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Londoner Rob Edwards is the founder of Morley Sports Management (MSM), a multi-sport ownership and consultancy group with an unconventional playbook. A former finance professional turned entrepreneur, Edwards first made headlines during lockdown when he bought a struggling Welsh football club off the back of a speculative email. Five years later, Haverfordwest County AFC has qualified for Europe twice and built one of the strongest youth programmes in the country.
Now, Edward's next project is even more newsworthy: revitalising Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW) - the cult US wrestling promotion that launched the careers of John Cena, Batista, and Brock Lesnar. Under his leadership, OVW is undergoing a grassroots revival built on a fan-first strategy, community value, and global ambition. From Pembrokeshire to Kentucky, Rob is quietly rewriting the rules of modern sports ownership. But this is just the beginning.
What was your biggest challenge and how did you overcome it?
Taking over a football club during a global pandemic. I live six hours away. I couldn't get there, and I'd never had any experience of running a football club. It was going in blind, but I knew instinctively it had potential. I knew I was never going to relocate, so from day one I had to invest in people. If people don't buy into the values, they don't stick around very long. But if they do, you can build something with a clear vision. We've built the best off-field team I could have hoped for – people who are passionate and dedicated and who've completely bought into our dream. It's the same now with OVW in Kentucky. It's a long way away again, a lot of passionate people, but it lacked clear direction. The job is to empower people, put them in the right places, and give them credit for what they achieve.
How did you secure your initial funding?
There's been minimal outside investment. Most came off the back of my previous business and my career in finance. The barrier to entry for Welsh football isn't huge, it's very accessible – financially and structurally. It gave us the opportunity to step in and try to build something different from the ground up. Because of our experience with Haverfordwest County AFC in Wales, we saw a similar opportunity with OVW in Kentucky. It's an under-appreciated asset in the industry in modern times, but there's massive potential.
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How do you handle failure or setbacks?
You need to stay calm and logical. Not everything goes your way – and when it doesn't, the worst thing you can do is get flustered. I tend not to get too up or too down. I've always kept that middle ground. If you walked past me after a major success or a big loss, you probably wouldn't notice a difference. That's always been my demeanour. It's about focusing on the bigger picture. If something's going wrong, stay objective and work out how far you've gone off path. Then you need to be measured and methodical about how you fix it.
What advice would you give to someone starting their own business?
Have self-confidence and be open-minded. When I took over the football club, I had no background in it, but I trusted my instincts. I used experience, common sense, and values that mattered to me. That's been the foundation. We're trying to build businesses founded on community and social impact. With those fundamentals in place, commercial success will come. You've got to believe in what you stand for. If you stay true to your values inside and outside of business, you can build something meaningful.
How do you stay motivated during tough times?
I need stimulation. I've never been able to sit still. I wake up when the sun comes up and my brain kicks in – I'm raring to go. I'm impulsive. If I get an idea in my head, I'm all in. What keeps me going is being disruptive, pushing things forward, coming up with new ideas and concepts. With both the football club and OVW, we're constantly evolving – and on top of that we've got consultancy work and partnerships with sporting brands. That forward momentum is what wakes me up in the morning. There's always a new problem to solve.
What are your top tips for success?
Be confident in your ability – if you're leading a business and people don't buy into you, it won't work. People buy in to people. Investment in people is 100% at the heart of our model. We're not always on the ground, so we need to trust the teams to run with the vision. But we also lead from the front – if you want people to dive into the trenches, you need to be the one starting the charge. I'm quite demanding, but only because I hold myself to that same standard.

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Inside Thomas Frank's Tottenham Hotspur appointment

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Everything to know on Soccer Aid 2025 including how to watch and the squads
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Arise, Sir David: But what does Beckham's knighthood entail, and what does it mean?
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Arise, Sir David: But what does Beckham's knighthood entail, and what does it mean?

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And the other names on the list mean that Manchester United can now claim to have contributed four knights of the realm — more than any other club. One was Matt Busby, the manager who led United from the horrors of the 1958 Munich air disaster to winning the European Cup a decade later. Bobby Charlton, who was alongside him during those moments of tragedy and glory, was another. Then, of course, there is Alex Ferguson, whose knighthood was rushed through in 1999 only weeks after he steered United to an unprecedented treble of Champions League, Premier League and FA Cup. So, how does it all work? And how does the honours committee — a body made up of politicians and senior civil servants — go about informing the relevant people they are under consideration? With great secrecy, is the short answer. 'You get a few months' notice,' says Brendan Foster, the former long-distance runner who was knighted in 2020. 'An email comes through saying they are minded to give you a knighthood, and asking whether you would want to accept; and you have to keep it a secret, otherwise you're in trouble.' Foster, regarded as the voice of British athletics because of his long and distinguished commentary career with the BBC after retiring from the sport, is also the founder of the Great North Run, the largest half-marathon in the world. He received his knighthood from Princess Anne, once an equestrian athlete who had competed with him in Great Britain's squad at the 1976 Olympic Games, rather than her mother, Queen Elizabeth II. 'You think about the people who have helped you get where you are,' says Foster, recalling his knighthood ceremony. 'You think about your parents, your coaches, the guys you trained with and everyone else who helped. But you also think about the country. This is a great country and anybody who accepts the honours is, by definition, saying, 'I'm proud of the country I live in'.' Advertisement Most of the time, the knights-elect receive their insignia at either Buckingham Palace in London or Windsor Castle, when the protocol is to kneel on your right knee while the King, or another member of the royal family, touches your right shoulder, then the left one, with a bare sword blade. For females, the equivalent is to be made a Dame. After that, it is the individual's choice whether they want to use their new title. Foster, for example, says he is '50-50' about using 'Sir', though he jokes that it comes in handy when he needs to make a restaurant booking. Anthony Hopkins, knighted by the Queen in 1993, also found it a dilemma. 'I only ever use the title in the U.S.,' the actor explained. 'The Americans insist on it, and get offended if I don't.' Ferguson, statistically the most successful manager in British football history, had some misgivings of his own, despite having previously been given an OBE (Officer of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire) and CBE (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) — two of the awards beneath a knighthood in rank — in 1985 and 1995 respectively. He and his wife were worried about the extra commitments the new title might involve (although there are no special requirements) and how it might look, with them hailing from a working-class background in the Scottish city of Glasgow, to be known as Sir Alex and Lady Cathy. 'I put it to the family,' Ferguson revealed in a 2000 interview with the official Manchester United magazine, 'and Cathy was a bit, 'Oh, I don't know, what would your father think?'. And my son said, 'Mum, it's nothing to do with Dad's parents. They're gone. They'd be proud of him — you can't refuse this, it's recognition of what he's done'. We had a discussion and decided it was right.' In 2020, it was revealed that the number of people refusing an honour was 68 out of 2,504 offered (2.7 per cent), whereas there were only 277 occasions from 1951 to 1999 when somebody took that stance. So the frequency with which people say 'Thanks, but no thanks' is going up. Realistically, though, Beckham's name was never going to be added to a list that includes singer David Bowie, physicist Professor Stephen Hawking, the ex-Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone and, on five occasions for various honours including a knighthood, artist LS Lowry. The only awkwardness here is that Beckham, awarded an OBE in the Queen's birthday list in 2003, will probably never be allowed to forget the controversy in 2017 when leaked emails, from four years earlier, showed his anger about being rejected for a knighthood. The emails had been hacked from a company associated with his then-representative, Simon Oliveira, and were published by a variety of newspapers, showing him branding the honours committee 'unappreciative c**ts' and insisting he didn't 'care about being knighted'. The email exchanges also revealed the UK authorities had concerns over Beckham's tax affairs. Advertisement And now? Nobody should be surprised he has finally got his wish, bearing in mind his career achievements and several other factors that may or may not have counted in his favour. He is, after all, on friendly terms with Prince William, Charles' eldest son, and has banqueted at Buckingham Palace as a guest of the King (they are said to have bonded over a shared love of making honey). Plus, who could forget Beckham standing for 12 hours in the queue of people to see the late Queen lying in state in central London's Westminster Hall following her death in 2022? All that is left, perhaps, is to see whether the six-time Premier League champion chooses to call himself Sir David or takes a similar approach to the manager who gave him his professional debut. 'Ferguson found the title uncomfortable for a while,' Michael Crick wrote in The Boss, his 2002 biography of the Scot, noting how the subject of the book 'refused to sign himself 'Sir Alex' when asked to by a woman autograph-hunter shortly afterwards.'

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