
'Dangerous': mould and leaking windows plague Mater hospital
A mould that poses a risk to vulnerable patients has been found in the Calvary Mater Hospital as the nurse union raises the alarm about the "dangerous" conditions.
Moisture has become an issue in the Waratah hospital where leaking windows are being patched up with plastic and drained into garbage bins.
Aspergillus mould has been detected in multiple areas in the hospital. The mould is a danger to people with lowered immune systems, very young people and the elderly.
The health district and Calvary say they are working hard to minimise any risk associated with exposure to aspergillus through deep cleaning and installation of additional air filtration units.
NSW Nurses and Midwives Calvary Mater branch secretary Camilla Smith said mould was detected in the ward with the most immunocompromised patients.
"We have mental health and cancer patients and toxicology and drug and alcohol," she said.
"Our cancer patients come from the whole area, so not just the Newcastle area, the whole of Hunter New England.
"They're on immunotherapy, chemotherapy and their immune systems are compromised and the patient leaflet [about the mould] says if you're fit and healthy, this is not such a problem, but it's the fact that it's in spores in the air.
"So if you're unwell, immunocompromised, it can actually end up killing you, so it's pretty significant."
Ms Smith said the windows in two bays of the recovery area and in the tea room leaked when it rained. Plastic and absorbent pads had been taped onto the windows to prevent water entry. The plastic sheets drained water into garbage bins.
"It's embarrassing," she said. "Our tea room is at the end of the hallway, so patients are being wheeled down to theatre, and then if that door is open, what are they looking at? Plastic taped to windows - it doesn't look great, does it?"
"If you were being wheeled down to have an operation, you wouldn't exactly think 'wow, great'.
"Even for the staff, that's the place that you can go and have your break, but it's wet. You're constantly having to check where things are. You can't have the electrical panels on. It's just dangerous, basically."
Hunter New England Local Health District executive director operations Susan Heyman said additional steps had been taken to minimise the risk of mould transmission, including deep cleaning and installing additional air filtration units in the affected areas of the hospital.
"I want to assure the community that, alongside hospital management, we are working hard to minimise any risk associated with exposure to Aspergillus, which was recently detected at the Calvary Mater Newcastle," Ms Heyman said.
"The Calvary Mater Newcastle team has now spoken to all impacted patients and staff members.
"We acknowledge that this information may cause some distress or concern to our patients and staff.
"I assure the community that we are taking these actions to minimise any potential risks of exposure, while appropriate next steps are determined.
"We will continue to keep staff and patients updated."
Ms Smith said the situation was proof that the hospital's public-private partnership model did not work.
Facility management services at the Calvary Mater are delivered by a consortium called Novacare under a public-private partnership.
Novacare comprises four companies: Westpac Banking, Abigroup, Honeywell and Medirest.
Novacare subcontracted its hard facilities management to Honeywell. Honeywell said it was not in a position to comment and directed questions to the state government.
"There's basically this fighting about who should pay for the bill because basically the whole facade of the building has to be resealed," Ms Smith said.
"They need to stop blaming each other and actually just fix the problem. These public-private partnerships don't work. You can't put people's lives at risk to make some money."
Ms Smith said this was exemplified by Joe's Law, which bans public-private partnerships in acute hospitals. It is named after two-year-old Joe Massa, who died from a cardiac arrest after his parents took him to the emergency department of the Northern Beaches Hospital.
"The government needs to just put their hand up and say 'we've got it wrong, the public-private partnerships don't work' and the hospital needs to come back under a fully public system," she said.
A mould that poses a risk to vulnerable patients has been found in the Calvary Mater Hospital as the nurse union raises the alarm about the "dangerous" conditions.
Moisture has become an issue in the Waratah hospital where leaking windows are being patched up with plastic and drained into garbage bins.
Aspergillus mould has been detected in multiple areas in the hospital. The mould is a danger to people with lowered immune systems, very young people and the elderly.
The health district and Calvary say they are working hard to minimise any risk associated with exposure to aspergillus through deep cleaning and installation of additional air filtration units.
NSW Nurses and Midwives Calvary Mater branch secretary Camilla Smith said mould was detected in the ward with the most immunocompromised patients.
"We have mental health and cancer patients and toxicology and drug and alcohol," she said.
"Our cancer patients come from the whole area, so not just the Newcastle area, the whole of Hunter New England.
"They're on immunotherapy, chemotherapy and their immune systems are compromised and the patient leaflet [about the mould] says if you're fit and healthy, this is not such a problem, but it's the fact that it's in spores in the air.
"So if you're unwell, immunocompromised, it can actually end up killing you, so it's pretty significant."
Ms Smith said the windows in two bays of the recovery area and in the tea room leaked when it rained. Plastic and absorbent pads had been taped onto the windows to prevent water entry. The plastic sheets drained water into garbage bins.
"It's embarrassing," she said. "Our tea room is at the end of the hallway, so patients are being wheeled down to theatre, and then if that door is open, what are they looking at? Plastic taped to windows - it doesn't look great, does it?"
"If you were being wheeled down to have an operation, you wouldn't exactly think 'wow, great'.
"Even for the staff, that's the place that you can go and have your break, but it's wet. You're constantly having to check where things are. You can't have the electrical panels on. It's just dangerous, basically."
Hunter New England Local Health District executive director operations Susan Heyman said additional steps had been taken to minimise the risk of mould transmission, including deep cleaning and installing additional air filtration units in the affected areas of the hospital.
"I want to assure the community that, alongside hospital management, we are working hard to minimise any risk associated with exposure to Aspergillus, which was recently detected at the Calvary Mater Newcastle," Ms Heyman said.
"The Calvary Mater Newcastle team has now spoken to all impacted patients and staff members.
"We acknowledge that this information may cause some distress or concern to our patients and staff.
"I assure the community that we are taking these actions to minimise any potential risks of exposure, while appropriate next steps are determined.
"We will continue to keep staff and patients updated."
Ms Smith said the situation was proof that the hospital's public-private partnership model did not work.
Facility management services at the Calvary Mater are delivered by a consortium called Novacare under a public-private partnership.
Novacare comprises four companies: Westpac Banking, Abigroup, Honeywell and Medirest.
Novacare subcontracted its hard facilities management to Honeywell. Honeywell said it was not in a position to comment and directed questions to the state government.
"There's basically this fighting about who should pay for the bill because basically the whole facade of the building has to be resealed," Ms Smith said.
"They need to stop blaming each other and actually just fix the problem. These public-private partnerships don't work. You can't put people's lives at risk to make some money."
Ms Smith said this was exemplified by Joe's Law, which bans public-private partnerships in acute hospitals. It is named after two-year-old Joe Massa, who died from a cardiac arrest after his parents took him to the emergency department of the Northern Beaches Hospital.
"The government needs to just put their hand up and say 'we've got it wrong, the public-private partnerships don't work' and the hospital needs to come back under a fully public system," she said.
A mould that poses a risk to vulnerable patients has been found in the Calvary Mater Hospital as the nurse union raises the alarm about the "dangerous" conditions.
Moisture has become an issue in the Waratah hospital where leaking windows are being patched up with plastic and drained into garbage bins.
Aspergillus mould has been detected in multiple areas in the hospital. The mould is a danger to people with lowered immune systems, very young people and the elderly.
The health district and Calvary say they are working hard to minimise any risk associated with exposure to aspergillus through deep cleaning and installation of additional air filtration units.
NSW Nurses and Midwives Calvary Mater branch secretary Camilla Smith said mould was detected in the ward with the most immunocompromised patients.
"We have mental health and cancer patients and toxicology and drug and alcohol," she said.
"Our cancer patients come from the whole area, so not just the Newcastle area, the whole of Hunter New England.
"They're on immunotherapy, chemotherapy and their immune systems are compromised and the patient leaflet [about the mould] says if you're fit and healthy, this is not such a problem, but it's the fact that it's in spores in the air.
"So if you're unwell, immunocompromised, it can actually end up killing you, so it's pretty significant."
Ms Smith said the windows in two bays of the recovery area and in the tea room leaked when it rained. Plastic and absorbent pads had been taped onto the windows to prevent water entry. The plastic sheets drained water into garbage bins.
"It's embarrassing," she said. "Our tea room is at the end of the hallway, so patients are being wheeled down to theatre, and then if that door is open, what are they looking at? Plastic taped to windows - it doesn't look great, does it?"
"If you were being wheeled down to have an operation, you wouldn't exactly think 'wow, great'.
"Even for the staff, that's the place that you can go and have your break, but it's wet. You're constantly having to check where things are. You can't have the electrical panels on. It's just dangerous, basically."
Hunter New England Local Health District executive director operations Susan Heyman said additional steps had been taken to minimise the risk of mould transmission, including deep cleaning and installing additional air filtration units in the affected areas of the hospital.
"I want to assure the community that, alongside hospital management, we are working hard to minimise any risk associated with exposure to Aspergillus, which was recently detected at the Calvary Mater Newcastle," Ms Heyman said.
"The Calvary Mater Newcastle team has now spoken to all impacted patients and staff members.
"We acknowledge that this information may cause some distress or concern to our patients and staff.
"I assure the community that we are taking these actions to minimise any potential risks of exposure, while appropriate next steps are determined.
"We will continue to keep staff and patients updated."
Ms Smith said the situation was proof that the hospital's public-private partnership model did not work.
Facility management services at the Calvary Mater are delivered by a consortium called Novacare under a public-private partnership.
Novacare comprises four companies: Westpac Banking, Abigroup, Honeywell and Medirest.
Novacare subcontracted its hard facilities management to Honeywell. Honeywell said it was not in a position to comment and directed questions to the state government.
"There's basically this fighting about who should pay for the bill because basically the whole facade of the building has to be resealed," Ms Smith said.
"They need to stop blaming each other and actually just fix the problem. These public-private partnerships don't work. You can't put people's lives at risk to make some money."
Ms Smith said this was exemplified by Joe's Law, which bans public-private partnerships in acute hospitals. It is named after two-year-old Joe Massa, who died from a cardiac arrest after his parents took him to the emergency department of the Northern Beaches Hospital.
"The government needs to just put their hand up and say 'we've got it wrong, the public-private partnerships don't work' and the hospital needs to come back under a fully public system," she said.
A mould that poses a risk to vulnerable patients has been found in the Calvary Mater Hospital as the nurse union raises the alarm about the "dangerous" conditions.
Moisture has become an issue in the Waratah hospital where leaking windows are being patched up with plastic and drained into garbage bins.
Aspergillus mould has been detected in multiple areas in the hospital. The mould is a danger to people with lowered immune systems, very young people and the elderly.
The health district and Calvary say they are working hard to minimise any risk associated with exposure to aspergillus through deep cleaning and installation of additional air filtration units.
NSW Nurses and Midwives Calvary Mater branch secretary Camilla Smith said mould was detected in the ward with the most immunocompromised patients.
"We have mental health and cancer patients and toxicology and drug and alcohol," she said.
"Our cancer patients come from the whole area, so not just the Newcastle area, the whole of Hunter New England.
"They're on immunotherapy, chemotherapy and their immune systems are compromised and the patient leaflet [about the mould] says if you're fit and healthy, this is not such a problem, but it's the fact that it's in spores in the air.
"So if you're unwell, immunocompromised, it can actually end up killing you, so it's pretty significant."
Ms Smith said the windows in two bays of the recovery area and in the tea room leaked when it rained. Plastic and absorbent pads had been taped onto the windows to prevent water entry. The plastic sheets drained water into garbage bins.
"It's embarrassing," she said. "Our tea room is at the end of the hallway, so patients are being wheeled down to theatre, and then if that door is open, what are they looking at? Plastic taped to windows - it doesn't look great, does it?"
"If you were being wheeled down to have an operation, you wouldn't exactly think 'wow, great'.
"Even for the staff, that's the place that you can go and have your break, but it's wet. You're constantly having to check where things are. You can't have the electrical panels on. It's just dangerous, basically."
Hunter New England Local Health District executive director operations Susan Heyman said additional steps had been taken to minimise the risk of mould transmission, including deep cleaning and installing additional air filtration units in the affected areas of the hospital.
"I want to assure the community that, alongside hospital management, we are working hard to minimise any risk associated with exposure to Aspergillus, which was recently detected at the Calvary Mater Newcastle," Ms Heyman said.
"The Calvary Mater Newcastle team has now spoken to all impacted patients and staff members.
"We acknowledge that this information may cause some distress or concern to our patients and staff.
"I assure the community that we are taking these actions to minimise any potential risks of exposure, while appropriate next steps are determined.
"We will continue to keep staff and patients updated."
Ms Smith said the situation was proof that the hospital's public-private partnership model did not work.
Facility management services at the Calvary Mater are delivered by a consortium called Novacare under a public-private partnership.
Novacare comprises four companies: Westpac Banking, Abigroup, Honeywell and Medirest.
Novacare subcontracted its hard facilities management to Honeywell. Honeywell said it was not in a position to comment and directed questions to the state government.
"There's basically this fighting about who should pay for the bill because basically the whole facade of the building has to be resealed," Ms Smith said.
"They need to stop blaming each other and actually just fix the problem. These public-private partnerships don't work. You can't put people's lives at risk to make some money."
Ms Smith said this was exemplified by Joe's Law, which bans public-private partnerships in acute hospitals. It is named after two-year-old Joe Massa, who died from a cardiac arrest after his parents took him to the emergency department of the Northern Beaches Hospital.
"The government needs to just put their hand up and say 'we've got it wrong, the public-private partnerships don't work' and the hospital needs to come back under a fully public system," she said.

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7 days ago
- The Advertiser
Electric shocks, slips and mould: SafeWork serves notice to hospital
SafeWork has cracked down on the dangerous work environment at the Calvary Mater Hospital, ordering several issues to be fixed. Hunter New England Health has been issued with an improvement notice, which found it had failed to ensure reasonable health and safety due to risks of "slips, electric shock and inhalation of mould spores from rain water ingress and humidity". The notice, which also found the contractual building management system was inadequate, was served to HNEH as the owners of the building. The SafeWork order comes after NSW Health Minister Ryan Park met with the hospital's administrators to discuss a mould outbreak in the building's airconditioners, including in a ward with immunocompromised patients. The Newcastle Herald recently revealed SafeWork inspected the hospital in April, but missed the issues, including leaks that caused internal flooding and forced chemotherapy treatments to be cancelled. NSW Nurses and Midwives Association Calvary Mater branch secretary Camilla Smith said despite the improvement notice, the hospital's work environment remained dangerous to staff and patients. "We're glad to to see progress, but we'll be feeling a lot better when the problems are actually fixed," Ms Smith said. "We shouldn't have got here in the first place. We've been let down by the lack of transparency and staff don't trust the management of the building." The lack of action to fix the Mater's ongoing issues has brought the hospital's complicated management structure under scrutiny. The Mater is managed under a public-private partnership (PPP) by a consortium called Novacare, which is composed of four companies: Westpac Banking, Abigroup, Honeywell and Medirest. Novacare director James Ward said the company couldn't comment as it was "bound by confidentiality requirements", and any response would need approval from the state government. HNEH and the NSW Health Minister have repeatedly stated Novacare was responsible for the hospital's infrastructure and maintenance. "Minister Park and [Calvary Health Care CEO] Martin Bowles both agreed that it needs to be resolved as a matter of priority and urgency," a spokesperson for the Health Minister said. "Work is being undertaken to address the situation as quickly as possible." In March, the government passed Joe's Law to ban future PPPs for the state's acute hospitals after the death of a toddler at Northern Beaches Hospital. Mr Park has previously stated he does not support PPPs for future acute hospitals. Ms Smith said Mater's maintenance mess was more evidence PPPs were no longer fit for purpose. "You've got a private company trying to make a profit of managing an acute care hospital, so when problems arise and money needs to be spent, no one wants to foot the bill," she said. HNEH confirmed it had received the SafeWork notice and was working with its partners and contractors, including NovaCare, to determine appropriate remediations. SafeWork has cracked down on the dangerous work environment at the Calvary Mater Hospital, ordering several issues to be fixed. Hunter New England Health has been issued with an improvement notice, which found it had failed to ensure reasonable health and safety due to risks of "slips, electric shock and inhalation of mould spores from rain water ingress and humidity". The notice, which also found the contractual building management system was inadequate, was served to HNEH as the owners of the building. The SafeWork order comes after NSW Health Minister Ryan Park met with the hospital's administrators to discuss a mould outbreak in the building's airconditioners, including in a ward with immunocompromised patients. The Newcastle Herald recently revealed SafeWork inspected the hospital in April, but missed the issues, including leaks that caused internal flooding and forced chemotherapy treatments to be cancelled. NSW Nurses and Midwives Association Calvary Mater branch secretary Camilla Smith said despite the improvement notice, the hospital's work environment remained dangerous to staff and patients. "We're glad to to see progress, but we'll be feeling a lot better when the problems are actually fixed," Ms Smith said. "We shouldn't have got here in the first place. We've been let down by the lack of transparency and staff don't trust the management of the building." The lack of action to fix the Mater's ongoing issues has brought the hospital's complicated management structure under scrutiny. The Mater is managed under a public-private partnership (PPP) by a consortium called Novacare, which is composed of four companies: Westpac Banking, Abigroup, Honeywell and Medirest. Novacare director James Ward said the company couldn't comment as it was "bound by confidentiality requirements", and any response would need approval from the state government. HNEH and the NSW Health Minister have repeatedly stated Novacare was responsible for the hospital's infrastructure and maintenance. "Minister Park and [Calvary Health Care CEO] Martin Bowles both agreed that it needs to be resolved as a matter of priority and urgency," a spokesperson for the Health Minister said. "Work is being undertaken to address the situation as quickly as possible." In March, the government passed Joe's Law to ban future PPPs for the state's acute hospitals after the death of a toddler at Northern Beaches Hospital. Mr Park has previously stated he does not support PPPs for future acute hospitals. Ms Smith said Mater's maintenance mess was more evidence PPPs were no longer fit for purpose. "You've got a private company trying to make a profit of managing an acute care hospital, so when problems arise and money needs to be spent, no one wants to foot the bill," she said. HNEH confirmed it had received the SafeWork notice and was working with its partners and contractors, including NovaCare, to determine appropriate remediations. SafeWork has cracked down on the dangerous work environment at the Calvary Mater Hospital, ordering several issues to be fixed. Hunter New England Health has been issued with an improvement notice, which found it had failed to ensure reasonable health and safety due to risks of "slips, electric shock and inhalation of mould spores from rain water ingress and humidity". The notice, which also found the contractual building management system was inadequate, was served to HNEH as the owners of the building. The SafeWork order comes after NSW Health Minister Ryan Park met with the hospital's administrators to discuss a mould outbreak in the building's airconditioners, including in a ward with immunocompromised patients. The Newcastle Herald recently revealed SafeWork inspected the hospital in April, but missed the issues, including leaks that caused internal flooding and forced chemotherapy treatments to be cancelled. NSW Nurses and Midwives Association Calvary Mater branch secretary Camilla Smith said despite the improvement notice, the hospital's work environment remained dangerous to staff and patients. "We're glad to to see progress, but we'll be feeling a lot better when the problems are actually fixed," Ms Smith said. "We shouldn't have got here in the first place. We've been let down by the lack of transparency and staff don't trust the management of the building." The lack of action to fix the Mater's ongoing issues has brought the hospital's complicated management structure under scrutiny. The Mater is managed under a public-private partnership (PPP) by a consortium called Novacare, which is composed of four companies: Westpac Banking, Abigroup, Honeywell and Medirest. Novacare director James Ward said the company couldn't comment as it was "bound by confidentiality requirements", and any response would need approval from the state government. HNEH and the NSW Health Minister have repeatedly stated Novacare was responsible for the hospital's infrastructure and maintenance. "Minister Park and [Calvary Health Care CEO] Martin Bowles both agreed that it needs to be resolved as a matter of priority and urgency," a spokesperson for the Health Minister said. "Work is being undertaken to address the situation as quickly as possible." In March, the government passed Joe's Law to ban future PPPs for the state's acute hospitals after the death of a toddler at Northern Beaches Hospital. Mr Park has previously stated he does not support PPPs for future acute hospitals. Ms Smith said Mater's maintenance mess was more evidence PPPs were no longer fit for purpose. "You've got a private company trying to make a profit of managing an acute care hospital, so when problems arise and money needs to be spent, no one wants to foot the bill," she said. HNEH confirmed it had received the SafeWork notice and was working with its partners and contractors, including NovaCare, to determine appropriate remediations. SafeWork has cracked down on the dangerous work environment at the Calvary Mater Hospital, ordering several issues to be fixed. Hunter New England Health has been issued with an improvement notice, which found it had failed to ensure reasonable health and safety due to risks of "slips, electric shock and inhalation of mould spores from rain water ingress and humidity". The notice, which also found the contractual building management system was inadequate, was served to HNEH as the owners of the building. The SafeWork order comes after NSW Health Minister Ryan Park met with the hospital's administrators to discuss a mould outbreak in the building's airconditioners, including in a ward with immunocompromised patients. The Newcastle Herald recently revealed SafeWork inspected the hospital in April, but missed the issues, including leaks that caused internal flooding and forced chemotherapy treatments to be cancelled. NSW Nurses and Midwives Association Calvary Mater branch secretary Camilla Smith said despite the improvement notice, the hospital's work environment remained dangerous to staff and patients. "We're glad to to see progress, but we'll be feeling a lot better when the problems are actually fixed," Ms Smith said. "We shouldn't have got here in the first place. We've been let down by the lack of transparency and staff don't trust the management of the building." The lack of action to fix the Mater's ongoing issues has brought the hospital's complicated management structure under scrutiny. The Mater is managed under a public-private partnership (PPP) by a consortium called Novacare, which is composed of four companies: Westpac Banking, Abigroup, Honeywell and Medirest. Novacare director James Ward said the company couldn't comment as it was "bound by confidentiality requirements", and any response would need approval from the state government. HNEH and the NSW Health Minister have repeatedly stated Novacare was responsible for the hospital's infrastructure and maintenance. "Minister Park and [Calvary Health Care CEO] Martin Bowles both agreed that it needs to be resolved as a matter of priority and urgency," a spokesperson for the Health Minister said. "Work is being undertaken to address the situation as quickly as possible." In March, the government passed Joe's Law to ban future PPPs for the state's acute hospitals after the death of a toddler at Northern Beaches Hospital. Mr Park has previously stated he does not support PPPs for future acute hospitals. Ms Smith said Mater's maintenance mess was more evidence PPPs were no longer fit for purpose. "You've got a private company trying to make a profit of managing an acute care hospital, so when problems arise and money needs to be spent, no one wants to foot the bill," she said. HNEH confirmed it had received the SafeWork notice and was working with its partners and contractors, including NovaCare, to determine appropriate remediations.

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- Sydney Morning Herald
‘A bad spiral': Bailey Smith opens up on the panic attacks, mental health struggles that led him to seek help
Geelong star Bailey Smith has laid bare his struggles with anxiety and his efforts to restore his mental health after he fell into 'quite a bad spiral' during his recovery from a serious knee injury last year. In a revealing and rare interview, the 24-year-old who has started his Cats career in brilliant form, opened up on the professional and personal support he received after falling to rock bottom and realising the need to 'sort my shit out'. 'I fell into quite a bad spiral where I had my knee [injury]. I did not have the mask of footy and all of that sort of stuff to really distract me from what was going on internally,' Smith said. 'When you have to sit with yourself and be your own source of entertainment, fulfillment [and] stimulation, that's when to look inward and realise, 'Shit I am pretty f----- up and I need to sort my shit out'.' Smith was speaking on the Real Stuff podcast, which goes to air on Wednesday, as an ambassador for Stuff That Matters. One of the most marketable stars in the game said he had struggled with his mental health since he was a teenager, but it had taken him a long time to seek the support he needed. 'I still see my psych to this day and worked on those new routines and new habits in terms of meditation and ways to look inward. It was a pretty tough time,' Smith said. Smith has often been in the spotlight since his trade from the Western Bulldogs to the Cats, in part because of provocative comments in television interviews or on social media, but he said his public image did not make him immune from mental health issues. He was willing to talk about his experiences to de-stigmatise conversations about emotional wellbeing.

The Age
27-05-2025
- The Age
‘A bad spiral': Bailey Smith opens up on the panic attacks, mental health struggles that led him to seek help
Geelong star Bailey Smith has laid bare his struggles with anxiety and his efforts to restore his mental health after he fell into 'quite a bad spiral' during his recovery from a serious knee injury last year. In a revealing and rare interview, the 24-year-old who has started his Cats career in brilliant form, opened up on the professional and personal support he received after falling to rock bottom and realising the need to 'sort my shit out'. 'I fell into quite a bad spiral where I had my knee [injury]. I did not have the mask of footy and all of that sort of stuff to really distract me from what was going on internally,' Smith said. 'When you have to sit with yourself and be your own source of entertainment, fulfillment [and] stimulation, that's when to look inward and realise, 'Shit I am pretty f----- up and I need to sort my shit out'.' Smith was speaking on the Real Stuff podcast, which goes to air on Wednesday, as an ambassador for Stuff That Matters. One of the most marketable stars in the game said he had struggled with his mental health since he was a teenager, but it had taken him a long time to seek the support he needed. 'I still see my psych to this day and worked on those new routines and new habits in terms of meditation and ways to look inward. It was a pretty tough time,' Smith said. Smith has often been in the spotlight since his trade from the Western Bulldogs to the Cats, in part because of provocative comments in television interviews or on social media, but he said his public image did not make him immune from mental health issues. He was willing to talk about his experiences to de-stigmatise conversations about emotional wellbeing.