Committee savagely grills Tim Walz as he struggles to answer ‘what a woman is'
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has been brutally grilled after being unable to answer the question, 'What is a woman?'
The interaction came at the House Oversight Committee hearing, where Republican Representative Nancy Mace questioned the Minnesota Governor.
Mace pressed Walz on previous comments he made regarding ICE, comparing them to the Gestapo, as well as remarks he made about US President Donald Trump.
Mace then blindsided Walz by asking him if he could answer what a woman was.
Walz stumbled over his words before saying he wasn't sure he understood the question, questioning what Mace wanted him to say.
'I want you to say that a woman like me is an adult human female, that men can't become women,' Mace said.
'You guys are the party of violence, and you're the party erasing women, you don't respect us, you're a bigot.'
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2 hours ago
- Sydney Morning Herald
‘Tearing families apart': The Californians fighting Trump as his ICE agents terrorise a city
Los Angeles: Sandra Estrada stands in her accessories store in the fashion district of downtown Los Angeles, shelves brimming with handbags, hats and colourful belts wrapped in individual plastic sleeves. This is far from high-end Rodeo Drive. Here, and in the nearby streets lined with fabric displays, vendors sell mostly to wholesale customers. Shops are mostly independently owned, staffed overwhelmingly by Asian or Hispanic migrants, many of whom are undocumented. Estrada's store is just metres from Ambiance Apparel, one of four businesses raided by US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) last Friday, kicking off a week of protests in central LA that have since spread to other cities around the United States, and occasionally led to violent clashes with police. Estrada, who was born in the United States, opened Oh Yes Accessories during the COVID-19 pandemic, when the streets were quiet and times were tough. This week was worse. 'Today, this whole week, you could tell. People – documented, undocumented – they're not here,' she said. 'It's empty. There's no foot traffic, there's no car traffic. It's lonely.' Across Los Angeles and elsewhere, the immigration raids and mass deportations authorised by President Donald Trump have petrified migrant communities, even for some who believe they are legally in the US. In a city where half the population is Hispanic or Latino, people are not showing up to work, and parents are not sending their children to school, for fear of being subject to the next ICE raid. When this masthead visited the fashion district shortly before 5pm on Wednesday, the streets were near empty. Many properties were shuttered, and most shopkeepers who were open were scared to talk. 'Some stores have not opened up since Friday,' Astrada said. 'Some stores are doing business with their doors closed and locked. You can tell there are employees that have not shown up to work. It's very evident. There's food trucks that [usually] set up around us that haven't set up since last Friday.' It's in streets like these – and in bars and restaurants, car washes, schools, places that make this sprawling city tick – that the real impact of Trump's deportation agenda can be seen and felt. While the protests outside federal government buildings in central LA have generated headlines and dramatic photos, in reality, they are small – especially by LA standards and compared with the 2020 Black Lives Matter demonstrations following the murder of George Floyd, a black man, by a white police officer in Minneapolis. Over the week, and as Los Angeles mayor Karen Bass instituted an 8pm curfew, the number of protesters fell, and police shut down demonstrations faster. But authorities were preparing for bigger demonstrations at the weekend, especially with Californian schools and colleges now on summer break. Daily immigration raids have also continued. Migrants and their families use websites to track the most recent sightings of ICE agents, while rumours abound in group chats. One popular site, People Over Papers, shows a large cluster of reported sightings around Los Angeles County and Anaheim, and across the US. On Tuesday, ICE agents were filmed chasing farmworkers through fields during a raid in Ventura County, north-west of Los Angeles. The agricultural sector is another that depends enormously on illegal migrant workers to function. In a potentially significant turnaround, Trump on Thursday (Friday AEST) promised changes to his hard-line immigration regime after lobbying from industry, including farmers. 'Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace,' Trump wrote on TruthSocial. 'In many cases the Criminals allowed into our Country by the VERY Stupid Biden Open Borders Policy are applying for those jobs. This is not good. We must protect our Farmers, but get the CRIMINALS OUT OF THE USA. Changes are coming!' The events in Los Angeles have underscored deep fault lines in the debate over immigration, both lawful and otherwise, in the US. When the White House was boasting about rounding up criminals, convicted or accused, and sending them home or to Salvadorian jails, the loudest outcries came from professional activists, lawyers and Democratic politicians concerned about abuse of due process. But now that ICE is raiding businesses and farms, or showing up at school pick-ups, the threat to everyday immigrants and their families has become much more real. California, a state of 40 million people that borders Mexico and is half Hispanic, has an entirely different experience of migration to a state such as Pennsylvania or Kentucky. Unlawful immigration is a part of life here. When protesters in downtown LA scrawl 'F--K ICE' on walls and chant 'ICE out of LA', they are essentially reflecting California government policy. Local law enforcement does not co-operate with federal immigration authorities. That is why Los Angeles and other cities are commonly called 'sanctuary cities'. This duality – the extent to which states can duck from pretty significant national laws – can be difficult to appreciate from outside the US. And it is at the heart of the argument against California being levelled most forcefully by Trump's deputy chief of staff and homeland security adviser Stephen Miller, the architect and philosopher behind the administration's aggressive immigration policy. This week, as the raids continued and the protests raged, Miller conducted full-throated and near-constant commentary on X regarding what he sees as not just a fight to deport people illegally in the country, but an existential battle over the future of the United States and democracy. 'Illegal aliens invaded America,' he said on Monday. 'The government of California aided and abetted that invasion. Violent mobs, incited by California leaders, attacked ICE officers to keep them from removing the invaders. California officials refused to send the police to rescue the ICE officers, hoping the rioters would succeed in shutting down ICE raids. This is an organised insurrection against the laws and sovereignty of the United States.' Miller was born and raised in Los Angeles, and went to Santa Monica High School. But he now sees his former home state, and the political party that controls it, as fundamental threats to the integrity of the union. 'Sometimes issues in life are refined to a point of perfect clarity and utter simplicity,' he said on Tuesday. 'The future the Democrat Party offers America is, to be, in every sense of the term, a Third World nation. All other issues in our national life are derivative of this fact.' These comments seem at odds with Trump's remarks about moderating the policy to protect farmworkers and bellhops. But then, just hours after Trump said that, he returned to posting about the 'tsunami of Illegals' that had stolen American jobs and destroyed America's schools, parks, resources and living conditions. 'All of them have to go home, as do countless other Illegals and Criminals, who will turn us into a bankrupt Third World Nation,' the president wrote. 'America was invaded and occupied. I am reversing the Invasion. It's called Remigration.' The Trump presidency, and the MAGA universe, is a battle between the ideologues in senior positions and the businessman at the top who has a tendency to announce an extreme position and then backtrack after taking stock of the real-world impacts – whether that be farmers losing workers or the bond market balking at tariffs. The extent to which Trump moderates – or gives up on – his mass deportation plans remains to be seen. In the meantime, life in Los Angeles remains altered. While schools have just broken up for the summer, in recent days parents have been reluctant to send their children to school. Loading Brett Celi, a fourth-grade teacher at Sharp Avenue Elementary in Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley, said attendance fell after Friday's immigration raids. 'It is 99 per cent Hispanic,' he said of the school. 'For sure this year was the worst attendance I've ever noticed for the last couple of days of school. Some teachers were missing almost half their kids. I was missing a third on the last day.' Celi said staff were briefed on what to do if ICE agents turned up at school drop-off or pick-up, although the instructions were a little vague. His understanding was: 'If you see anything, just call the office.' Protests against the ICE raids are not all loud, or flashy, or attention-seeking. Half an hour's drive away from downtown Los Angeles, outside the Wilshire Federal Building in West LA, this masthead found 27-year-old Danny Silva standing at an intersection on his own, calmly waving a Mexican flag under the hot Californian summer sun. Metres away, a handful of National Guard members were keeping watch and debating whether to let a small autonomous vehicle enter the property. The Coco robot was carrying lunch for some of their colleagues. 'They're tearing families apart in my community,' said Silva, the son of Mexican immigrants. 'Even if I'm the only one out here, I just want people to know that at least one person isn't going to stand for it.' Silva just graduated from law school at the adjacent University of California, Los Angeles, and is wearing his black and purple graduation cap. Asked what he would say to people who wonder why California believes it shouldn't be subject to the federal immigration laws of the US, he pivots. 'The media likes to sensationalise a very small minority of what's happening on the ground,' Silva says. 'Someone lights a car on fire, every single camera is pointing to it. The vast majority of people protesting are just doing what I'm doing – standing around, waving a flag, having our voices heard. 'You don't see this kind of military mobilisation when the Eagles win a Super Bowl. They trash all of Philadelphia, but you don't see the Marines show up there. So it's absolutely – it's racist. I've been to a lot of demonstrations and almost every single time it's always the police that brings the violence.' In reality, the protests are a mix of characters. Most are angry but peaceful, seeking to have their say. They're interspersed with agitators trying to stir up trouble, test the limits or perform for the news cameras and social media. On Tuesday afternoon, a colourful figure known as Daisy the Venice Healer rode up to police lines on a skateboard, yelling into a hand-held loudspeaker. The next day, this masthead met 'Robby Roadsteamer' outside City Hall, who stood on the street wearing an eagle suit and a pink G-string, and dancing to a band playing Latin American music. 'We could have the new Woodstock if we want,' he said. 'But no more ICE. No more busting people without identification.' Later that evening, outside the Department of Justice in downtown LA, a small crew of protesters danced in circles to John Lennon's Imagine in front of graffiti that said 'DEAD COPS', 'Kill a COP' and 'DEATH TO AMERIKKA'. Karen Haas, a 44-year-old from Los Angeles, stood a couple of metres from a wall of homeland security agents, telling them they were stealing her friends and serving a 'Nazi' in Stephen Miller. 'I don't really get an opportunity to get this close to border patrol, so it's a chance to tell them how I feel, where they have to stand and listen to us,' she said. 'I think they need to hear it.' Earlier, Lynn Sturgis and Ellen Carpenter, two white women in their 60s from Santa Monica, protested outside the federal building holding cardboard signs that said, 'Political Theatre or Public Safety?' and 'We the people are all Immigrants'. Loading Sturgis said most Americans' views on immigration raids and the LA protests depended upon their news source. There were two entirely separate national conversations about what was happening, she said. 'There's Donald Trump and Stephen Miller and Fox News. And then if you listen to other news like MSNBC and CNN, you realise the truth,' she said. But was it not fair for the Trump administration to ask why California felt it was entitled to thumb its nose at nation laws? 'Well, it's how you're enforcing the laws,' Sturgis said. Plenty of migrants were following the legal process, she said, only to end up being arrested. 'So they're not doing the right thing.'
The Age
2 hours ago
- The Age
‘Tearing families apart': The Californians fighting Trump as his ICE agents terrorise a city
Los Angeles: Sandra Estrada stands in her accessories store in the fashion district of downtown Los Angeles, shelves brimming with handbags, hats and colourful belts wrapped in individual plastic sleeves. This is far from high-end Rodeo Drive. Here, and in the nearby streets lined with fabric displays, vendors sell mostly to wholesale customers. Shops are mostly independently owned, staffed overwhelmingly by Asian or Hispanic migrants, many of whom are undocumented. Estrada's store is just metres from Ambiance Apparel, one of four businesses raided by US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) last Friday, kicking off a week of protests in central LA that have since spread to other cities around the United States, and occasionally led to violent clashes with police. Estrada, who was born in the United States, opened Oh Yes Accessories during the COVID-19 pandemic, when the streets were quiet and times were tough. This week was worse. 'Today, this whole week, you could tell. People – documented, undocumented – they're not here,' she said. 'It's empty. There's no foot traffic, there's no car traffic. It's lonely.' Across Los Angeles and elsewhere, the immigration raids and mass deportations authorised by President Donald Trump have petrified migrant communities, even for some who believe they are legally in the US. In a city where half the population is Hispanic or Latino, people are not showing up to work, and parents are not sending their children to school, for fear of being subject to the next ICE raid. When this masthead visited the fashion district shortly before 5pm on Wednesday, the streets were near empty. Many properties were shuttered, and most shopkeepers who were open were scared to talk. 'Some stores have not opened up since Friday,' Astrada said. 'Some stores are doing business with their doors closed and locked. You can tell there are employees that have not shown up to work. It's very evident. There's food trucks that [usually] set up around us that haven't set up since last Friday.' It's in streets like these – and in bars and restaurants, car washes, schools, places that make this sprawling city tick – that the real impact of Trump's deportation agenda can be seen and felt. While the protests outside federal government buildings in central LA have generated headlines and dramatic photos, in reality, they are small – especially by LA standards and compared with the 2020 Black Lives Matter demonstrations following the murder of George Floyd, a black man, by a white police officer in Minneapolis. Over the week, and as Los Angeles mayor Karen Bass instituted an 8pm curfew, the number of protesters fell, and police shut down demonstrations faster. But authorities were preparing for bigger demonstrations at the weekend, especially with Californian schools and colleges now on summer break. Daily immigration raids have also continued. Migrants and their families use websites to track the most recent sightings of ICE agents, while rumours abound in group chats. One popular site, People Over Papers, shows a large cluster of reported sightings around Los Angeles County and Anaheim, and across the US. On Tuesday, ICE agents were filmed chasing farmworkers through fields during a raid in Ventura County, north-west of Los Angeles. The agricultural sector is another that depends enormously on illegal migrant workers to function. In a potentially significant turnaround, Trump on Thursday (Friday AEST) promised changes to his hard-line immigration regime after lobbying from industry, including farmers. 'Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace,' Trump wrote on TruthSocial. 'In many cases the Criminals allowed into our Country by the VERY Stupid Biden Open Borders Policy are applying for those jobs. This is not good. We must protect our Farmers, but get the CRIMINALS OUT OF THE USA. Changes are coming!' The events in Los Angeles have underscored deep fault lines in the debate over immigration, both lawful and otherwise, in the US. When the White House was boasting about rounding up criminals, convicted or accused, and sending them home or to Salvadorian jails, the loudest outcries came from professional activists, lawyers and Democratic politicians concerned about abuse of due process. But now that ICE is raiding businesses and farms, or showing up at school pick-ups, the threat to everyday immigrants and their families has become much more real. California, a state of 40 million people that borders Mexico and is half Hispanic, has an entirely different experience of migration to a state such as Pennsylvania or Kentucky. Unlawful immigration is a part of life here. When protesters in downtown LA scrawl 'F--K ICE' on walls and chant 'ICE out of LA', they are essentially reflecting California government policy. Local law enforcement does not co-operate with federal immigration authorities. That is why Los Angeles and other cities are commonly called 'sanctuary cities'. This duality – the extent to which states can duck from pretty significant national laws – can be difficult to appreciate from outside the US. And it is at the heart of the argument against California being levelled most forcefully by Trump's deputy chief of staff and homeland security adviser Stephen Miller, the architect and philosopher behind the administration's aggressive immigration policy. This week, as the raids continued and the protests raged, Miller conducted full-throated and near-constant commentary on X regarding what he sees as not just a fight to deport people illegally in the country, but an existential battle over the future of the United States and democracy. 'Illegal aliens invaded America,' he said on Monday. 'The government of California aided and abetted that invasion. Violent mobs, incited by California leaders, attacked ICE officers to keep them from removing the invaders. California officials refused to send the police to rescue the ICE officers, hoping the rioters would succeed in shutting down ICE raids. This is an organised insurrection against the laws and sovereignty of the United States.' Miller was born and raised in Los Angeles, and went to Santa Monica High School. But he now sees his former home state, and the political party that controls it, as fundamental threats to the integrity of the union. 'Sometimes issues in life are refined to a point of perfect clarity and utter simplicity,' he said on Tuesday. 'The future the Democrat Party offers America is, to be, in every sense of the term, a Third World nation. All other issues in our national life are derivative of this fact.' These comments seem at odds with Trump's remarks about moderating the policy to protect farmworkers and bellhops. But then, just hours after Trump said that, he returned to posting about the 'tsunami of Illegals' that had stolen American jobs and destroyed America's schools, parks, resources and living conditions. 'All of them have to go home, as do countless other Illegals and Criminals, who will turn us into a bankrupt Third World Nation,' the president wrote. 'America was invaded and occupied. I am reversing the Invasion. It's called Remigration.' The Trump presidency, and the MAGA universe, is a battle between the ideologues in senior positions and the businessman at the top who has a tendency to announce an extreme position and then backtrack after taking stock of the real-world impacts – whether that be farmers losing workers or the bond market balking at tariffs. The extent to which Trump moderates – or gives up on – his mass deportation plans remains to be seen. In the meantime, life in Los Angeles remains altered. While schools have just broken up for the summer, in recent days parents have been reluctant to send their children to school. Loading Brett Celi, a fourth-grade teacher at Sharp Avenue Elementary in Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley, said attendance fell after Friday's immigration raids. 'It is 99 per cent Hispanic,' he said of the school. 'For sure this year was the worst attendance I've ever noticed for the last couple of days of school. Some teachers were missing almost half their kids. I was missing a third on the last day.' Celi said staff were briefed on what to do if ICE agents turned up at school drop-off or pick-up, although the instructions were a little vague. His understanding was: 'If you see anything, just call the office.' Protests against the ICE raids are not all loud, or flashy, or attention-seeking. Half an hour's drive away from downtown Los Angeles, outside the Wilshire Federal Building in West LA, this masthead found 27-year-old Danny Silva standing at an intersection on his own, calmly waving a Mexican flag under the hot Californian summer sun. Metres away, a handful of National Guard members were keeping watch and debating whether to let a small autonomous vehicle enter the property. The Coco robot was carrying lunch for some of their colleagues. 'They're tearing families apart in my community,' said Silva, the son of Mexican immigrants. 'Even if I'm the only one out here, I just want people to know that at least one person isn't going to stand for it.' Silva just graduated from law school at the adjacent University of California, Los Angeles, and is wearing his black and purple graduation cap. Asked what he would say to people who wonder why California believes it shouldn't be subject to the federal immigration laws of the US, he pivots. 'The media likes to sensationalise a very small minority of what's happening on the ground,' Silva says. 'Someone lights a car on fire, every single camera is pointing to it. The vast majority of people protesting are just doing what I'm doing – standing around, waving a flag, having our voices heard. 'You don't see this kind of military mobilisation when the Eagles win a Super Bowl. They trash all of Philadelphia, but you don't see the Marines show up there. So it's absolutely – it's racist. I've been to a lot of demonstrations and almost every single time it's always the police that brings the violence.' In reality, the protests are a mix of characters. Most are angry but peaceful, seeking to have their say. They're interspersed with agitators trying to stir up trouble, test the limits or perform for the news cameras and social media. On Tuesday afternoon, a colourful figure known as Daisy the Venice Healer rode up to police lines on a skateboard, yelling into a hand-held loudspeaker. The next day, this masthead met 'Robby Roadsteamer' outside City Hall, who stood on the street wearing an eagle suit and a pink G-string, and dancing to a band playing Latin American music. 'We could have the new Woodstock if we want,' he said. 'But no more ICE. No more busting people without identification.' Later that evening, outside the Department of Justice in downtown LA, a small crew of protesters danced in circles to John Lennon's Imagine in front of graffiti that said 'DEAD COPS', 'Kill a COP' and 'DEATH TO AMERIKKA'. Karen Haas, a 44-year-old from Los Angeles, stood a couple of metres from a wall of homeland security agents, telling them they were stealing her friends and serving a 'Nazi' in Stephen Miller. 'I don't really get an opportunity to get this close to border patrol, so it's a chance to tell them how I feel, where they have to stand and listen to us,' she said. 'I think they need to hear it.' Earlier, Lynn Sturgis and Ellen Carpenter, two white women in their 60s from Santa Monica, protested outside the federal building holding cardboard signs that said, 'Political Theatre or Public Safety?' and 'We the people are all Immigrants'. Loading Sturgis said most Americans' views on immigration raids and the LA protests depended upon their news source. There were two entirely separate national conversations about what was happening, she said. 'There's Donald Trump and Stephen Miller and Fox News. And then if you listen to other news like MSNBC and CNN, you realise the truth,' she said. But was it not fair for the Trump administration to ask why California felt it was entitled to thumb its nose at nation laws? 'Well, it's how you're enforcing the laws,' Sturgis said. Plenty of migrants were following the legal process, she said, only to end up being arrested. 'So they're not doing the right thing.'
The Age
11 hours ago
- The Age
America is a society at war with itself
To submit a letter to The Age, email letters@ Please include your home address and telephone number below your letter. No attachments. See here for our rules and tips on getting your letter published. DEMOCRACY Overriding the authority of California Governor Gavin Newsom under the bogus claim of a national emergency, President Donald Trump has this week put 4000 armed National Guard troops and 700 US marines onto the streets of Los Angeles. The troops are deployed in response to civil protests against mass arrests by US government Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents. The Trump administration has also 'warned it could send troops to other cities' for similar purposes (' LA unrest spreads across country ', 13/6). With the US federal and state governments now in open conflict over the deployment of active duty troops using force against civilians on home soil, America is effectively at war with itself. The US military is currently obeying illegal orders from the craziest commander-in-chief of any army since the Roman emperor Nero. The military is duty bound to uphold the US Constitution and stand behind the Congress, the courts and the rule of law. Presidential impeachment, or a declaration under the 25th amendment that due to mental impairment Trump is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, are both available options. A Pentagon order for the immediate return of troops to their barracks would be a good start to one of those constitutional processes. Lawrie Bradly, Surrey Hills US migrants taxes fund the National Guard According to several credible sources including Yale university and the US House of Representatives document depository, during the past financial year undocumented migrants in America paid more than $US100 billion in tax. Between them, IBM, Netflix, Amazon, General Motors, Nike and Tesla only paid $US30 billion. Putting aside the obvious distress and human rights issues associated with ICE's heavy-handed approach to mass deportation, just like the bizarre tariff policies, this latest venture makes no economic sense. A sad irony is that the law enforcement offices, the National Guard and now the marines charged with the duty of quelling the protests, receive their wage through the taxes paid by the undocumented migrants and those they have been ordered to subdue. Craig Jory, Albury, NSW Citizens become targets for elimination Barry Jones (Letters, 13/6) suggests media should be helping us to understand ″who we are as a species″. On the abundant evidence, ″we″ are trapped in an endless loop of killing. First, we define our enemies, then arm our soldiers with every conceivable weapon. This energises our capitalist systems as they rush to invest in profitable industries that, in turn, corrupt our governments. In response, those ″enemies″ see each and every one of us as either current, or future or past, members of the military. So, all of our citizens become legitimate targets for elimination. That mind-set justifies genocidal atrocities supported by nation-states. Thus, thermonuclear holocaust beckons us into the future of our own making. That's what we do, who we are. Trevor Kerr, Blackburn THE FORUM Self-interest reigns Self-interest is the biggest motivator for the lack of change that is occurring in trying to bridge the expanding divide between rich and poor. Our capitalist society ascribes success according to material wealth. The main factor in many people's lives is to expand their personal wealth almost at any cost. Therefore, there will always be winners and losers. Imagine if we measured a person's wealth by what they actually contributed to society. You might find that those with materialistic wealth are on the bottom of the heap and thus probably where they deserve to be. We don't honour enough those who are selfless, who don't seek power and status, but just want to do their bit to make the community a safe and an enjoyable place to be. Greg Tuck, Warragul AUKUS gamble Malcolm Turnbull provided information on ABC radio (12/6), that the AUKUS contract has a clause to the effect that before a single submarine, whether nuclear or not, could be released to Australia under that program the US president had to sign acknowledging it would not negatively impact on the US submarine capability. Firstly, why would Scott Morrison (even as a minister holding five portfolios) and his government have thought this was a reasonable basis on which to devote such a large Australian financial commitment, and secondly why would the subsequent Albanese government have followed suit? Given that we can now see how fragile once commonly held norms regarding contractual and legal agreements are under this Trump presidency, surely, on those grounds alone, we should remove Australia from the AUKUS agreement. We are now dealing with a gamble, not an enforceable contract. Jenny Callaghan, Hawthorn State Liberals' credibility What credibility can the Victorian Liberal opposition bring to government when at this very moment $2 million in conditional offers is on the table to save John Pesutto from bankruptcy and prevent a byelection? The first, an offer from Moira Deeming is subject to a guarantee that she will be pre-selected for the next state election. The second, from property developer Hilton Grugeon, requires that Pesutto does not challenge for leadership of the party within three years. This blatant and arrogant introduction of cash inducements to influence the outcomes of legitimate political processes and decision making should be called out immediately. Peter Randles, Pascoe Vale South
