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Unpacking Trump's big SCOTUS win

Unpacking Trump's big SCOTUS win

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The Supreme Court cleared the deck today as the justices wrapped up the final official decision day, handing down six rulings and delivering President Donald Trump a major victory as he seeks to carry out his domestic agenda.
Nationwide injunctions
The decision: In a big win for Trump, the court ruled in favor of the administration's request to narrow the scope of nationwide injunctions imposed by judges that blocked his executive order intended to end the right to birthright citizenship. In the 6-3 vote along ideological lines the court 'sharply curtailed the power of individual district court judges to issue injunctions blocking federal government policies nationwide,' POLITICO's Josh Gerstein reports.
The justices said that in most cases, 'judges can only grant relief to the individuals or groups who brought a particular lawsuit and may not extend those decisions to protect other individuals without going through the process of converting a lawsuit into a class action.' Left untouched — at least for now — was the legality of Trump's order.
The opinion: 'The universal injunction was conspicuously nonexistent for most of our Nation's history,' Justice Amy Coney Barrett wrote in the majority opinion, adding that the nationwide injunctions apply 'only to the extent that the injunctions are broader than necessary.'
The dissent: 'The Court's decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law,' Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wrote. Notably, Justice Sonia Sotomayor read her own portion of the dissenting opinion aloud in court for 19 minutes, in a 'signal of the gravity of her concern and the importance of the case,' Josh writes.
The reaction: The White House was quick to celebrate the win. Trump dropped into the briefing room for an impromptu news conference shortly after the ruling, where he said he was 'grateful' to the court 'for stepping in and solving this very … complex issue and making it very simple.' Trump also heaped praise on Barrett — who has recently come under fire from the right — noting her decision was 'brilliantly written.'
What's next: 'It's very possible that nothing has changed re: nationwide injunction on birthright citizenship,' POLITICO's Kyle Cheney points out. 'While the court broadly limited nationwide injunctions, it said states may still be entitled to them if it's necessary for complete relief. Two of the birthright cases were brought by states, who argued they needed nationwide relief because patchwork citizenship rules would be devastating when people move from state to state. If district courts agree, then the nationwide injunctions will remain in place.'
And the majority opinion 'provides no clear roadmap except to say that the executive order 'shall not take effect until 30 days after the date of this opinion,'' POLITICO's Ankush Khardori notes. 'The absence of clear guidance on this point is likely to generate even more disputes — not the least of which is how the administration is going to enforce the executive order while at the same time defending the executive order against the states' pending challenges.'
Obamacare coverage
The decision: In another 6-3 decision, the Supreme Court preserved the provision of the Affordable Care Act that requires insurance companies to cover preventive health services at no cost to patients, POLITICO's Alice Miranda Ollstein and colleagues report.
The analysis: 'Health policy experts and patient advocates who expressed relief that the Trump administration opted to defend Obamacare remain concerned that HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and other officials will now deploy that power to reshape what services must be covered by insurance without copays' and 'could also empower Kennedy to overhaul other advisory panels at HHS,' our colleagues write.
LGBTQ+ lessons
The decision: In another 6-3 ruling, the high court sided with a group of parents who opted to remove their children from classes that include books with LGBTQ+ themes. The decision comes after a group of Muslim, Christian and Jewish parents sued Marylans's Montgomery County Board of Education after the board prevented parents from removing their elementary school children from lessons citing religious reasons. More from POLITICO's Bianca Quilantan
And more …
More action on the way: 'Chief Justice John Roberts announced from the bench that the court plans to issue orders next week on Monday and Thursday,' Josh writes. 'Monday's orders are likely to include grants of review from a conference the justices held yesterday. Thursday's will likely address cases impacted by the decisions handed down this week.'
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7 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW
1. RECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES: Another day, another slew of setbacks for GOP leaders over Trump's sweeping tax and spending legislation. As the Senate scrambles to meet Republicans' self-imposed July 4 deadline, Speaker Mike Johnson is now reluctantly admitting that they may not reach their goal, POLITICO's Meredith Lee Hill reports. 'It's possible,' he told reporters of the timeline slipping, 'but I don't want to even accept that as an option right now.' Even Trump is softening his stance: 'It's not the end all,' Trump said today of the July 4 goal, per POLITICO's Adam Cancryn. 'It can go longer, but we'd like to get it done by that time if possible.'
The crunch: 'With the Senate not expected to start debating the bill until Saturday at the earliest, the House might not get the bill until Sunday. Johnson confirmed he plans to observe a House rule giving members at least 72 hours to review the bill before floor consideration begins. 'The House will not be jammed by anything,' he added.'
SALT on the table: The White House is 'close to clinching an agreement on the state and local tax deduction after a last-ditch flurry of negotiations with blue-state House GOP holdouts and Senate Republicans,' POLITICO's Meredith Lee Hill reports. Johnson said 'a lot of progress' was made on the issue yesterday.
Quote of the day: 'This bill is like yogurt, not wine,' one senator told Semafor's Burgess Everett, who notes that the chamber is racing to 'vote basically immediately' once Republicans get their ducks in a row.
2. TRADING SPACES: The early July deadline for the Trump administration's tariff negotiations with top trading partners also seems to be a moving target. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent noted in a Fox Business interview today that negotiations could stretch as far as Labor Day, POLITICO's Jacob Wendler reports. 'We have 18 important trading partners — U.K., China are behind us for now — and then Secretary [Howard] Lutnick said yesterday that he expects 10 more deals. So, if we can ink 10 or 12 of the important 18 — there are another important 20 relationships — then I think we could have trade wrapped up by Labor Day,' Bessent said.
3. TAKING STOCK: 'Historic Rebound Sends S&P 500 to New Highs,' by WSJ's Karen Langley and Krystal Hur: 'The S&P 500 on Friday touched its first new high since February, capping a dizzying 23% rally from the depths of April's tariff-induced selloff. The wild 89 trading days in between put the broad U.S. stock index on track for its swiftest recovery back to a record close after a decline of at least 15%, according to Dow Jones Market Data. Stocks have climbed in recent sessions after the fragile cease-fire between Israel and Iran sent oil prices lower and fueled optimism that the Middle East could avoid a prolonged conflict.'
4. MIDDLE EAST LATEST: As the Trump administration continues to show confidence in the success of last weekend's strikes on Iran, lawmakers huddled in the Capitol today for a closed-door intelligence briefing on 'Operation Midnight Hammer.' Upon leaving the briefing, Johnson told reporters that the group discussed the need for Iran 'to engage with us in direct good faith talks, negotiations, not through third parties, not through other countries. They need to sit down at the table with us and ensure that this peace is truly lasting,' Johnson said.
Tensions remain high: Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz instructed military personnel today to prepare an 'enforcement plan' that would maintain 'Israel's air superiority, preventing nuclear and missile development, and responding to Iranian support for terrorist activity,' per CNN. Katz told local outlets he would pursue a ''policy of enforcement' against Iran despite a cease-fire, aiming to prevent Tehran from rebuilding its air power, advancing nuclear projects or developing 'threatening long-range missiles,'' NYT's Erika Solomon and Johnatan Reiss report.
5. INTEL ISSUES: Senate Intel Chair Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) has proposed in a new bill a radical reorganization of Tulsi Gabbard's Office of National Intelligence, proposing drastic cuts to its staff, shrinking numbers down from around 1,600 to 650, NBC's Dan De Luce and Gordon Lubold scoop. Gabbard has already slashed staff by 20 percent since stepping into her role as director, though the former presidential candidate reportedly has fallen out of favor with Trump in recent weeks. Still, a staffer notes 'Cotton and other Republican senators have been working on the proposed reform for months and that their effort preceded Gabbard's appointment.'
6. TRIGGER HAPPY: The Department of Government Efficiency has another target in its sights: gun restrictions. DOGE staff have been deployed to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives 'with the goal of revising or eliminating dozens of rules and gun restrictions by July 4' as the White House takes a wrecking ball to the regulatory agency, WaPo's Perry Stein scoops. 'The initial target was to change 47 regulations, an apparent reference to Donald Trump's status as the 47th president of the United States,' but staffers now have 'upward of 50 changes planned.' Though exact details are still unclear, there are also planned tweaks to the form most buyers have to fill out when purchasing a firearm.
7. CALIFORNIA STEAMIN': 'Gavin Newsom sues Fox News for $787M in defamation case over Trump call,' by POLITICO's Tyler Katzenberger: 'The California governor accused Fox News of defamation in a lawsuit Friday morning, alleging the network should fork over $787 million after host Jesse Watters claimed Newsom lied about his phone calls with Trump, who ordered National Guard troops to Los Angeles this month. Newsom's lawyers argue Watters' program misleadingly edited a video of Trump to support the claim.' The response: 'Newsom's transparent publicity stunt is frivolous and designed to chill free speech critical of him. We will defend this case vigorously and look forward to it being dismissed,' Fox News said in a statement.
TALK OF THE TOWN
OUT AND ABOUT — Courier Newsroom hosted a 'Like and Subscribe' happy hour at the Eaton yesterday, celebrating the launch of their podcasts and digital series. The event featured light bites and cocktails, including drinks such as the 'Panic World Paloma' and 'Exit Poll Espresso Martini.' SPOTTED: Akilah Hughes, Ryan Broderick, Grant Irving, Ashley Ray, Nick Kitchel, Patrick Stevenson, Tyler Steinhardt, Teddy Schleifer, Kara Voght, Nancy Scola, Matt Erickson, Colin Delany and Alex Wall.
— NBCUniversal and the Motion Picture Association co-hosted a screening of 'Jurassic World: Rebirth' last night. SPOTTED: Reps. Judy Chu (D-Calif.) and Laura Friedman (D-Calif.), Phil Tahtakran, Charlie Rivkin, Maureen Dowd, Dan Glickman, Neil Fried, Stephen Hartell, Sena Fitzmaurice and Philip Reeker.
— The Washington AI Network hosted its first-ever speakeasy last night at The House at 1229, where guests enjoyed cocktails, karaoke, slushies and ice cream sandwiches. SPOTTED: Tammy Haddad, Jake Denton, Pierson Furnish, Adam Branch, Miriam Vogel, Max Fenkell, Ashley Callen, Mary Kozeny, Mitchell Rivard, Govind Shivkumar, Emma Mears, Cristóbal Alex, Josh Dawsey and Joanna Guy.
— SPOTTED at a NewDEAL happy hour at Crimson Whiskey Bar yesterday honoring New York state Rep. Alex Bores, Alabama state Rep. Jeremy Gray, Hawaii state Sen. Troy Hashimoto, Massachusetts state Rep. Tram Nguyen, Iowa state Rep. Megan Srinivas and Kansas state Rep. Brandon Woodard: Helen Milby, Andy Flick, John McCarthy, Kathleen Mellody, Jon Boughtin, Ted Koutsoubas, Alex Chanen, Scott Quinn, Jonathan Lozier, Ryan Ford, Natasha Dabrowski, Jonathan Dworkin and Aaron Wasserman.
FIRST IN PLAYBOOK — Treasury is bringing in a slate of new senior staff: John Crews will be deputy assistant secretary for financial institutions, Connor Dunn will be deputy assistant secretary for legislative affairs, Spencer Hurwitz will be deputy assistant secretary for public affairs, Ashtyn Landen will be deputy executive secretary, Parastu Malik will be counselor to the chief of staff and chief AI officer …
… Zach Mollengarden will be deputy executive secretary, David O'Brien will be deputy assistant secretary for public affairs, John Poulson will be deputy assistant secretary for legislative affairs, Shane Shannon will be counselor to the general counsel and Cory Wilson will be deputy assistant secretary for the Office of Cybersecurity and Critical Infrastructure Protection.
TRANSITIONS — Karen Paikin Barall is now chief policy officer at the Louis D. Brandeis Center for Human Rights Under Law. She previously was VP of government relations for Jewish Federations of North America. … Erica Goldman is joining Prologue as head of insights and analysis. She previously was managing director of research at Purple Strategies. … Jim Smythers is now senior director for government relations at Stratolaunch. He previously was in the Foreign Service and is a Senate Intelligence Committee alum.
… Lauren Dueck is now SVP and comms director at The Asia Group. She previously was comms director at NOAA's National Environmental Satellite, Data and Information Service. … Claire Trokey will join LinkedIn's U.S. public policy team to lead engagement with the administration and congressional Republicans. She most recently has been policy adviser to House Majority Leader Steve Scalise. … Catherine (Cat) Oakar will be the next executive director of Freshfarm. She most recently was special assistant to the president for public health and disparities in the Domestic Policy Council in the Biden White House.
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Takeaways from the Supreme Court's ruling on power of judges and birthright citizenship
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Takeaways from the Supreme Court's ruling on power of judges and birthright citizenship

The Supreme Court delivered a major win to President Donald Trump on Friday in his ongoing war with the federal judiciary, limiting the power of courts to step in and block policies on a nationwide basis in the short term while judges review their legality. Though the case was intertwined with Trump's executive order effectively ending birthright citizenship, the ruling does not settle the issue of whether the president can enforce that order. And there were signs that lower courts could move swiftly to block the policy. But the high court's decision does mean that Americans seeking to challenge Trump's future policies may have to jump through additional hoops to succeed. Exactly how that will work remains to be seen and will be hashed out by lower courts in coming days. Here's what to know about the court's decision: The Supreme Court's 6-3 ruling could have far-reaching consequences for Trump's second term, even if his birthright citizenship order is never enforced. That's because it will limit the power of courts to strike down other policies in the future. Presidents of both parties have complained about nationwide injunctions for years and Trump has noted, correctly, that there have been far more issued against him than presidents in the past. Lower courts, for instance, have used the orders to temporarily block his efforts to deport migrants under the Alien Enemies Act and prohibit transgender service members in the military. 'This was a big decision,' Trump said from the White House shortly after the ruling was issued. The president described the outcome as an 'amazing decision, one that we're very happy about.' But exactly how future litigation shakes out remains to be seen. Private parties – in the birthright citizenship case, a group of pregnant women who sued – may still be able to get a court to shut down a policy temporarily through a class-action lawsuit. And states may still be able to secure a hold on an administration's policies in the short term as well. By siding with Trump, the conservative Supreme Court ended a term with a second blockbuster decision in his favor for the second time in as many years. Last year, a 6-3 majority ruled that Trump – and other presidents – are at least presumptively immune from criminal prosecution for actions taken in office. The decision allowed Trump to avoid a trial on federal election subversion charges that were pending against him. And since taking office again in January, Trump has won case after case on the Supreme Court's emergency docket. A decision earlier in the week allowing Trump to deport certain migrants to countries other than their homeland marked the 10th time the court has granted a request from Trump on the emergency docket, though a few of those cases amounted to a mixed win for the administration. The court has allowed Trump to fire board members at independent agencies, remove transgender Americans from military service and end other protections for migrants, even those in the country legally. Friday's ruling, from Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who Trump has disparaged behind closed doors, is his biggest win yet. The court's three liberals split from their conservative colleagues' blockbuster ruling in blistering dissents, ringing the alarm on how the decision will permit Trump or future presidents to enforce unlawful policies even as legal challenges to them play out. Justice Sonia Sotomayor, writing for the liberal wing, said the majority had 'shamefully' played along with the administration's 'gamesmanship' in the case, which she described as an attempt to enforce a 'patently unconstitutional' policy by not asking the justices to bless the policy, but instead to limit the power of federal judges around the country. 'The court's decision is nothing less than an open invitation for the Government to bypass the Constitution. The executive branch can now enforce policies that flout settled law and violate countless individuals' constitutional rights, and the federal courts will be hamstrung to stop its actions fully,' she wrote. The court's senior liberal member took the rare step of reading parts of her dissent from the bench on Friday for around 20 minutes. In doing so, she added in a line not included in her written dissent to invoke the court's landmark ruling last year that granted Trump broad immunity from criminal prosecution. 'The other shoe has dropped on executive immunity,' Sotomayor declared from the bench. Separately, in a scathing solo dissent on Friday, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson appeared to raise the stakes of the injunction case even more, accusing her conservative colleagues of creating 'an existential threat to the rule of law' by allowing Trump to 'violate the Constitution.' 'I have no doubt that, if judges must allow the executive to act unlawfully in some circumstances, as the court concludes today, executive lawlessness will flourish, and from there, it is not difficult to predict how this all ends,' she wrote. 'Eventually, executive power will become completely uncontainable, and our beloved constitutional republic will be no more.' Though the court significantly curtailed the ability of Trump's legal foes to get the type of court orders that block or slow down his enforcement of various policies nationwide, the conservative justices left on the table one key legal avenue: class-action lawsuits in which a litigant sues on behalf of a larger group of similarly situated individuals to get relief for all people who could be potentially be affected by a policy. Several groups moved quickly Friday to do just that. The immigrant rights groups and pregnant women challenging Trump's order in Maryland pressed the federal judge who previously blocked the policy to do so again through a class action lawsuit. Such class-action litigation could potentially lead to the same outcome as nationwide injunctions – and during arguments in the case, several justices questioned the significance of shifting the emphasis to class-action suits. One difference is that a judge generally must take the extra step of thinking about who should be covered by an injunction. During arguments in the case in May, Justice Brett Kavanaugh said the difference may be nothing more than 'technicality.' 'We care about technicalities,' he said at the time. 'And this may all be a technicality.' Lawyers for the Maryland plaintiffs asked US District Judge Deborah Boardman to certify a nationwide class that would include any children who have been born or would be born after February 19, 2025, and would be affected by Trump's order. 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‘The Onion' CEO on That Brutal ‘New York Times' Op-Ed: ‘Expect Us in Weird Places'
‘The Onion' CEO on That Brutal ‘New York Times' Op-Ed: ‘Expect Us in Weird Places'

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‘The Onion' CEO on That Brutal ‘New York Times' Op-Ed: ‘Expect Us in Weird Places'

Readers of Sunday's New York Times were treated to an unusual full-page ad from a rival newspaper — the venerated satire periodical The Onion. Most of the available space was taken up by a mocking editorial piece with a headline that blared: 'Congress, Now More Than Ever, Our Nation Needs Your Cowardice.' In a note at the bottom of the page, the company revealed that print copies of the op-ed were being delivered to the very lawmakers it ripped apart as complacent do-nothings under an increasingly authoritarian Donald Trump. And, just by wild coincidence, the stunt came right as the administration barreled ahead with the bombing of Iran, a destabilizing and politically unpopular action that for many Americans recalled the preludes to other catastrophic wars the U.S. has initiated in the Middle East. Whether Congress can successfully challenge Trump's unilateral show of military force — something it is technically obliged to do under the Constitution — remains to be seen. But the smart money is almost always on The Onion's prescient cynicism. More from Rolling Stone 'The Onion' Mocks Congress' 'Cowardice' in 'New York Times' Full Page Editorial Judge Blocks The Onion's Bid to Take Over Alex Jones' Infowars He Wrote The Onion's Famous Mass-Shooting Headline. It Still Haunts Him Here, Ben Collins, who has served as CEO of the 37-year-old publication since it changed owners in April 2024, talks about why the staff decided to make a bold statement in the Gray Lady, the success of their relaunched print model, an ongoing legal battle with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, and how The Onion's writers stay one step ahead of a surreal new normal. So, this op-ed. Can you tell me how that came together, and why this was the moment for it?[The writing staff] have been sitting around looking at the failure of the legislative branch, which I thought was a co-equal branch of our government, but I guess it isn't. We're learning a lot of new stuff all the time. And they really wanted to go for it. The only note that I give them is just, if you are ready to go for it, let's go for it as hard as we can. So we reached out to the New York Times for editorial space. We didn't even know what we were going to put in there yet, necessarily, months ago. I just wanted them to have the ability to do something in that space. And they came up with that headline, and they were like, it's time. They also came up with the idea to mail that headline to Congress. I don't know who was in the room, but somebody on editorial staff was like, why don't we just make this all one thing, let's mail it to Congress, publish it as a full page of the New York Times, and make it a big hairy deal. We're hitting the gas pedal here, and think it's working. Hopefully they should be showing up in the mailboxes of every single congressperson. What kind of a reaction are you expecting?I have no idea! The thing that The Onion does best is it creates, in my opinion, some catharsis. It [allows] people without the full vocabulary for the moment to create a complete sentence for themselves. It allows them to put up a protest sign. We wanted people to understand that they are not alone in feeling particularly helpless in this moment. And we want Congress to understand that maybe they could fucking do something at some point in any capacity about the litany of horrors that we have been subjected to in the last six months. It's also fun to do it in the in the , since their editorial section has advocated for some questionable things over the I mean, we're right back in 2003. The timing is crazy in terms of the the the Iran bombing — I almost called it Iraq, because the language and the op-eds are the same as when I was growing up. I read a David Shields book called War Is Beautiful, it's a collection of New York Times photos of Iraq and Afghanistan where they made war look like this beautiful Disneyfied fireworks display, and that's not what it is. War is fucking brutal and horrible and evil. And it does feel like we're back in this mode where completely disconnected elites are killing people for sadomasochistic enjoyment. I grew up with this, and so did The Onion. This is where The Onion is at its at its best, when they are fully lined up against what is very clearly 'The Man,' and the machine is in full swing, from cable news to the Times op-ed page to the government itself, with every Republican in Congress and some Democrats [embracing] the idea that if we just annihilate some of these people, there will be no consequences. We've been through this before. During the Iraq War, The Onion was one of the only places to stand up against it. It was just, like, The Onion and the fucking Dixie Chicks, and now we're right back in that moment. Thankfully, I think more people can smell that this reeks and are not buying the party line of lobbyists that appear in the mainstream news saying that this will end all of our problems in the Middle East. We're just doing what we did 20 years ago. It's been a little over a year since the leadership shakeup at . What have you learned in that time, and are you feeling a sense of accomplishment a year later?Things have dramatically changed in the media landscape, and the fact that we're important and viewed as truth-tellers is an incredible indictment of the rest of the press. It's insane. I will say I am so deeply proud of the independent journalists out there that have stepped up and have a lot to lose in the face of harassment campaigns and lawfare and the immense power against them — they've done some of the best work ever. That's why we gave the scoop to Marisa Kabas at The Handbasket, she is just one of many people in independent media right now who are doing some of the best and most unafraid journalism I've seen in my lifetime. What we've seen is people who have told the truth and not kowtowed and not just bent over for this administration, or tried to meet halfway on fascism. Those are the places that have done really well. We've gone all in on speaking the truth, despite how dangerous it is now — the truth is incredibly absurd, so it just happens to line up very nicely with our business model. But yeah, it's been both horrible and horrific and and heartening to see that our work is more important than ever. And, you know, I would guess that by the end of the year, we're going to be one of the biggest newspapers in the country by distribution. We ship this paper to all 50 states and over 50 countries. I'm proud of the people who work here because they stood up a newspaper in a three months and have only made it bigger and better and sharper and more incisive. A lot of people would look around at the state of the world and say it's beyond parody or satire. How do your writers think about that and face that challenge?That's a question that we get a lot, and I think that it just shows how hard this is and that you need professionals. What we do is incredibly inefficient, and it's art, and it's hard, and that's what makes us great. We throw away like 150 headlines a day. That's not an exaggeration. Every day, they go in there, they write usually over 150 headlines, and they whittle them down to two or three. Sometimes it's zero. Sometimes nothing comes out of that. And then they they decide, like, is this a video? Is something we grab as a NIB, which stands for 'news in brief.' Where does this live in the Onion universe, basically. And then from there, they build out the joke. It's surgery every single time on each verb and and article and everything. It's just a tremendous amount of work. If Sam Altman or whoever came in here and took over this company, it would be fucking obliterated instantly. Because it's an old-fashioned machine that we have that works really well. We have 40 years of institutional knowledge here. The thing that I've come to realize is there's a math and a science and art to this. I think most people feel that satire is like, turn everything up to 2x speed or just do the inverse or something. I think what The Onion does is like 1.25x speed. It allows you to see into some funhouse future. And it just allows [the writers] to cook a lot easier. They don't overdo it. And by doing that, it kind of like keeps it within the bounds of reality, but in a way that is both funny and biting. There's a strong tradition there, but in this last year, we've seen some big swings that we wouldn't have seen from the old . I realize it didn't quite work, but are we going to see more stuff like the out of bankruptcy?We're still working on that, brother. As I've said, Alex Jones is the Michael Jordan of evading justice. He's gummed up the work so substantially in every way, and scared every judge and every person that he can intimidate. So we're still trying to get through it, and we are confident we'll end up with it by the end of the day, but I don't know when the end of that day is, so we're still fighting. But yes, expect us in weird places. We constantly want to show up, saying the sentence that everybody's thinking but can't say in public right now. We have this incredible market advantage of not being beholden to anybody right now. And it's great for our bottom line. What I'm trying to say is, we're going to be rich. It's a gold mine for us, baby! Expect us to do both the right and the funny thing in incredibly surprising and weird ways in the next few months and hopefully years. We have a bunch of stuff lined up that will hopefully get people off their couch a little bit. We want to be able to say stuff that other people, for institutional reasons, can't say, or they're too afraid to say. You may be the only CEO in America making that in a unique position, certainly. And other places have to learn from this — being afraid all the time and just constantly making transactional moves. How long can you survive like this? What is even the point of being alive if you're just gonna continue managing rot? And it seems like that's what 98 percent of people are doing in these media companies right now. I don't know, take a chance. Nobody likes what's happening. Especially if you're a journalism company or a media company, you're [meant to be] actually reflecting what people want or what people believe. So get some guts and do something interesting. It's not that hard. So that's your advice to ?Him, no, he shouldn't. He should not do anything ever again. He should just stop whatever he's doing. [Those] people who have gotten us to a very bad spot should go take their boats into the ocean and do sea-steading or whatever they keep saying they're going to do. Go light fireworks in the ocean and look at them for the rest of your lives, just be happy. Go away from us, please. I have an ethics question. Your partner, Kat Abughazaleh, is . I was just wondering if you'll abuse your power to endorse her through the through the paper of record.I've been threatening all of everyone in Illinois with personal punishment if they don't say that she's the coolest person who's ever lived. I'm extremely rich. What I do is I drive my Lamborghini to everyone's house and I just berate them at their doorstep. So that's my plan. If you haven't been berated yet by me at your doorstep, or had me shouting at you from the Lamborghini, then, frankly, I haven't done my job. She's fucking great. I'm proud of her. She's doing so good. And yeah, the second that we get into internecine local politics at The Onion is the second that we've lost the plot. Though it is a Chicago paper, after is a Chicago paper. That's correct. I'm assuming we've done some Chicago stuff, right? I'm actually gonna look it up. I don't really know, but let me see if we did, like, a Rod Blagojevich story. Oh, these are fucking ancient. Let's see. 'Rod Blagojevich Trying To Sell Presidential Commutation to Cellmate For $2.8 Million.' Pretty good. So, yeah, there is Illinois politics in general. But no, that whole thing is very strange, because I've never been around actual politics, so to hear it in the other room when I wake up every day — she spends every day just like, pounding on doors and shaking hands. And it's very different lifestyle, certainly. It seems in the nature of that it's going to take rotten people down a notch rather than elevate good politics. But then you had this idea to put up information about gun violence on the Infowars site. Is there room for earnestness at , where it's not just sarcasm? I don't actually think so. I think there are words and there are actions. You can do good deeds with your actions, but in terms of the words that we put out on a day-to-day basis, we are going to remain stupid as fuck and silly, and we're going to try as hard as we can to get to the to the meat of stuff by not telling the truth. That is what The Onion is, writ large. We will obviously do stuff too, we will do whatever we can to make the world better. Hopefully, you'll see that in the next few months, as we kind of grow and build on top of this weird little newspaper empire established in a year. But we don't let anybody get in the way of the actual writing or the editorial or the videos they make, or anything like that. That stuff is sacrosanct, and if we can do some good on the side as a means of getting that writing in front of more people, even better. Good stories are kind of against the law right now. We want to show up in places and make people believe that good things are possible and that you're not going nuts, that things are actually quite exactly as bad as you think they are. And here's, like, a very short sentence that will allow you to think about the world through that construct. That's the whole goal here, man. This interview has been edited for length and clarity. Best of Rolling Stone Every Super Bowl Halftime Show, Ranked From Worst to Best The United States of Weed Gaming Levels Up

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