MMA Junkie Radio #3561: PFL guest Phil Davis, UFC Kansas City fallout, more
MMA Junkie Radio #3561: PFL guest Phil Davis, UFC Kansas City fallout, more Monday's episode of MMA Junkie Radio with "Gorgeous" George and "Goze" is here.
Thursday's episode of MMA Junkie Radio with "Gorgeous" George and "Goze" is here.
On Episode #3,561, the fellas welcome in guest Phil Davis ahead of the PFL light heavyweight 2025 tournament. They also recap UFC Kansas City, take a look at the latest MMA news and much more. Tune in!
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