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Rob McElhenney Recalls 'Humiliating And Terrible' Experience Of Getting Cut From Feature Debut In ‘The Devil's Own'

Rob McElhenney Recalls 'Humiliating And Terrible' Experience Of Getting Cut From Feature Debut In ‘The Devil's Own'

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Rob McElhenney may have been cut out of last year's Deadpool & Wolverine, but a previous acting experience of his blotted out from another film stung more.
Appearing on Sean Evans' Hot Ones interview program, the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia star and co-creator addressed a particular core memory from the industry that isn't as bright and cheery: his vanishing from the 1997 Columbia Pictures' The Devil's Own, centering on an Irish American policeman (Harrison Ford) and IRA extremist (Brad Pitt).
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'Not even close, by a country mile: getting cut out of The Devil's Own,' McElhenney said. 'That was one of the most humiliating and terrible experiences of my life because it was my first acting job in a movie. I got to do a scene with Harrison Ford, I got to do a scene with Brad Pitt, I got to do a scene with Julia Stiles, Rubén Blades — all these incredible actors.'
He continued, 'Then the movie's coming out, and I notice I don't get an invite to the premiere or the friends and family screening, but I'm still just starting out — I'm like 19 or something, 18, I'm thinking, 'Oh, it'll be fine.' Of course, for a year, I'm telling everybody I got this movie; nobody believes me because I hadn't worked at all doing anything else. And then, we go to the movie — all my friends, everybody, my family buys tickets — and I'm just not in it at all. They cut me completely out of the movie, didn't give me a heads up, nothing. They were all A-players and I was a D-player on the ground. I wasn't even a player, I was on the editing room floor.'
McElhenney would then go on to make his feature debut the following year, in 1998's Oscar-nominated John Travolta vehicle A Civil Action, from director Steve Zaillian.
And, all's well that ends well, given that It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, soon to return for its 17th season, remains the longest-running live-action U.S. sitcom. McElhenney is also the showrunner and star of Apple TV+'s video game workplace comedy Mythic Quest, currently airing its fourth season.
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Now we know what we're doing, so the die is cast and there's a little less to discuss. Seyfried: Remember when you played an iconic teenage character on 'The O.C.'? Brody: In my 20s. You were younger when you did 'Mean Girls,' right? Seyfried: I was 17, the perfect age for that. Except my mom had to live with me. Brody: I was that Steve Buscemi meme of the old man saying, 'Hello, fellow kids.' Seyfried: You weren't that old. Are you kidding? The people from '90210' were in their 30s. Brody: Have you rewatched 'Mean Girls'? Seyfried: No. It's on often enough though. I love it. I really love seeing my face on people's T-shirts. I'm a little resentful because Paramount still owes me some money for the likeness. Every store sells 'Mean Girls' T-shirts with our faces. Don't I [get something from that]? Even the girl at TSA tells me it's her favorite movie. Oh my God, remember when we did 'Lovelace,' and I gave you a blow job? Brody: An iconic blow job. The deep throat — the titular deep throat. How do you feel about that movie now? Seyfried: I had a great experience. It was a move towards attracting a level of respect for skill as opposed to … I didn't care about the reception as much as just changing the idea people had of me in the business. It's just so easy to get pigeonholed. Brody: I remember Harvey Weinstein bought it. Seyfried: I had heard a few rumors about him, but not to the extent that it became. I invited him to the screening [at Sundance]. He showed up and said, 'I bought it,' and I gave him the biggest hug. The whole room was buzzing. He was the big papa of the room — we all needed him to want our project if it was an indie, because that meant it was going to go somewhere. So 2003 was the year I graduated and did 'Mean Girls,' and the year you started 'The O.C.' We both had these pivotal career moments, and you became a pop star overnight. I can't imagine that was easy. Brody: It was. We were in a bubble. It was pre-social media. I can't imagine it now. Now it seems like an incredible responsibility, where you could fuck your whole life up in one second. I'm really impressed with some of these kids who have this awesome responsibility of huge platforms, and some of them are brave and do what's right. Seyfried: I think doing what's right is just hiding in a bunker. We're making another ['Jennifer's Body']. Are you going to do it? Brody: I heard. I wasn't contacted. I died [in the first one]. Seyfried: So did Megan Fox, and I'm not doing it without her. Best of Variety 25 Hollywood Legends Who Deserve an Honorary Oscar New Movies Out Now in Theaters: What to See This Week Emmy Predictions: Animated Program — Can Netflix Score Big With 'Arcane,' 'Devil May Cry' and the Final Season of 'Big Mouth?'

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