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Blue Origin's All-Female Flight Crew Isn't Afraid to Take Up Space

Blue Origin's All-Female Flight Crew Isn't Afraid to Take Up Space

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A pop star, two journalists, a rocket scientist, an activist, and a filmmaker walk into a room. That may sound like the setup for a punchline, but it's actually the all-star lineup of Blue Origin's historic all-female space crew, which includes Katy Perry, Lauren Sánchez, Gayle King, Aisha Bowe, Amanda Nguyen, and Kerianne Flynn.
Fittingly, it's the third week of Women's History Month when the group assembles in person for the very first time at their ELLE cover shoot, and everywhere you look, people are buzzing with excitement, ready to write the next chapter. 'We're a crew!' the women shout in unison once they meet. Each is rocking her version of an all-black power look. There are fitted pantsuits, deep V-cuts, embellishments down the sides of sleeves and pants, touches of leather, and towering stiletto heels. As they huddle, the charged energy filling the air hints that the reality of the thrilling mission is beginning to sink in. There had been a couple of one-on-one hangouts and video calls ahead of this meeting, but this marks their first chance to gather together as a team with the only other women on Earth who could understand how they are feeling.
Three weeks earlier, Blue Origin, the private space company owned by Sánchez's fiancé, billionaire Jeff Bezos, publicly announced that the rocketship New Shepard's 31st mission would be made up solely of women—the first since Russian astronaut Valentina Tereshkova's solo space flight in 1963. Because privatized space flight is still new, Blue Origin's announcement was met with surprise across social media, news broadcasts, and group chats. King says people have even stopped her on the street to express their concerns and well wishes.
The flight is different from what you might envision: The entire trip is only expected to last 11 minutes, and the women will be going up in a rocket that flies itself, allowing each of them to enjoy the flight as passengers. Once they reach space, they'll be able to float around the rocket, experiencing weightlessness and looking out the windows at the universe and Earth below for about four minutes before coming back down.
'I called Katy,' King says of preparing for the flight. 'We had been on the phone for 36 minutes, and I'd asked her 50 million questions, until finally she said, 'Could I just interrupt for a second? Are you aware that our flight is going to be shorter than this freaking phone call?''
King and Perry laugh as she tells the story. The CBS Mornings host has been very open about the fear and nervousness she's grappling with in order to take advantage of this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Perry, on the other hand, is the picture of calm. 'I don't have any time to be nervous; I ain't got time to be worried,' she says. 'I'm going to feel something when they go, '10, 9, 8, 7,…' but until then we've got stuff to do. We've got business to handle.'
'We have a saying in our house, 'Life takes off on the other side of fear,'' Sánchez says as she reaches a hand out to King and adds: 'Trust me, I'm a little scared too.'
'Wait, you're the insurance!' Perry exclaims candidly as the group erupts in laughter once again.
Sánchez, who led the organization of the historic mission, says she chose each of the women because of their proven ability to inspire others. 'All of these women are storytellers in their own right,' she says. 'They're going to go up to space and be able to spread what they felt in different ways.' The journalist and author also hopes that the group will expand the idea of what explorers look like for the next generation. Based on the statistics of women and space exploration, it's evident the representation is needed. Not only has it been over 60 years since women (or technically just a woman) traveled to space without men, but women also only make up about 11 percent of those who've ventured into space in total.
And, as always, those figures are even lower when it comes to women of color. In fact, only five Black women, two Latina women, and four women of Asian descent have ever gotten to experience the final frontier as NASA astronauts. And the women who did manage to defy those odds had to deal with a hefty amount of gender discrimination on their way up. In Sally, a recent National Geographic documentary about NASA astronaut Sally Ride, the first American woman to go to space, she talks about the offensive questions she had to deal with from her colleagues and the media. (They ranged from her reproductive organs, to how many tampons she would need on board for a week, to whether she could manage to keep from crying if the mission got too hard.)
'I read a stat that there's a huge majority of middle school girls who decide not to pursue STEM fields, although they otherwise would have been interested, because they see them as male-dominated fields,' says Bowe, one of the two Black women in the Blue Origin group and a former rocket scientist. 'So this representation really matters. It's people seeing themselves and being able to show up authentically in their careers in the future.'
Their crew will be among the most diverse set of women to ever go to space at once, and the significance isn't lost on any of them. As we sit down to begin our roundtable discussion, King begins to sing a hymn appropriately titled, 'I Surrender All.' 'We're going to be singing that all the way up,' Perry says, nodding her head as King sings.
Katy Perry: I was like, What am I going to wear? But seriously, I have wanted to go to space for almost 20 years. I was investigating all of the possible commercial options. Even when Blue Origin was first talking about commercial travel to space, I was like, 'Sign me up! I'm first in line.' And then they called me, and I was like, 'Really? I get an invite?' And then they told me about it being the first all-female crew. I take pause in those moments and ask the universe to give me confirmations. And I really felt very sure when they sent me the picture of the space pod, because on the front of the pod is a feather, and that's my mom's nickname for me. And so I was like, Okay, I see it.
Gayle King: I'm probably the only one at the table who wasn't saying, 'Put me in, coach.' When I got the call from Lauren and Jeff, my first reaction was a no. When I covered Blue Origin's first human flight, with Jeff and his brother, I thought, Whoa, good on him that he went the first time. 'He said, 'I'm going. That's how much I believe in it.' I've since talked to so many people who've been up. So I had a lot of trepidation—I still do—but I also know it's very interesting to be terrified and excited at the same time. I haven't felt like this since childbirth, really. Because I knew childbirth was going to hurt. But it's also stepping out of your comfort zone. At the beginning of the year, I said, 'I'm open to new adventures.' And once I do it, then the doors will open for so many other people who thought, Okay, I was one of those reluctant people, but now I'm here and I am really, really excited to go.
Aisha Bowe: My first thought was, Wow. I feel like I've been training for and waiting for this moment my entire life. I remember working at NASA as an aerospace engineer and having the opportunity to walk through the vertical assembly building with a NASA astronaut, José M. Hernández. And José applied to the Astronaut Corps about 13 times before he was selected. He's an inspiration. I wanted to go to space, but I didn't think it was possible. I was afraid to do it. I was afraid to even dream about it. And I started to say to myself, You know what, Aisha? Why are you afraid of the one thing that you've waited your entire life to do? Just go do it. And so when I got the call, I realized that it wasn't 'No' back then—it was 'Not right now,' and now is the time.
Amanda Nguyen: I thought, About time. It's a dream come true, and for me it was a dream deferred. I worked at NASA, I studied the stars—astrophysics at Harvard and MIT—but life got in the way. Gender-based violence is a big reason why so many women in STEM don't continue on with their training, and I was one of those women. After I was sexually assaulted, I traded my telescope to fight for my rights as a sexual assault survivor. I drafted the Sexual Assault Survivors' Bill of Rights, passed it in Congress and at the United Nations. And then, after 10 years, I was like, I want to honor the person that I was before I was hurt.
Kerianne Flynn: I've been waiting to do this for a long time. I grew up in a small town in Michigan, and I always looked up at the stars with my grandfather. He would talk about celestial events and explain the astronomy of the sky. I wondered, What is out there, and what is up there? But going through the rest of my life—my career, my education—it just didn't seem like something that was attainable. So when this opportunity came along, especially to be part of a historic all-female crew, I felt honored and excited. I can't wait to touch down on Earth and share what we bring back with the world.
AN: My parents are boat refugees from Vietnam. We came on boats, and now we're on spaceships. I'm just so grateful for the opportunity and to do it with such icons. This year is actually the 50th anniversary of the Vietnam War, or as they know it, the American War. There are these two parts of myself, as a Vietnamese American woman, that were former enemies. And for me, the science that I'll be doing in partnership with the International Space Center is about using science as a tool for peace and reconciliation.
AB: As the first person of Bahamian heritage to fly into space, I'm particularly excited about the opportunity to share this with my grandfather. I recently lost my father, who came from The Bahamas to study in the United States because he wanted to work for NASA. And it was a dream that I then carried. When my dad found out that I was flying with Blue Origin, he sent me a text message and he said, 'I'm so proud of you.' He said, 'All the people who came before me are proud of you, and all the people who come after me are proud of you. And I'm honored to be able to say in this moment that you're making history.' I wish my dad would have had the opportunity to see this, but in honor of him, we actually have a star. And so I'll be carrying his star with me when I go.
GK: [Most people at this table are saying], 'This has been a dream of mine.' I can honestly say it has never been a dream of mine. But I was having a conversation with Katy, and she said, 'Well, maybe you need to get different dreams.' And I just thought, Wow.
LS: I thought becoming a pilot was a huge dream, and that happened and it was amazing, but I never dreamed of going to space. I didn't even think it was a possibility. Ever. And now I'm like, Oh my gosh, we're actually doing it. Jeff [Bezos] was telling Katy and myself: 'It's going to change you more than you know.'
ELLE: This will be the first time anybody went to space with their hair and makeup done.
LS: Who would not get glam before the flight?!
KP: Space is going to finally be glam. Let me tell you something. If I could take glam up with me, I would do that. We are going to put the 'ass' in astronaut.
AB: I also wanted to test out my hair and make sure that it was okay. So I skydived in Dubai with similar hair to make sure I would be good—took it for a dry run.
LS: We're going to have lash extensions flying in the capsule!
GK: Will the lashes stay on? I'm curious.
LS: Mine are glued on. They're good.
AN: I think it's so important for people to see us like that. This dichotomy of engineer and scientist, and then beauty and fashion. We contain multitudes. Women are multitudes. I'm going to be wearing lipstick.
KF: When I first was looking into being a civilian going into space and expressed interest and signed up, I told my son about it. He was three years old at the time, and he went back to his preschool and started telling his classmates, 'My mom's going to space. My mom's going to space.' And he came home just really devastated and upset because all the kids in his class were calling him a liar. And they went to the teacher and said, 'Declan said his mom's going to space. Is his mom going to space?' And the teachers were like, 'I don't think so.' It was a really tough moment. I didn't go into the classroom or correct anyone, but it just feels like it's not something that women were known for doing—going to space. Moms don't do it. And so now I have the opportunity as a female filmmaker to be part of this incredible crew, to actually go to space and bring that experience back.
LS: And you said, and this is what I remember the most, one of the kids said, 'Moms don't go to space.'
KF: Yes, exactly. 'Moms don't go to space.'
LS: Guess what? Moms go to space.
KP: [My daughter] Daisy wants to go, but she wants the rocket to be pink.
LS: I know a guy. I know a guy.
GK: My kids are potty-trained and grown, but their opinion matters to me. So if either one of them had said, 'No, I'm worried. I don't think you should do it,' I wouldn't be, but they both thought it was very cool. My grandson, who's three and a half, thinks it's the coolest thing. He will be there at the launch. He already has a little astronaut uniform.
KP: Grandmas go to space too!
LS: I have a little stuffed animal, Flynn, that I'm bringing. I wrote a children's book [The Fly Who Flew to Space] about a little dyslexic fly named Flynn who accidentally gets stuck in a rocket and sees the world and comes back a completely different fly. I'm also bringing some other things that are very personal, but I'm going to keep that to myself for now.
KP: I'm going to bring something that has life in it just to remind us how precious the Earth is.
AB: I have a few things. I'll be returning the flag from Apollo 12 [the second mission to the moon] to space. Nancy Conrad, who is the wife of Pete Conrad, the third man to walk on the moon, is a mentor and inspiration to me. She said, 'Your journey parallels Pete's in so many ways, and so I want you to carry this flag.' And thanks to the Museum of Flight in Seattle, I actually have the Apollo 12 flag, and that's going to fly with me. It's a powerful symbol of the past, the present, and the future of space. I think we look like the future. I also partnered with Winston-Salem State University, an HBCU in North Carolina, to bring plant samples from their Astrobotany Lab with me. And the fun thing I'm bringing is conch chowder, because it is big in The Bahamas. I cannot wait to take that national dish, which brings me so much pride. It was my comfort food growing up. We're dehydrating it and I'm taking it in a small ramekin.
AN: I'm bringing two things: My mother's shells from the island she's a refugee from; and then the other thing is a promise that I made to myself [after my assault]. After I left the hospital, I wrote down, 'Never ever give up,' and I taped it to my laptop. I looked at it every day when I was graduating and when I was fighting for my rights—and I will be looking at it for the flight.
GK: I'm going to bring pictures, for sure. But then I want to bring something of my grandson's that means something to him. There's also music that I want—I don't even know if we could listen to music, but I like the idea of that.
LS: Well, Katy can just sing up there.
KF: You'd be the first [music artist] in space to sing.
KP: I feel like I should.
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GK: I'm looking forward to weightlessness, seeing what that feels like. And then I'm looking forward to just seeing what space looks like. So number one, I plan to open my eyes. [Laughs] I think it puts everything in perspective, because I know that there's more than just us down here. So I want to be up there and looking down to see what that looks like and what that feels like. Everybody who has gone to space says you are forever changed by it. I want to know what that means for me. Because listen, I'm not a brave person. I'm not. People come up and say, 'I'm so proud you're doing this.' I think I'll be really proud of myself once we do it, and I'm looking forward to that.
KF: I'm looking forward to looking out into the vastness of space. I will obviously look down on our beautiful planet to get that perspective and hopefully experience the overview effect, too. And I'm crossing my fingers that we go at a time when we'll also be able to see the moon. I feel a real connection to the moon, and I think that would be really special. I'm also interested to get to know the person I am when we land on the other side.
LS: I have no idea what it's going to be like. The fact that we're going to be able to come back and inspire people and bring people together excites me the most. Little girls and little boys are going to be more curious about space and what else is out there because we're bringing attention to it. It will be great to inspire a new generation.
AB: Exactly. You're going to see six people who are going to come back and be forever changed. But we're also going to inspire people who are going to have an opportunity to go to space in countries that don't even have space flight programs. When I started working at NASA, I never could have conceived that a company that wasn't created yet would put me in the sky. I'm also partnering with Blue Origin and the Club For The Future program [which sends postcards to space], and have been traveling around for the last year and a half collecting dreams from kids all around the world. And those are flying to space with me. Thanks to Lauren and Jeff, those postcards are going back to those kids afterward. So kids in India, Kenya, France, and The Bahamas are going to get their postcard from space back. Even the prime minister of The Bahamas wrote a postcard.
GK: I'm starting to meditate. I tried it years ago, but one of these women said, 'I have the perfect person for you.' So he's coming to my house. I have some sessions planned before we go up just to help me with [my anxiety].
AB: I've been training for this in some way or another for the last year, but recently I turned up the intensity. I just completed a NASTAR simulation, where I had the opportunity to actually experience what I can expect to encounter on the flight. For me, the physical preparation is really important. I want to have my body know what it feels like to go up. We've got a fighter jet flight booked, and I'm really excited about that.
KF: I've done several zero-gravity simulation flights. They carve out a Boeing 747 and fly the plane in a parabolic pattern, so when the plane descends, everyone floats up. That was to get used to the feeling of weightlessness. So I think I'm going to have some fun with that when we're up. I also did the NASTAR training in Philadelphia and experienced up to five Gs of pressure.
AN: Somebody said to me recently, 'The reason why you left [your dreams to go to] space behind is how you're getting to fly now.' When Blue Origin reached out, they said, 'We want to uplift your women's rights work.' So I'm flying for two people—one of course is my community, as the first Vietnamese woman. The other is all survivors of sexual violence. For so many of us, healing is such a difficult path that we don't know if we're ever going to make it through. And when I look at that note, I hope that is a healing moment for me. It will be a full circle moment that I can share with other survivors—your dreams still matter; the person you were before you were hurt still matters. And not only do your dreams still matter, they can come true—even flying in space.
AB: I'm dedicating this flight to everybody who was told their dream was too big. I was told that I would never get into the aerospace program that I went to, that it was unlikely I was going to work for NASA. So if there's one thing that people take away from this, it's that there is nothing that you can't do, and you cannot allow others to define success for your life.
KF: I'm doing this to leave a legacy for my family. I'm doing it for my son. We are the future of space travel. Sending civilians to space will become something that everyone will have an opportunity to do one day. And I feel honored to be one of the pioneers among these women to make this possible for future generations. I want to leave something for my son to be proud of and want to be an inspiration for any future generations.
KP: I'm flying for my daughter, Daisy, to inspire her to never have limits on her dreams and show her that any type of person can reach their dreams—no matter your background, your ethnicity, your economic situation, or your education level. She's already such a big dreamer and she's only four. But also to inspire a whole new generation and make space and science glam.
LS: For the next generation of explorers. There are going to be children out there who are going to see this incredible group of explorers and go, 'I want to do that.' And by the way, it could be, 'I want to be a journalist,' 'I want to be an activist,' 'I want to be a musician,' 'I want to be a rocket scientist.' It's not just about this trip. It's about the fact that they're seeing that all of these incredible explorers do other things as well.
GK: I feel that too. I like to think that for anybody who can look at me and say, 'If she can do that, so can I.' Anybody who knows me is stunned that I'm sitting at the table with this group of people. I'm kind of stunned myself. But I want people to know that you are far more capable of things than you realize. And I am a living example of that. So I'm dedicating this to showing people that number one, it's okay to have dreams. Dreams do not have deadlines. And if you think that you're afraid of something, release the fear and do things that you don't think are possible.
Set design by Peter Gueracague Studio; produced by Crawford & Co Productions.
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According to a food reviewer, there was an imbalance between the sweet and savoury flavours, and the prawn stock's characteristic brininess was frustratingly faint. There was also a notable lack of wok hei and pork lard was only served upon request. To find out more about the disappointing Singapore Fried Hokkien Mee, read here. Apple's week-long Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) kicked off on Monday (9 June) with a keynote and here are all the highlights. The announcements aren't that splashy but the biggest one is probably the new iOS 26, which brings with it the largest software design overhaul for Apple since iOS 7 in 2013. All new Apple devices will get a new look dubbed "Liquid Glass" – one that was inspired by the Vision Pro's translucent software display. The new design will feature see-through visuals that appear to have a glossy surface. The new iOS 26 also marks the start of a new OS naming convention for Apple. The name of Apple's operating system typically increases by 1 each year, but it'll now be OS 26 for all of their devices. This brings the naming convention in line with the year in which customers will use it. Apple Intelligence is also getting some updates with the biggest announcement being that it'll open up its on-device AI model to third-party app developers. It'll also use the technology to improve other functions of the phone, such as Apple Maps, which will now remember users' preferred routes and tailor directions for them – which means that your coffee runs will no longer be a detour. However, Apple didn't reveal more on its plans for a more capable, AI-enhanced Siri. This was first announced at last year's WWDC but later indefinitely delayed. For more announcements from the Apple WWDC 2025, read here. A US judge dismissed actor Justin Baldoni's US$400 million defamation lawsuit against Blake Lively on Monday (9 June). Lively had accused Baldoni of sexually harassing her while filming the 2024 movie It Ends With Us, and Baldoni's lawsuit was a response to that. She still seeks unspecified triple and punitive damages, and a March 2026 trial remains scheduled. The judge also dismissed another related $250 million lawsuit from Baldoni against the New York Times for its 21 Dec, 2024 article on their dispute titled "'We Can Bury Anyone': Inside a Hollywood Smear Machine". For more on Justin Baldoni's legal loss and the judge's explanation of the dismissal, read here. A study by the National Institute of Education (NIE) aims to examine how the well-being of girls, who are at greater risk of stress and problematic behaviours, are affected by life in Singapore's top schools. There will be 4,200 secondary school girls recruited from the study. Participants will be recruited from three girls' school and one co-ed school in Singapore. The inclusion of the co-ed school was to recruit a smaller group of boys for comparison, explained the study's lead investigator, Dr Jacqueline Lee Tilley. Researchers have defined a top school as as schools where students consistently perform well in national exams or co-curricular activities. This study is the first of its kind in Singapore and will be conducted over three years, from 2025 to 2028. The four schools were not been named, but The Straits Times understands that Methodist Girls' School is one of them. For more on the NIE study and how it'll be conducted, read here. A Singaporean man was arrested in Johor Bahru on Sunday (8 June) after a road rage incident went viral online. Johor Bahru Utara police chief Balveer Singh told Malaysian media on Monday that the man will remain in remand for four days till 12 June. In an official statement, Singh said, "The suspect does not have a criminal record and tested negative for drugs." Facebook user Vicky Sing, who said she was involved in the incident with her boyfriend, uploaded short clips of the encounter to her account. One of them showed the Singaporean driver shouting at what seems to be her boyfriend. There were also a clip of the driver kicking her car and another showing the damage to the car. A police report was made by the couple on Saturday afternoon, shortly after the incident occurred at around 2.39pm. The case will be investigated under Section 426 of the Penal Code, for mischief and damaging property and Section 509 of the Penal Code, for insult of modesty. For more on the Johor Bahru road rage incident involving a Singaporean driver, read here.

How the Director and Stars of ‘Pavements' Brought Many Stephen Malkmuses to Life
How the Director and Stars of ‘Pavements' Brought Many Stephen Malkmuses to Life

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How the Director and Stars of ‘Pavements' Brought Many Stephen Malkmuses to Life

The prevailing initial state of the two actors tasked with portraying Pavement frontman Stephen Malkmus in Alex Ross Perry's multifaceted, genre-warped film Pavements was, reasonably, confusion. Pavements — which releases in theaters across North America June 6 — is nominally, and for the most part, a documentary. It follows Pavement as they prep for their 2022 reunion tour and uses archival footage to tell the story of a band of alternative-nation outsiders who made erudite, inscrutable, and irresistible tunes; navigated the post-Nirvana Nineties with blasé circumspection; broke up as cult heroes; and returned decades later as widely-recognized, era-defining greats. More from Rolling Stone 'Titan': See Trailer for Netflix Doc That Dives Deep Into OceanGate Disaster Martin Scorsese's Career Goes in Front of Camera for Five-Part Apple TV+ Documentary That Doc on Shia LaBeouf's Acting School Is Even Crazier Than You've Heard But along with parsing and probing Pavement's importance, Perry also wanted to explore the ways we bestow that importance. So, he cooked up the various kinds of cultural schlock that get pumped out when it comes time to celebrate (and profit from) legacy acts — a biopic, a jukebox musical, even a museum exhibit filled with phony and real artifacts — and combined them to create a Russian nesting doll of a film, genres stacked on top of one another, reality packed inside fiction. And for the actors Perry hired to star in his real-but-not-real biopic and musical, performing in Pavements was a confounding but also intriguing prospect. Joe Keery, the Stranger Things star and Djo musician, who plays Malkmus in the Oscar-baity biopic-within-the-movie, tells Rolling Stone, 'I didn't understand the full context of the movie until I showed up a couple of days before and we were doing the [costume] fittings and stuff. 'Then I started to wrap my mind around it. They had done the musical already, so I had the reference point of, 'It's this real thing, but it's fake, and it exists within the world of the movie.'' Michael Esper, an established theater actor, remembers his own bewilderment when Perry called him 'out of the blue' to offer him the role of Essem, the Malkmus-esque (emphasis on the 'esque') lead in the film's off-Broadway jukebox musical component, Slanted! Enchanted! 'I couldn't tell how serious he was,' Esper says. 'Like, how real do you want it to be? How much of a joke? Are we really doing this in front of people? How earnest am I supposed to be? Pavement is cool with this?' He adds with a laugh: 'It was such an insane idea, and the potential for humiliation was so high.' Perry was compelled to cram all of these sub-projects into Pavements because he firmly believes 'we don't actually want these things.' He argues, for instance, that no one is asking for a 'cliché, birth-to-death biopic' of Kurt Cobain, yet the likelihood of one existing, eventually, seems disconcertingly high. Perry also saw huge potential in this multigenre approach. 'The truth I'm reaching for,' he says, 'is [that] this format of prismatic, hall-of-mirrors storytelling is the only way to even consider approaching the truth of any great artist.' Pavement, and Malkmus in particular, is uniquely positioned for this kind of interrogation. Perry argues the frontman is up there with 20th-century geniuses like Bob Dylan and David Bowie 'because he's this enigma — he's so fascinating, and the music is so good.' Keery also uses that word — 'enigma' — while Esper, a longtime fan who was scouring zines and VHS tapes in the Nineties for anything Pavement-related, calls Malkmus an almost 'mythical figure.' And like Bowie or Dylan, Malmkus has played with personas, cultivating a distance between his public-facing artistic self and the human behind the mask. Perry notes that, since Pavement began, 'Malkmus has presented the idea that he is playing a character' known as 'The Singer.' 'He christened himself with this moniker at the age of, like, 21, to become this other personality,' the director says. 'To hide behind the idea of, 'That's what the singer would do.'' (He cites, by way of example, two early Pavement tunes in this vein, 'Our Singer' and 'Shoot the Singer.') So as Perry set out to design the Malkmuses that Esper and Keery would portray in Pavements, he made sure they had 'nothing to do with the real person.' That's certainly the case with Essem, a small-town boy with big rock dreams, who moves to the city with his girlfriend, becomes successful, meets another girl, and ultimately has to choose between the two. (That this love triangle framework maps almost exactly onto last year's Dylan biopic A Complete Unknown feels like an affirmation of Perry's feelings towards the legacy-act industrial complex.) The name Essem is, of course, a phonetic representation of Malkmus' initials, S.M. But in terms of actual similarities between character and person, there's only the vague echo of Malkmus' own journey from the Central Valley suburb of Stockton, California, to New York City in pursuit of rock & roll. 'To try and do some kind of real, authentic characterization of Stephen Malkmus in this context felt so wildly inappropriate,' Esper says. 'To try and put him in a jukebox musical just feels like it wouldn't serve what they were trying to do [with the film]. It functioned like a ride — you just throw yourself into it and perform that as best you can.' As for the embedded biopic, titled Range Life, Keery says his performance 'is not a direct reflection of Malkmus' but 'the punch-up Hollywood biopic version that they would write' if such a film were to be made. He continues: 'It's not exactly who he was. It's sort of the antithesis of the guy.' (Keery also gets to send up his own profession in several behind-the-scenes-featurette-style sequences, in which he descends into Method acting madness — asking to be called 'Stephen,' working with a voice coach to perfect his imitation of Malkmus' fried California tone, and eventually worrying he might've gone too far.) The Range Life scenes primarily fictionalize a real pivot point in Pavement's story: their brush with Nirvana-sized success with 'Cut Your Hair' and 1994's Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain, followed by the underappreciated triumph of their third album Wowee Zowee. It's perfect fodder for overwrought episodes in which the band and their Matador Records bosses (played by Jason Schwartzman and Tim Heidecker) debate artistic integrity and commercial reality. The most melodramatic moments are emblazoned with an awards-thirsty 'For your consideration' watermark. And yet, it's still rooted in something real, because Perry plucked much of the heavy-handed dialog Keery delivers verbatim from the Wowee Zowee press kit, contemporaneous Malkmus interviews, and things Malkmus told Perry himself. Keery says it was 'stressful' at times to navigate this multifaceted, hyper-meta narrative, but also fun. 'I enjoyed being put into this gray area where it's like, 'Is this really happening? Is this shtick?' It felt like the perfect way to pay homage to the band.' Perry wanted to preserve a sense of mystery around Malkmus, one epitomized by an early shot of the frontman hunched over a desk, writing a set list, back to the camera. 'You obviously see him throughout the movie, but you see him from the back,' Perry says. 'We see Joe and Michael from the front, but the front has a mask on.' Mysterious as Malkmus may be, Perry's instinct reflects something that distinguishes Malkmus from so many other mythical, enigmatic artistic geniuses we scrutinize. Esper pinpoints it, too, when discussing all the time he spent as a teenager poring over Pavement lyrics, learning the band's songs on guitar, and reading any interview he could find: a wariness of ever getting 'too close to knowing too much about' Malkmus himself. This was partly because, Esper jokes, 'I felt like I would discover that he would hate me.' But it was also the sense that behind the Singer was just a normal guy. 'I did feel like to figure out too much about him, his personal history, or even what his intention was lyrically or musically, was a mistake,' Esper says. 'I had some kind of instinct around that boundary, where [with] other musicians, I would do a really deep dive. I'd want to know everything about Bowie or Lou Reed. With him, I really didn't want to know that much.' Having studied and spent time with him, Keery describes Malkmus as someone who's 'just doing things because he loves them. Or not doing things because he doesn't [love them]. Which is something I admire.' And Perry says that while making Pavements he did get to glimpse the 'big Rosetta Stone' when he watched Malkmus interact with his wife and children. 'That's the guy. That's a real person,' Perry says, while also stressing that those moments were completely irrelevant to the film. 'There is no single truth to reach with this kind of character,' Perry says. 'The movie could never singularly decode who this man actually is, nor would that be of any interest to me. The movie can only address the buffoonery of other works of art that attempt to do a version of that.' Nowhere does the film distill this ideal better than the scene where Keery is working with the voice coach and shows her what he says is a photo of Malkmus' actual throat, hoping it might unlock the secret to a perfect performance. Asked — half as a joke, but also out of curiosity to know the extent to which the bit was committed — if that was indeed a photo of Malkmus' throat, Keery deadpans, 'He wouldn't release that. That was a step too far. But I'm still hunting that down. I'm determined to get that tongue pic. I think it will reveal a lot for everyone out there.' Best of Rolling Stone The 50 Best 'Saturday Night Live' Characters of All Time Denzel Washington's Movies Ranked, From Worst to Best 70 Greatest Comedies of the 21st Century

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