Joe Rogan reveals how he REALLY feels about that clash with author who challenged him over misinformation
Joe Rogan slammed the famous conservative author who criticized him on his own show, claiming he is 'not an expert' and that he should 'shut the f**k up.'
British political commentator Douglas Murray challenged Rogan over the guests he brings on his show to discuss alternative theories about history and geopolitical issues during his appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience last month.
The podcaster denied that he was treating some of his guests provide 'alternative theories' as serious historians.
After the clash went viral, Donald Trump appeared to back Murray and took to his Truth Social account to promote the author's new book.
On Tuesday, Rogan rehashed the debate with his guest Cameron Hanes, a fellow podcaster and renowned outdoorsman.
Rogan admonished Murray for attacking the qualifications of his guests and claimed the historian uses 'tactics' and not 'facts' in his argument.
'This idea that an expert, like Douglas Murray, I love him dearly, I think he's a brilliant man, [but] he's got a degree in history. Or, excuse me, he's got a degree in English. Bachelor's degree,' Rogan said.
'He's not an expert either. Unless we're talking about Shakespeare. Shut the f**k up. Because you're not an expert either. You know what I mean?'
Hanes agreed, telling Rogan he thought Murray came across as 'pompous' and that damaged his credibility.
'This appeal to experts, just because you have a degree, you're not always right. You're wrong all the time,' Rogan said
'He used tactics rather than facts. So the tactic was an appeal to experts like that. Like that's not what we're here for what we're here for is to get down to business so what he's doing is like putting you on the defensive right away out of the gate.'
The columnist and author told Rogan to his face that he thinks he's responsible for a misinformation problem in society.
'I feel you've opened the door to quite a lot of people who now got a big platform, who have been throwing out counter-historical stuff of a very dangerous kind,' Murray said to Rogan.
Murray offered podcaster Darryl Cooper and Holocaust denier Ian Carroll as examples of the kind of Rogan guests who have shared questionable information.
Daryl Cooper has said that not only did the Nazis not intend to murder millions but that Winston Churchill is the main villain of World War Two.
'These guys are not historians, they're not knowledgeable about anything,' Murray said.
'No one is calling Ian Carroll a historian,' Rogan shot back.
'But then why listen to their views on Churchill?' Murray insisted.
'If you only get the contrary view, which is - "isn't it fun if we all pretend that Churchill was the bad guy of the 20th century?" - at some point you're going to lead people to think that's the view. And that's horses**t of the most profound kind.'
'I don't think about it that way,' Rogan doubled down. 'I just think, I'd like to talk to that person.'
But Murray wasn't having it and concluded: 'There's a point at which "I'm just raising questions" isn't valid anymore... You're not asking questions — you're telling people something.'
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