandma is inhabited by Hammons' British wannabe influencer. If it lacks the simplicity of the first movie, I thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to taking my 10-year-old girls when it opens next month. I witnessed my parents lose the very thing that gave them their fame and their life and their livelihood, when the industry rejected them at a certain age It is also a movie that presented Curtis with an odd set of challenges. She has a problem with 'pretty'. When Curtis herself was a teenager, she says, she was 'cute but not pretty'. She watched both her parents' careers atrophy after their youthful good looks started to wane. Part of her shtick around earliness is an almost existential refusal to live on Hollywood's timeline, because, she says: 'I witnessed my parents lose the very thing that gave them their fame and their life and their livelihood, when the industry rejected them at a certain age. I watched them reach incredible success and then have it slowly erode to where it was gone. And that's very painful.' As a result, says Curtis: 'I have been self-retiring for 30 years. I have been prepping to get out, so that I don't have to suffer the same as my family did. I want to leave the party before I'm no longer invited.' In the movie, Curtis was allowed to keep her grey hair (although it looks shot through with blond) but her trademark pixie cut was replaced with something longer and softer. I take it with a pinch when she says things such as, 'I'm an old lady' and, 'I'm going to die soon' – even in age-hating Hollywood, this seems overegged – but one takes the point that she found the conventional aesthetic demands of Freakier Friday, in which she 'had to look pretty, I had to pay attention to [flattering] lighting, and clothes and hair and makeup and nails', much harder than playing a dishevelled alcoholic in The Bear. On the other hand, Curtis is a pro and, of course, gave Disney the full-throated, zany-but-still-kinda-hot grandma they wanted. (There is a scene in which she tries to explain various board games – Boggle, Parcheesi – to the owl-eyed teens that reminds you just how fine a comic actor she is.) It's the story of how Freakier Friday came about, however, that really gives insight into who Curtis is: an absolute, indefatigable and inveterate hustler. 'I am owning my hustle, now,' she says and is at her most impressive, her most charming and energised when she is talking about the hustle. To wit: Curtis was on a world tour promoting the Halloween franchise that made her name and that enjoyed a hugely successful reboot in 2018, when something about the crowd response struck her. 'In every single city I went to, the only movie they asked me about besides Halloween was Freaky Friday – was there going to be a sequel?' When she got back from the tour, she called Bob Iger, Disney's CEO. 'I said: 'Look, I don't know if you're planning on doing [a sequel], but Lindsay is old enough to have a teenager now, and I'm telling you the market for that movie exists.'' As the project came together, Curtis learned that Disney was planning to release Freakier Friday straight to streaming. 'And I called Bob Iger' – it's at this point you start to imagine Iger seeing Curtis's name flash up on his phone and experiencing a slight drop in spirits – 'and I called David Greenbaum [Disney Live Action president], and I called Asad Ayaz, who's the head of marketing, and I said: 'Guys, I have one word for you: Barbie. If you don't think the audience that saw Barbie is going to be the audience that goes and sees Freakier Friday, you're wrong.'' This is what Curtis means when she refers to herself as 'a marketing person', or 'a weapon of mass promotion', and she has done it for ever. It's what she did in 2002 when she lobbied More magazine to let her pose in her underwear and no makeup – 'They didn't come to me and say: 'Hey Jamie, how about you take off your clothes and show America that you're chubby?' The More magazine thing happened because I said it should happen, and I even titled the piece: True Thighs.' And it is what she was doing a few weeks before our interview when she turned up to the photoshoot in LA bearing a bunch of props she had ordered from Amazon, including oversized plastic lips and a blond wig. Curtis says: 'There are many, many actresses who love the dress up, who love clothes, who love fashion, who love being a model. I. Hate. It. I feel like I am having to wrestle with your idea of me versus my idea of me. Because I've worked hard to establish who I am, and I don't want you to … I have struggled with it my whole life.' Curtis is emphatic that her ideas be accurately interpreted and, before our meeting, sent an email via her publicist explaining her thinking behind the shoot. 'The wax lips is my statement against plastic surgery. I've been very vocal about the genocide of a generation of women by the cosmeceutical industrial complex, who've disfigured themselves. The wax lips really sends it home.' Obviously, the word 'genocide' is very strong and risks causing offence, given its proper meaning. To Curtis, however, it is accurate. 'I've used that word for a long time and I use it specifically because it's a strong word. I believe that we have wiped out a generation or two of natural human [appearance]. The concept that you can alter the way you look through chemicals, surgical procedures, fillers – there's a disfigurement of generations of predominantly women who are altering their appearances. And it is aided and abetted by AI, because now the filter face is what people want. I'm not filtered right now. The minute I lay a filter on and you see the before and after, it's hard not to go: 'Oh, well that looks better.' But what's better? Better is fake. And there are too many examples – I will not name them – but very recently we have had a big onslaught through media, many of those people.' Well, at the risk of sounding harsh, one of the people implicated by Curtis's criticism is Lindsay Lohan, her Freakier Friday co-star and a woman in her late 30s who has seemingly had a lot of cosmetic procedures at a startlingly young age (though Lohan denies having had surgery). In terms of mentoring Lohan, with whom Curtis remained friends after making the first film, she says: 'I'm bossy, very bossy, but I try to mind my own business. She doesn't need my advice. She's a fully functioning, smart woman, creative person. Privately, she's asked me questions, but nothing that's more than an older friend you might ask.' But given the stridency of Curtis's position on cosmetic surgery, don't younger women feel judged in her presence? Isn't it awkward? 'No. No. Because I don't care. It doesn't matter. I'm not proselytising to them. I would never say a word. I would never say to someone: what have you done? All I know is that it is a never-ending cycle. That, I know. Once you start, you can't stop. But it's not my job to give my opinion; it's none of my business.' As for Lohan, Curtis says: 'I felt tremendous maternal care for Lindsay after the first movie, and continued to feel that. When she'd come to LA, I would see her. She and I have remained friends, and now we're sort of colleagues. I feel less maternal towards her because she's a mommy now herself and doesn't need my maternal care, and has, obviously, a mom – Dina's a terrific grandma.' The general point about the horror of trying to stay young via surgery is sensible and, of course, I agree. At the back of my mind, however, I have a small, pinging reservation that I can't quite put my finger on. I suggest to Curtis that she has natural advantages by virtue of being a movie star, which, on the one hand, of course, makes her more vulnerable around issues of ageing, but on the other hand, she's naturally beautiful and everyone loves her, and most average women who – 'I have short grey hair!' she protests. 'Other women can –' They can, of course! But you must have a physical confidence that falls outside the normal – 'No! No!' She won't have it. 'I feel like you're trying to say: 'You're in some rarefied air, Jamie.'' I'm not! She responds: 'By the way, genetics – you can't fuck with genetics. You want to know where my genetics lie?' She lifts up an arm and wobbles her bingo wings at me. 'Are you kidding me? By the way, you're not going to see a picture of me in a tank top, ever.' This is Curtis's red line. 'I wear long-sleeve shirts; that's just common sense.' She gives me a beady look. 'I challenge you that I'm in some rarefied air.' I think about this afterwards to try and clarify my objection, which I guess is this: that the main reason women in middle age dye their hair is to stave off invisibility, which, with the greatest respect, is not among the veteran movie star's problems. But it's a minor quibble given what I genuinely believe is Curtis's helpful and iconoclastic gesture. And when she talks about cosmetic surgery as addiction, she should know. Curtis was an alcoholic until she got sober at 40 and is emphatic and impressive on this subject, the current poster woman – literally: she's on signs across LA for an addiction charity with the tagline: 'My bravest thing? Getting sober'. I'm curious about how her intense need for control worked, in those years long ago, alongside her addiction? 'I am a controlled addict,' she says. 'In recovery we talk about how, in order to start recovering, you have to hit what you call a 'bottom'. You have to crash and burn, lose yourself and your family and your job and your resources in order to know that the way you were living didn't work. I refer to myself as an Everest bottom; I am the highest bottom I know. When I acknowledged my lack of control, I was in a very controlled state. I lost none of the external aspects of my life. The only thing I had lost was my own sense of myself and self-esteem.' Externally, during those years of addiction, she seemed to be doing very well. Her career boomed. She married Christopher Guest, the actor, screenwriter and director, and they have two children and have stayed married for more than 40 years. (There's no miracle to this. As Curtis puts it, wryly: 'It's just that we have chosen to stay married. And be married people. And we love each other. And I believe we respect each other. And I'm sure there's a little bit of hatred in there, too.') I wonder, then, whether Curtis's success during those years disguised how serious a situation she was in with her addiction? 'There's no one way to be an addict or an alcoholic. People hide things – I was lucky, and I am ambitious, and so I never let that self-medication get in the way of my ambition or work or creativity. It never bled through. No one would ever have said that had been an issue for me.' Where was the cost? 'The external costs are awful for people; but the internal costs are more sinister and deadly, because to understand that you are powerless over something other than your own mind and creativity is something. But that was a long time ago. I'm an old lady now.' She is doing better than ever. With the Oscar under her belt, Curtis has just returned in the new season of The Bear and has a slew of projects – many developed with Jason Blum, the veteran horror producer with whom she has a development deal – coming down the line. Watching her bravura performance as Donna Berzatto, I did wonder if playing an alcoholic had been in any way traumatic. She flashes me a look of pure vehemence. 'Here's what's traumatic: not being able to express your range as an artist. That's traumatic. To spend your entire public life holding back range. And depth. And complexity. And contradiction. And rage. And pain. And sorrow.' She builds momentum: 'And to have been limited to a much smaller palette of creative, emotional work. 'For me, it was an unleashing of 50 years of being a performer who was never considered to have any range. And so the freedom, and the confidence, that I was given by Chris [Storer, the show's creator], and the writing, which leads you … everywhere you need to go – it was exhilarating.' She continues: 'It took no toll. The toll has been 40 years of holding back something I know is here.' Well, there she is, the Curtis who thrills and inspires. Among the many new projects is The Lost Bus, a survival disaster movie for AppleTV+ about a bus full of children trying to escape wildfires. The idea came to Curtis while she was driving on the freeway, listening to an NPR report on the deadly wildfires of 2018 in the small town of Paradise, California. She pulled over and called Blum; the movie, directed by Paul Greengrass and starring Matthew McConaughey and America Ferrera, drops later this year. For another project, she managed to persuade Patricia Cornwell, the superstar thriller writer, to release the rights for her Scarpetta series, which, as well as producing, Curtis will star in alongside Nicole Kidman. This burst of activity is something Curtis ascribes to the 'freedom' she derived from losing 'all vanity', and over the course of our conversation 'freedom' is the word she most frequently uses to describe what she values in life. Freedom is a particularly loaded and precious concept for those on the other side of addiction and, says Curtis, 'I have dead relatives; I have parents who both had issues with drinking and drugs. I have a dead sibling. I have numerous friends who never found the freedom, which is really the goal – right? Freedom.' It's a principle that also extends to her family. Curtis's daughter Ruby, 29, is trans, and I ask how insulated they are from Donald Trump's aggressively anti-trans policies. 'I want to be careful because I protect my family,' says Curtis. 'I'm an outspoken advocate for the right of human beings to be who they are. And if a governmental organisation tries to claim they're not allowed to be who they are, I will fight against that. I'm a John Steinbeck student – he's my favourite writer – and there's a beautiful piece of writing from East of Eden about the freedom of people to be who they are. Any government, religion, institution trying to limit that freedom is what I need to fight against.' There are many, many other subjects to cycle through, including Curtis's friendship with Mariska Hargitay, whose new documentary about her mother, Jayne Mansfield, hit Curtis particularly hard, not least because 'Jayne's house was next to Tony Curtis's house – that big pink house on Carolwood Drive that Tony Curtis lived in and Sonny and Cher owned prior to him.' (I don't know if referring to her dad as 'Tony Curtis,' is intended to charm, but it does.) There's also a school reunion she went to over a decade ago; the feeling she has of being 'a 14-year-old energy bunny'; the fact we've been pronouncing 'Everest' wrong all this time; the role played by lyrics from Justin Timberlake's Like I Love You in her friendship with Lindsay Lohan; and the 'Gordian knot' of what happens when not being a brand becomes your brand. Curtis could, one suspects, summon an infinite stream of enthusiasms and – perhaps no better advertisement for ageing, this – share urgent thoughts about every last one of them. In an industry in which people weigh their words, veil their opinions and pander to every passing ideal, she has gone in a different direction, one unrestrained by the usual timidities. Or as she puts it with her typical take-it-or-leave-it flatness, 'the freedom to have my own mind, wherever it's going to take me. I'm comfortable with that journey and reject the rest.' • Freakier Friday is in Australian cinemas from 7 August and from 8 August in the UK and US • Jamie Lee Curtis wears: (leopard look) jacket and skirt, by Rixo; T-shirt and belt, both by AllSaints; boots, by Dr Martens; tights, by Wolford; (tartan look) suit, by Vivienne Westwood, from tights, by Wolford; shoes, by By Far. Fashion stylist: Avigail Collins at Forward Artists. Set stylist: Stefania Lucchesi at Saint Luke Artists. Hair: Sean James at Aim Artists. Makeup: Erin Ayanian Monroe at Cloutier Remix.
