The ‘SNL50: Homecoming Concert' Had Everything: Kevin Costner Losing it to Cher, Jerry Seinfeld Singing Backstreet Boys, and Lady Gaga with Her D**k in a Box
Kicking off with a tribute to the Blues Brothers from the evening's host Jimmy Fallon, last night's 'SNL50: The Homecoming Concert' pulled out all the stops in celebrating the show's rich musical history, as well as the influence music has had on its comedy. And though Fallon made sure to start the affair at Radio City Music Hall by pointing out that everyone in the room had some form of connection to 'Saturday Night Live' and were not there as casual spectators, watching at home, its clear the production worked hard to place fans of the staple variety series right at the the center of the action as well.
The first singer of the evening was Miley Cyrus. After a rendition of Queen's 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' accompanied by The Roots (they served as the house band for the evening) and Brittany Howard, Cyrus gave a special shout-out to Lorne Michaels before launching into her own recent hit song 'Flowers.' The pop anthem brought everyone to their feet and set the energy for an evening that proved to be both raucous and hilarious.
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Bad Bunny was up next with 'Baile Inolvidable' and 'DTMF,' followed by a special appearance by Bill Murray playing his 'SNL' lounge singer Nick Valentine — fitting considering the celebration was held during Valentine's Day. Murray's Valentine was backed up by fellow former cast members Ana Gasteyer, Maya Rudolph, and Cecily Strong, all of whom sang along to 'You're All I Need to Get By' before introducing rock legend Eddie Vedder.
Vedder performed a tribute to Tom Petty with a rendition of 'The Waiting,' as well the song 'Corduroy' from his band Pearl Jam. Tracy Morgan then took to the stage to sing the theme song for his 'SNL' character Astronaut Jones, a funny ditty, but one that was quickly overshadowed by the B-52s bringing the house down with 'Love Shack.' Even current cast members Sarah Sherman and Bowen Yang, as well as Fred Armisen on drums, joined the iconic band on stage to help out.
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While the next acts of Backstreet Boys and Devo both brought their singular flare to the evening (even forcing audience member Jerry Seinfeld to sing along), it was Lady Gaga and Andy Samberg who reminded everyone in the crowd the sheer impact of 'SNL.' Performing a medley of Lonely Island songs including 'D**k in a Box,' 'Jack Sparrow,' 'I'm on a Boat,' and even 'Lazy Sunday,' Samberg was joined by old gang members Chris Parnell, Jorma Taccone, and T-Pain. Vedder also got in on the fun by stepping in for Michael Bolton as Jack Sparrow.
As if this wasn't enough, Lauryn Hill and Wyclef Jean also made a rare appearance to perform a medley that included her hit take on 'Killing Me Softly with His Song.'
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Another huge highlight of the evening was seeing Will Ferrell and Gasteyer reprise their music educating couple, Marty and Bobbi Mohan-Culp, for a breakdown of modern hit songs that had the crowd in stitches. Songs sung by the two included Britney Spears' 'Work Bitch,' Sam Smith and Kim Petras' 'Unholy,' Megan Thee Stallion's 'Body,' Doechii's 'Denial is a River,' and Chappell Roan's 'Good Luck, Babe!' But the real showstopper proved to be Kendrick Lamar's Drake diss-track 'Not Like Us.'
Other noteworthy moments saw David Byrne and Robyn collaborate on both 'Dancing on my Own' and 'This Must Be the Place,' as well as appearances by Jelly Roll, Brandi Carlile, Mumford & Sons, Bonnie Raitt, Snoop Dogg, St. Vincent, Arcade Fire, Post Malone, Nirvana, and a Cher performance that saw both Billy Crystal and Kevin Costner levitate out of their bodies (not really, but it certainly gave that impression). It all closed out with a set from Jack White that brought everyone to their feet and blew the roof off the whole venue. Watch more clips from the show below.
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Ruthless Ending of ‘The Penguin' Makes a Potential Season 2 'More Difficult,' Says Colin Farrell
A frigid environment is befitting of a television show titled The Penguin, but the chilly conditions of its set had no bearing on the story being told. It was simply the manner in which series lead Colin Farrell preserved the three hours' worth of prosthetic makeup needed to transform him into Oswald 'The Penguin' Cobb. 'I was totally encased as Oz, and it was incredibly hot underneath all the prosthetics,' recalls Farrell. More from The Hollywood Reporter Hollywood Flashback: The Moment 'SNL' Started Sweeping the Guest Acting Awards Inside Cynthia Erivo's Tonys Afterparty: "I Think We Should All Dance Now" 'Hamilton' Original Cast Reunites for Tony Awards Medley - Watch Between the 2 pounds of silicone rubber fastened to his head and a 30-pound bodysuit, the Irish actor was constantly overheating while playing his ambitious Gotham City gangster. There was even a stretch in the winter of 2023 where the eight-episode HBO series' New York City-area soundstage had the air conditioning cranked full blast, prompting the crew to don winter attire indoors. Eventually, the team set up a camping tent nicknamed 'the Igloo' for Farrell to cool off in between setups and takes. 'We had three industrial air conditioners funnel freezing cold air into it,' he says of the situation, adding, 'It wasn't fair that the crew had to [previously] wear fucking snow-goose expedition coats and scarves.' Farrell's iteration of the storied baddie originated in Matt Reeves' The Batman (2022), which kick-started its own 'Elseworlds' crime saga, without any connection to the shared DC universe that DC Studios co-CEOs James Gunn and Peter Safran have since rebooted. Reeves, as well as the feature script he co-authored with Peter Craig, provided prosthetic designer Mike Marino with the basic parameters for the appearance of Oz (played by Farrell), one that became a rougher-around-the-edges take on Tony Soprano, but with the underlying desperation of Fredo Corleone, and some birdlike features to honor Oz's unwelcome moniker. Marino and a half dozen of his fellow artists transformed Farrell roughly 90 times over the course of The Penguin, three times the amount of sessions they'd completed on The Batman. And despite headlines to the contrary, Marino insists that the leading man reveled in the 150- to 200-step makeup process that often began at 2 a.m. 'There are a couple of interviews where Colin said, 'Oh my God, I hated it,' but he's just bullshitting. He loved it. We had so much fun doing it, and he's the perfect person to wear makeup,' states Marino, something Farrell reaffirms. 'It was a beautiful time, to be honest. I've never felt such little total ownership over a character as I do over Oz, because of the village that came together to bring him to life.' Knowing Farrell was keen to dive deeper into his Batman supporting character, HBO Max put the spinoff series into development during the pandemic-era streaming boom. Showrunner Lauren LeFranc was tasked by executive producer Reeves to create a bridge to the upcoming The Batman Part II and turn one of the most recognizable villains from Batman's rogues gallery into a relatively sympathetic protagonist (until he isn't). That meant introducing the audience to Oz's minuscule inner circle, composed first and foremost of his dementia-stricken mother, Francis Cobb (Deirdre O'Connell). 'The key to any character I write is finding empathy, and that really started with Oz's mother. It made a lot of sense to me that he would have a very complicated relationship with her,' says LeFranc. 'He's desperate for acceptance from the masses, but predominantly, he's striving to find acceptance and love from his mother.' LeFranc also established his season-long sidekick, Victor 'Vic' Aguilar (Rhenzy Feliz), after Vic and four other teenagers attempt to steal the rims off Oz's plum Maserati. Vic, who lost his family a week earlier when the Riddler (Paul Dano) bombed Gotham City's seawall, attempts to explain himself, but his stutter interferes. Oz, having his own disability, appears to feel some degree of compassion for the 17-year-old orphan. 'I hadn't gotten to see a lot of vulnerable characters like Victor in a crime drama or a genre comic book show. I'm half-Mexican, and I wanted a character that came from a loving half-Mexican, half-Dominican family,' LeFranc shares. Oz then recognizes an opportunity to audition Vic as a jack-of-all-trades amid his bid to grab power following the Riddler's murder of Gotham's most notorious crime lord (and Oz's boss), Carmine Falcone (John Turturro), in The Batman. His first assignment is to help Oz move the body of Carmine's son, Alberto Falcone (Michael Zegen), whom Oz rashly murdered after the heir apparent to the Falcone crime family mocked Oz's desire to be remembered like a neighborhood mobster from his youth. The crew's department heads had their own unique challenge in both re-creating and expanding the Gotham City of Reeves' Liverpool-shot Batman feature on a TV schedule and budget in New York City. Fortunately, there was synergy between the productions, starting with Reeves and the film's DP Greig Fraser, who provided Craig Zobel, director of Penguin episodes one through three, with tech specs for camera gear, lenses and lighting. Production designer Kalina Ivanov and visual effects supervisor Johnny Han also received assets from their Batman counterparts to help reconstruct sets like the Iceberg Lounge using VFX. Han went through all the dailies for The Batman and found shots of the Oz-run nightclub to use as plates, as in an image that can be used to replace a greenscreen backdrop. 'Dan Lemmon, a VFX supervisor on The Batman, also gave me a mini-backstory on every visual effects shot from the movie. It was such a nice handing of the torch,' says Han. The Batman (Robert Pattinson) oversees Gotham from above, and so Reeves and LeFranc decided that the Penguin would attempt to rule the underworld from below. 'They wanted to make The French Connection, which immediately grounded the project under bridges, overpasses and elevated subway tracks,' Ivanov says. 'We also went for very unusual geography, so we stayed away from Manhattan as much as we could.' 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Her then-driver, Oz, had already blown the whistle to the mob boss about his daughter's interactions with a member of the press, and so Carmine framed his daughter for the reporter's corresponding death and several other of his serial killings as 'The Hangman.' Tragically, the charitable woman who entered Arkham against her will left as someone else due to unnecessary electroshock therapy and generally inhumane circumstances. Upon release, one of her first orders of business was to slaughter the extended Falcone mob who aided Carmine's wrongful conviction of her. 'One of the worst feelings in the world is the feeling of being disposable, and that's what happens to Sofia on such a massive level,' says Milioti. 'I hoped that the audience would be on her side when she blossoms into this full villain because you really understand why she does what she does.' Helen Shaver — who directed Sofia's origin story and present-day takeover of her father's crime ring in the John McCutcheon-penned fourth episode 'Cent'Anni' — says the filming of the rather harrowing chapter was the polar opposite of what one might expect. 'The opportunity to make that terrible betrayal by Oz and Carmine the bedrock from which this iconic character grows was very joyful,' Shaver shares. 'As great as the Penguin is, Sofia makes him a greater character.' To make matters worse for Sofia, the one person who refuses to turn their back on her, her brother, Alberto, disappears. Despite initially suspecting that Oz was involved, his subsequent death is pinned on the rival Maroni family, courtesy of Oz and Victor's machinations, in the series premiere. Moments before her grisly discovery of Alberto's body, Sofia tortures an unclothed Oz, which tested Marino's team to the nth degree, significantly upping the already three-hour prosthetic application time. 'The daytime is the hardest difficulty for a prosthetic. Any flaws can be seen in daylight,' recalls Marino. 'Colin was wearing this totally naked suit that's covered in hair and scars, and he was sweating in a burning hot greenhouse while tied up to a chair. It was the most challenging day.' Oz's opening chess move involving Alberto began an all-out war for control of Gotham's drug market with ever-changing alliances. Sofia eventually receives confirmation that Oz murdered her brother, and based on a tip from Oz's lover, Eve (Carmen Ejogo), she abducts Francis for leverage. Oz had previously pretended his mother was dead in order to protect her from the type of blowback that comes with his affiliations. With the help of Sofia's Arkham ally Dr. Rush (Theo Rossi), she gleans through Francis that Oz was responsible for the deaths of his older and younger brothers, Jack and Benny, in 1988. Oz is then forced to face the truth or else Sofia will maim his mother, but he still wouldn't come clean, leading Francis to stab him in the gut and forsake him before suffering a catastrophic stroke. 'Sofia understands that the gravest injury you can administer to someone is mental because you can't escape that,' says Milioti. Frustrated by his brothers' insensitivity to his clubfoot during a fateful game of hide-and-seek, Young Oz's lack of impulse control factored into his decision to trap Jack and Benny in a water overflow tunnel. This is the same impulsivity that led him to murder Alberto Falcone three-plus decades later. Farrell knows Young Oz is responsible for the demise of his brothers, but he offers him some benefit of the doubt, at least until he allows hours to go by without sounding the alarm to his mother. 'I'm not excusing him, don't get me wrong, but he wasn't an architectural fucking engineer when he was 10,' says Farrell. 'I don't think he necessarily knew that, in closing one sewer gate, it was going to be hermetically sealed and the water was going to rise twenty feet, killing his brothers.' Reeling from his mother's newly persistent vegetative state and how Sofia exposed his Achilles' heel through her, Oz decides that family of any kind is only going to hold him back from achieving true kingpin status. Thus, in the series' most gut-wrenching moment, he strangles Victor to death just after the young man expressed gratitude for their found family. 'He's always been this man. We've just been a little bit forgiving of him,' says LeFranc. 'When Oz kills Victor, it's like he's ripping his own heart out, and it's appalling. There's no justification for it. I hope that it leaves the audience to question why we ever trusted a man like this.' Farrell, despite being 'nowhere close' to starting prep work, will next reprise his character in the long-gestating The Batman Part II. 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To view this content, you'll need to update your privacy settings. Please click here and view the "Content and social-media partners" setting to do so. Partway through WWDC 2025, I started tracking every time I heard the word "delightful." I might have missed a few, but there were at least eight times when some exec was insisting to me that an element of the upcoming iOS 26, macOS Tahoe and Apple's other platforms merited the adjective. And maybe some people truly do feel unfettered joy about UI design, but that's the sort of attitude in these events that makes me roll my eyes. Apple always tries very hard to inject levity and personality into its keynotes. Most of the time, that winds up leaning on cringe from Craig Federighi, who seems quite affable about being the punchline. Sometimes I smirk a little, but again, more often than not, it's another eye-roll. That was the case this year, as Apple bludgeoned us with a tie-in for its upcoming F1 movie , which already leans pretty hard on product placement. Then there's the developer devotion. Yes, Apple needs devs to use its tools and programs. Yes, the company can and should give them some kudos. But sometimes, the adulation that I've heard heaped on the WWDC audience in the past is so cheesy, so over-eager that it flies way past sincerity and into schlock. Just as I was ready to turn off the stream, the curtain rose on a grand piano. And to my surprise, the final three minutes of a full band performing real reviews of apps became the actual highlight of WWDC for me. This isn't an original idea. Reviews, good and bad, are well-mined fodder for comedians and social media content. Jimmy Fallon, James Corden and others have made musical gags a staple of recent late night talk shows. But the way Apple decided to do it this year was, in a word, delightful. Each review was heartfelt or dopey or both; see "saved my marriage" for Citymapper and "If this doesn't win best app of the year, I'll eat my shoe" for Lost in Play. It took the essential internet wisdom of "don't read the comments" and turned it into gold. This silly little song managed to do everything Apple wants to do at WWDC in a really amusing package. It's the dev props, it's the splashy production, it's legit entertainment. For anyone who, like me, was actually humming the tune even after the stream ended, the video is up as a standalone on YouTube and was performed by soul/R&B singer Allen Stone. And to whatever producer came up with this idea: you have my utmost appreciation. Six out of five stars indeed.
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Tires season two rolled out on Netflix today, Thursday, June 5. Riding shotgun in the Shane Gillis-vehicle are his friends and creative partners for a decade, co-star/writer Steve Gerben and writer/director John McKeever. (For the sake of the analogy, picture a 1970s Chevy Bel Air front bench seat.) Well, really, it is McKeever (who professionally goes by just 'McKeever') steering the car with Gerben navigating — or vice versa. The 6'3' Gillis is stretched out in the backseat — that's where the celebrity goes — but he's not merely along for the ride. We'll stop forcing the metaphor immediately. 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Gillis, a successful standup comic and the co-host of Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast, put an addition onto the Gerben family business, a tire shop in Westchester, Pennsylvania. It's where they still film today. (It's also where they pull storylines: Gerben's dad had some trouble with his suppliers over a plan to sell their tires at his cost, which comes to a head in Tires season two.) So Netflix picked up Tires for the price of an oil change, basically. OK, now we're done. I liked the first season, but I loved the second. Would you agree that season two is even better than season one? JM: I think the nature of the first season was— I would almost argue it was a long cold open, and really, our whole goal with that first season was to nail down the tone and the style of the show. We really just honed in on one storyline, and mostly because we didn't have a ton of production, money, time, resources — stuff like that. So we really treated season two like a season one. Season one was famously inexpensive to make… JM: Outside of a found-footage documentary, I feel like this is about as cheap as it gets. SG: As cheap as season one was to make, we'd be remiss not to say that Shane did spend all his own money to make it. This time around, it's Netflix's money. At the time, did you guys view Shane's a bummer or a blessing? JM: When he was auditioning for SNL, I talked to him after he auditioned, and I said, 'You're gonna get it, because they don't have anyone like you.' [Shane's] an archetype that hasn't been around for a really long time. If I'm Lorne Michaels, I would see [Shane] and say, 'God, I can do so much with him' — outside of just the fact that he's mega-talented. I think of him as like Adam Sandler. And I've always thought of Steve as like Jason Bateman. These two guys are very, very good in their lanes. And if we can find a way to mash them together, that's incredible. But yeah, when, when Shane got SNL, I thought of it as like in Good Will Hunting, where Ben Affleck is like, 'I hope I knock on your door one day and you're not there.' It was that feeling where it's like, I don't want to see you go, but I'm happy you're moving on. And then when he got fired, we definitely were like, sweet, we get to do our stuff again. SG: One of the first things Shane did when he got SNL was ask Lorne Michaels if he could still do Tires, which is an insane thing to ask. OK, so what's up with the McKeever one name thing in the credits? JM: I'm so glad you asked that, because I feel like people give me shit about it. As they should. JM: Yeah. It's not the, it's not really the Madonna angle of, like, 'Ooh, mysterious.' It's more that's just what people call me. And because, you know, John is such a common name. My really close friends call me John, but most people refer to me as McKeever. And the other thing that I kind of realized when we started making Tires and when I started doing more behind-the-camera stuff and just writing, I just thought, you know, I have like, a three-second window in every episode for people to remember who I am. And I just feel like I should probably get rid of half of the stuff they have to remember. So if I can get them to get rid of 'John,' which is probably the most forgettable name out there…and I think a lot of times when people read 'John,' they almost don't even read the second part. My fear was like, it would be viewed as, like, 'Who the fuck does this guy think?' That's definitely how I viewed it. JM: I totally get it. But it was more like I have three seconds for people to remember who I am… Steve, you just did … SG: Shane wanted me to do Late Night and wouldn't do it without me. Hats off to Seth for taking that risk. But anyway, I was telling Shane, like, 'I'm very nervous.' And the way that this whole thing goes down, you know, it's very like, bing, bang, boom. You're in the green room, then hair and makeup, Seth's doing the monologue, they bring you out, 'They're like, stand here, Steve you're gonna sit there. Get together, take a picture.' And they go, '20 seconds.' And so then I'm just standing there…and I look at Shane and I go, 'I'm having some pretty bad fight-or-flight right now, man.' And he just looks back and he goes, 'fight.' I don't think I've ever heard something that cool, that badass. JM: It was so cool to see Steve be Steve, and now the world gets to see that. It is a true one-of-one. I think the nice thing about Tires is it's a true Trojan Horse. Shane gets everybody in the door, and Steve falls out. Shane plays 'Shane' and Kilah Fox plays 'Kilah' — most of the cast uses their real names — but Steve plays Will and Chris O'Connor plays Cal. When do you use real first names and when don't you? SG: Very early on I told Shane, 'Do a different name, like Sean or something.' He's like, 'Just call me Shane.' I don't know why we kept 'Kilah'… but Shane was just like — he didn't want to be bothered. JM: It was honestly a nightmare when we wrote the first season, because I would write some scripts, and I put 'Steve' because I couldn't get used to the 'Will' thing. Now it's very easy. SG: Shane does not like that I'm Will because he does not like that I'm acting. I wanted to act. I wanted, as small as it is, to separate from me the person. How's your dad's shop doing? Has the show been good for business? SG: No, he's not doing, like, better. He's not doing any worse. The [Tires shop and real shop] have different names, and— shops are just, they're tough to run. It's just really hard to hire right now, he's just, like, chronically understaffed. You would think, next to this set [it would get a boost], but it hasn't changed for much. But he's fine. Did you work at the shop? SG: I was trying to work for him, I would work the counter, and I was awful. And so, for the past 16 years, I've been working for my brother. But yeah, I just wasn't cut out for for [the shop] business, honestly. What does your brother do? SG: He is a trademark attorney. Are you a attorney? A paralegal? SG: Paralegal. (Laughs) But now, Tony, I'm an actor! The show, especially season two, covers a lot of topics that can be dicey to approach comedically. This season, Shane brings a gun to work — and that's just the first episode. Is it a purposeful choice to go hit on all of the subjects you're not supposed to joke about in polite company? SG: I'm going to take that one because John would be too modest to answer this. It's John. He knows how to walk that line, and he will also— sometimes it's very hard in the moment when everybody's pitching, like, funny ideas or whatever, to be the bad guy and be like, 'That's too far.' And yet he makes those decisions. And it is John. That is a very specific thing where it's like, he— Shane can walk a line too, we've all seen that. But insofar as the writing process, John is just so good at that. JM: Steve and I, we spend a lot of time on that. There's a few rules that we we follow and that we generally believe in. And one of them is like, 'Is this funny or is this mean?' If it feels mean, it's got to go. If it's to make a point, you know, if it's to make some lame political point — one way or the other — where you're trying to get people watching, not to laugh, but to go, 'Hmm, I agree with that.' Then that fucking sucks. We've spent a lot of time talking about, like, what we can and can't say. And I think we can say anything. I think anything's on the table, but it's that whole thing of, 'Are we making sure that the right person is the butt of the joke here?' And we are ingratiating our characters to the audience enough for them to grant us forgiveness. 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