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Business Insider
9 hours ago
- Business
- Business Insider
How Anthropic got so good at coding
Anthropic has become the dominant provider of AI coding intelligence, and the startup's success has sparked a wave of soul-searching, theorizing, and "code red" scrambles across Silicon Valley. The goal of this frantic activity is to find out how Anthropic got so good at coding. "That's the trillion-dollar question," said Quinn Slack, CEO of startup Sourcegraph, which relies on Anthropic models. "It's like, why is Coca Cola is better than Pepsi?" Elon Musk wants to know. His xAI startup has been trying to topple Anthropic lately. Mark Zuckerberg's mad dash for AI talent and infrastructure is partly driven by the same quest to understand Anthropic's coding lead and catch up. There's a lot at stake here. Since Anthropic's AI coding breakthrough just over a year ago, revenue has surged. It's pulling in billions of dollars now, mostly from other companies paying for access to its models for coding tasks. The startup may soon be worth $100 billion. Floored by a model Sourcegraph's Slack remembers the exact moment when he realized Anthropic had a major breakthrough on its hands. This was June 2024, when Anthropic released its Claude Sonnet 3.5 model. Slack was floored. "We immediately said, 'this model is better than anything else out there in terms of its ability to write code at length' — high-quality code that a human would be proud to write," he said. Slack quickly arranged a meeting at Sourcegraph and announced that Sonnet 3.5 would be their default AI model, providing the underlying intelligence that powers the startup's coding service for developers. And he gave it away for free. Some colleagues wanted more time to evaluate if such a drastic move made sense financially. But Slack insisted. "Anthropic changed everything," he said. "And as a startup, if you're not moving at that speed, you're gonna die." The go-to vibe coding platform Just over a year later, Anthropic models power most of the top AI coding services, including Cursor, Augment, and Microsoft's GitHub Copilot. Even Meta uses Anthropic models to support its Devmate internal coding assistant. AI coding startup Windsurf was going to be acquired by OpenAI, but Anthropic cut off access to its Claude models, and the deal crumbled. Now Windsurf is back using Anthropic. All those videos on social media of teenagers vibe coding new apps and websites? Impossible without Anthropic's AI breakthrough in June 2024. What's even more surprising is that Anthropic's AI coding lead has endured. Its latest models, including Claude Sonnet 4, are still the best at coding more than a year later. That's almost unheard of in AI, when new advancements seem to pop up every day. Trying to answer the trillion-dollar question Silicon Valley hasn't given up trying to crack open Anthropic's AI coding secrets. A few years ago, Anthropic would have published a long research paper detailing the data, techniques, and architecture it used to get Sonnet 3.5 to be a coding expert. Nowadays, though, competition is so fierce that all the AI labs keep their AI sauce super secret. However, in a recent interview with Business Insider, Anthropic executive Dianne Penn, shared some clues on how the startup made this breakthrough. Cofounder Ben Mann also discussed some successful techniques recently on a podcast. BI also interviewed several CEOs and founders of AI coding startups that rely on Anthropic AI models, along with a coding expert from MIT. Let's start with Eric Simons, the ebullient CEO of Stackblitz, the startup behind blockbuster vibe coding service Simons thinks Anthropic had its existing models write code and deploy it. Then, the company evaluated all the deployed code, through a combination human expertise and automated AI analysis. With software coding, it's relatively easy to evaluate good versus bad outputs. That's because the code either works, or it doesn't, when deployed. This creates clear YES and NO signals that are really valuable for training and fine-tuning new AI models, he explained. Anthropic took these signals and funneled them into the training data and development process for the new Sonnet AI models. This reinforcement-learning strategy produced AI models that were much better at coding, according to Simons, who was equally blown away by Sonnet 3.5's abilities in the summer of 2024. Human versus AI evaluations Anthropic cofounder Ben Mann appeared on a podcast recently and seemed to revel in the idea that the rest of Silicon Valley still hadn't caught up with his startup's AI coding abilities. "Other companies have had, like, code reds for trying to catch up in coding capabilities for quite a while and have not been able to do it," he said. "Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that they weren't able to catch up, but I'll take it." Still, when pushed for answers, he explained some of the keys to Anthropic's success here. Mann built Anthropic's human feedback data system in 2021. Back then, it was relatively easy for humans to evaluate signals, such as whether model output A was better than B, and feed that back into the AI development process via a popular technique known as Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback, or RLHF. "As we've trained the models more and scaled up a lot, it's become harder to find humans with enough expertise to meaningfully contribute to these feedback comparisons," Mann explained on the No Priors podcast. "For coding, somebody who isn't already an expert software engineer would probably have a lot of trouble judging whether one thing or another was better." So, Anthropic pioneered a new approach called Reinforcement Learning from AI Feedback, or RLAIF. Instead of humans evaluating AI model outputs, other models would do the analysis. To make this more-automated technique work, Anthropic wrote a series of principals in English for its models to adhere to. The startup called it Constitutional AI. "The process is very simple," Mann said. "You just take a random prompt like 'How should I think about my taxes?' and then you have the model write a response. Then you have the model criticize its own response with respect to one of the principles, and if it didn't comply with the principle, then you have the model correct its response." For coding, you can give the AI models principles such as "Did it actually serve the final answer?" or "Did it do a bunch of stuff that the person didn't ask for?" or "Does this code look maintainable?" or "Are the comments useful and interesting?" Mann explained. Dr. Mann's empirical method Elad Gil, a top AI investor and No Priors host, concurred, saying the clear signals from deploying code and seeing it if works, makes this process fruitful. "With coding, you actually have like a direct output that you can measure: You can run the code, you can test the code," he said. "There's sort of a baked-in utility function you can optimize against." Mann cited an example from his father, who was a physician. One day, a patient came in with a skin condition on his face, and Dr. Mann couldn't find what the problem was. So, he divided the patient's face into sections and applied different treatments. One area cleared up, revealing the answer empirically. "Sometimes you just won't know and you have to try stuff — and with code that's easy because we can just do it in a loop," Anthropic's Mann said. Constitutional AI and beyond In an interview with BI, Anthropic's Penn described other ingredients that went into making the startup's models so good at coding. She said the description from Simons, the StackBlitz CEO, was "generally true," while noting that Anthropic's coding breakthrough was the result of a multiyear effort involving many researchers and lots of ideas and techniques. "We fundamentally made it good at writing code, or being able to figure out what good code looks like, through what you can consider as trial and iterations," she said. "You're giving the model different questions and allowing it to figure out what the right answer is on a coding problem." When asked about the role of Constitutional AI, Penn said she couldn't share too much detail on the exact techniques, but said "it's definitely in the models." Using tools with no hands Anthropic also trained Sonnet 3.5 to be much better at using tools, a key focus that has begun to turn AI models from chatbots into more general-purpose agents — what the startup calls "virtual collaborators." "They don't have hands," Penn said, so instead, Anthropic's models were trained to write code themselves to access digital tools. For example, she said that if an Anthropic model is asked for weather information or stock prices, it can write software to tap into an application programming interface, or API, a common way for apps to access data. Following instructions When software coding projects get really big, you can't knock out the work in a few minutes. The more complex tasks take days, weeks, or longer. AI models have been incapable of sticking with long-term jobs like these. But Anthropic invested heavily in making Sonnet 3.5 and later models much better at following human instructions. This way, if the model gets stumped on a long coding problem, it can take guidance from developers to keep going — essentially listening better to understand the intent of its human colleagues, Penn explained. (Hey, we can all get better at that). Knowing what to remember Even the best human software developers can't keep everything related to a coding project in their brains. GitHub repositories, holding code, images, documentation, and revision histories, can be massive. So Anthropic trained is AI models to create a kind of scratch pad where it jots down notes in an external file system as it's exploring things like a code base. "We train it to use that tool very well," Penn said (while I frantically scribbled notes on my own reporting pad). The key here is that Anthropic's models were trained to remember more of the salient details of coding projects, and ignore the less important stuff. "It's not useful to say, 'Dianne is wearing a colored shirt in this conversation, and Alistair is wearing a green shirt,'" Penn said, describing the BI interview taking place at that moment. "It's more important to note that we talked about coding and how Anthropic focused on coding quality." This better use of memory means that Anthropic models can suggest multiple code changes over the course of an entire project, something that other AI models aren't as good at. "If it's not trained well, it could scribble the wrong things," Penn told me. "It's gotten really good at those things. So it actually does not just mean in the short term that it can write good code, but it remembers to write data so that it might make a second or third change that another AI model might not know, because the quality of its notes, plus the quality of its core intelligence, are better." Claude Code and terminal data For a while, in around 2022, it looked like AI progress was happening automatically, through more data, more GPUs, and bigger training runs. "The reality is that there are very discrete breakthroughs, and very discrete ideas that lead to these breakthroughs," said Armando Solar-Lezama, a distinguished professor of computing at MIT. "It takes researchers, and investment in research, to produce the next idea that leads to the next breakthrough." This is how Anthropic's hard-won coding lead happened. But access to detailed, granular data on how human developers write software is crucial to stay ahead in this part of the AI race, he added. Andrew Filev has a theory related to this. He's CEO of Zencoder, another AI coding service that uses Anthropic's models. Filev thinks that data from computer terminal use is key to training AI models to be good at coding. A terminal is a text-based interface that lets developers send instructions to a computer's operating system or software. They type in information via a "command line," and hopefully get outputs. "Large language models are great with text," he told me in a recent interview about Anthropic. "The computer terminal, where you keep commands, is basically text, too. So at some point, people realized that they should just give that data to their AI model, and it can do amazing things — things which previously had never worked." In late May, Anthropic rolled out Claude Code, a command line tool for AI coding that works with developers' existing terminals. Suddenly, Anthropic is now competing against its main customers — all those other AI coding services. The move also created a direct relationship between Anthropic and developers, giving the AI lab access to a richer source of data on how expert humans write software. "The amount and the speed that we learn is much less if we don't have a direct relationship with our coding users," Anthropic's Mann said. "So launching Claude Code was really essential for us to get a better sense of what do people need, how do we make the models better, and how do we advance the state-of-the-art?" In theory, this granular information could be used to help train and fine-tune Anthropic's next models, potentially giving the startup a data edge that might preserve its AI coding lead even longer. "Could I do this without Anthropic's latest models? No," said Sourcegraph's Slack. "And would their models be as good without Claude Code? I don't think so."
Time of India
a day ago
- Business
- Time of India
Windsurf's Indian-origin founder slammed for joining Google; Vinod Khosla calls them 'Bad examples' of founders
Windsurf's Indian-origin co-founder, Varun Mohan, is facing criticism from venture capitalist Vinod Khosla for joining Google. The Indian-American billionaire, who is also the co-founder of Sun Microsystems, took to the social media platform X (earlier Twitter) to call Mohan and his co-founder, Douglas Chen , "bad examples" of founders. This comes after a potential $3 billion acquisition of their AI startup, Windsurf, by OpenAI didn't go through. Subsequently, Mohan and Chen joined Google DeepMind , leaving the remaining Windsurf executives to scramble for a new deal. However, the remaining team ultimately secured an acquisition by another AI startup named Cognition, which Khosla Ventures invests in. Cognition's new CEO, Jeff Wang, described the situation as "crazy." What Vinod Khosla said about Windsurf's founders Replying to a recent X post criticising Windsurf's founders, Khosla wrote: 'So true. Windsurf and others are really bad examples of founders leaving their teams behind and not even sharing the proceeds with their team. I definitely would not work with their founders next time.' by Taboola by Taboola Sponsored Links Sponsored Links Promoted Links Promoted Links You May Like New Launch at Godrej Sector 12 | Luxurious 3 BHK + S & 4 BHK Homes @₹2.90 Cr* Godrej Majesty Learn More Undo Khosla made his comments in reaction to a clip from The Twenty Minute VC podcast, where Cognition founder Scott Wu said: 'There's an unspoken covenant that as a founder, you go down with the ship. And I think that, for better or worse, it's changed a bit over the last year, and I think it's a bit disappointing to be honest.' Later on, another X user called out Khosla's response as hypocritical, prompting him to elaborate further. Responding to this, Khosla wrote: 'Absolutely not hypocritical about it. I would not work with the WeWork founder either! Working without trust is sure way to be unhappy. And is this founder able to get the best teams to come join him? A 100X isn't worth it to me at the cost of my values, especially since I have the luxury of not needing the money. Not saying it applies to others. I honestly asked myself if I made $1b on this "deal" would I accept it and be quiet or fight for the rest of the team? Or give part of my money to the rest of the team? Hard to say without being in the situation but I feel I'd definitely fight for those left behind.' Google Pixel 10 Series Launch: Everything Coming on August 20 AI Masterclass for Students. Upskill Young Ones Today!– Join Now
NDTV
a day ago
- Business
- NDTV
Indian-Origin CEO Facing Backlash For Ditching Startup To Join Google: "Generational Villain"
Days after Google hired Windsurf's Varun Mohan, a backlash has ensued with social media users slamming the Indian-origin CEO for leaving the company. Mr Mohan, alongside co-founder Douglas Chen, joined Google's artificial intelligence (AI) arm DeepMind, following a high-stakes corporate tug-of-war that reportedly saw OpenAI in advanced talks to acquire Windsurf just last month. His abrupt exit, however, left Windsurf in turmoil. The startup managed to secure a last-minute acquisition by another AI firm, Cognition, after a weekend of frantic negotiations. The company's new CEO, Jeff Wang, described the rescue as "crazy". Venture capitalist Vinod Khosla took to X (formerly Twitter) to call out Mohan, saying he would not work with him again. "Windsurf and others are really bad examples of founders leaving their teams behind and not even sharing the proceeds," Mr Khosla wrote. So true. Windsurf and others are really bad examples of founders leaving their teams behind and not even sharing the proceeds with their team. I definitely would not work with their founders next time. — Vinod Khosla (@vkhosla) July 19, 2025 Meanwhile, CEO of Cognition, Scott Wu, added: "There's an unspoken covenant that as a founder, you go down with the ship. For better or worse, it's changed a bit over the last year and I think it's disappointing, to be honest." 'There's an unspoken covenant that as a founder, you go down with the ship. For better or worse, it's changed a bit over the last year and I think it's disappointing, to be honest.' Enough said. This show is everything and more on: - What really happened behind the scenes -… — Harry Stebbings (@HarryStebbings) July 18, 2025 "Varun Mohan is a generational villain at this point, crazy saga. Also, no word from him," said one user while another added: "The original Windsurf leadership team jumping ships to join Google with cherry-picked employees and leaving most of the team behind is unconscionable. Deeply unethical." Varun Mohan is a generational villain at this point.. crazy saga. Also no word from him. — Chandra (@NCResq) July 19, 2025 Also Read | Here's How Much Andy Byron's Wife Could Get In Divorce After Coldplay Kiss Cam Scandal While the backlash was intense, Ycombinator CEO Garry Tan came to Mr Mohan's rescue, stating he did not deserve to be dragged into the internet beef. "Varun Mohan and the team at Windsurf built something great," wrote Mr Tan, adding: "He and his team don't deserve to be dragged and I think in the long term their decision to sell will be vindicated. It can be irresistible to fan the flames on Internet beef but in this case everyone should stand down given what really happened." Mr Mohan, who has Indian roots, was raised in Sunnyvale, California, by parents who migrated from India. He attended The Harker School in San Jose before moving on to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he earned both a Bachelor's and Master of Engineering degree in Computer Science. He co-founded Windsurf in June 2021, with the startup gaining prominence for developing AI tools that streamline software development workflows. Under his leadership, Windsurf quickly became one of Silicon Valley's most promising names in AI infrastructure.
Time of India
a day ago
- Business
- Time of India
Who is Varun Mohan? Indian-origin CEO of Windsurf faces backlash after quitting startup for Google, derailing $3B OpenAI deal
Varun Mohan, a rising star in Silicon Valley and co-founder of AI startup Windsurf, is under fire after abruptly quitting to join Google 's DeepMind, effectively tanking a $3 billion acquisition deal with OpenAI . The move triggered widespread criticism from investors, industry peers, and the public, with some branding Mohan a 'generational villain' for leaving his team behind during a crucial transition. While Windsurf was later rescued in a last-minute deal by Cognition, the controversy has cast a long shadow over Mohan's once-admired career. But who is the man at the center of this high-stakes tech saga? Varun Mohan: Windsurf Co-founder with Indian roots Varun Mohan was born and raised in Sunnyvale, California, to Indian immigrant parents. While the specific region in India remains undisclosed, his upbringing was defined by a blend of Indian cultural values and the American spirit of innovation. Encouraged to excel academically, Mohan showed an early aptitude for mathematics and computer science, regularly winning accolades in national Olympiads and competitions. Mohan's academic journey led him to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he pursued a rare dual-degree program. by Taboola by Taboola Sponsored Links Sponsored Links Promoted Links Promoted Links You May Like This Could Be the Best Time to Trade Gold in 5 Years IC Markets Learn More Undo He completed a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Engineering in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (EECS). He specialized in areas like operating systems, machine learning, distributed computing, and algorithms, laying the groundwork for his future in AI infrastructure and developer tools. During his time at MIT, Mohan built his technical foundation with internships at major tech firms and research institutions, including Quora, LinkedIn, Samsung, Cloudera, and UC Santa Cruz. After graduating, he joined the self-driving startup Nuro, where he quickly rose to the role of Lead Software Engineer. These experiences gave him hands-on exposure to complex AI systems and real-world applications of machine learning. Co-founding Windsurf: Building an AI-native IDE In 2021, Mohan co-founded Codeium, which was later rebranded as Windsurf, along with MIT classmate Douglas Chen. The company initially focused on GPU virtualization for deep learning but later pivoted to create Cascade, an AI-powered integrated development environment (IDE). The tool allowed developers to write, test, and refactor code with AI support, onboarding over a million users within just four months. Windsurf raised $243 million in funding and reached a $1.25 billion valuation, becoming one of the fastest-growing AI unicorns in the United States. Fallout from the Google move In 2025, OpenAI was reportedly in advanced talks to acquire Windsurf for $3 billion. But just as the deal neared completion, Mohan and Chen resigned and licensed Windsurf's technology to Google in a $2.4 billion agreement. Mohan then joined Google DeepMind, taking key team members with him. The sudden departure left Windsurf in crisis and eventually prompted a weekend-long rescue operation by AI firm Cognition. The move sparked outrage across the tech world. Backlash from investors and the public The fallout was swift and public. Venture capitalist Vinod Khosla criticized Mohan for abandoning his team, while Cognition CEO Scott Wu called the exit a betrayal of founder responsibility. On social media, users accused Mohan of prioritizing personal gain over team loyalty. One post read, 'Founders cashing out while the team's left behind isn't just bad form. It's long-term reputation damage.' Another user bluntly called him a 'generational villain. ' Despite the backlash, Mohan's contributions to AI-powered developer tools remain significant. He is widely regarded as a pioneer in agentic IDEs, which are tools that integrate AI into the entire coding process, and an influential figure in Silicon Valley's AI evolution. Now at Google DeepMind, he continues to shape the future of AI-driven software development, although under the shadow of one of the year's most controversial exits.
News18
a day ago
- Business
- News18
‘A Generational Villain': Indian-Origin CEO Of AI Startup Windsurf Faces Backlash After Joining Google
The departure came at a time when Windsurf was nearing a major deal. OpenAI had nearly acquired the startup for $3 billion, a deal that ultimately fell through. Varun Mohan, the Indian-origin CEO of AI startup Windsurf, is facing widespread criticism after he left the company to join Google's DeepMind, following the collapse of a $3 billion acquisition deal with OpenAI. His sudden move, alongside co-founder Douglas Chen, has left Windsurf's remaining team scrambling for stability. Mohan and Chen's departure came at a time when Windsurf was nearing a major deal. According to reports, OpenAI had nearly acquired the startup for $3 billion, a deal that ultimately fell through. Shortly after, both founders joined Google, leaving the rest of their employees uncertain about the company's future. Over the following weekend, Windsurf's new leadership managed to secure a last-minute acquisition deal with another AI startup, Cognition. The new CEO, Jeff Wang, called the turnaround 'crazy." Mohan's decision to walk away from the company has drawn sharp criticism from within the tech community. Venture capitalist Vinod Khosla was among the most vocal, accusing Mohan of abandoning his team without even sharing the potential financial proceeds. 'Windsurf and others are really bad examples of founders leaving their teams behind and not even sharing the proceeds with their team," Khosla wrote on X. 'I definitely would not work with their founders next time." So true. Windsurf and others are really bad examples of founders leaving their teams behind and not even sharing the proceeds with their team. I definitely would not work with their founders next time. — Vinod Khosla (@vkhosla) July 19, 2025 Khosla was responding to Cognition CEO Scott Wu, who also voiced disappointment. 'There's an unspoken covenant that as a founder, you go down with the ship. For better or worse, it's changed a bit over the last year and I think it's disappointing," Wu said. Social media erupted with strong reactions. 'Varun Mohan is a generational villain at this point.. crazy saga. Also, no word from him," wrote one user. Others accused him of prioritising money over team loyalty. Alex Kehr, CEO of Superlocal, which was recently acquired by Foursquare, weighed in: 'One of my biggest motivations to get to the finish line this year was making sure everyone on my team had a comfortable landing." Another X user summed it up: 'Founders cashing out while the team's left behind isn't just bad form, it's long-term reputation damage." view comments First Published: July 21, 2025, 17:36 IST Disclaimer: Comments reflect users' views, not News18's. Please keep discussions respectful and constructive. Abusive, defamatory, or illegal comments will be removed. News18 may disable any comment at its discretion. By posting, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.
