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Meghan Markle Podcast Loses in Charts to Her Biggest Critics
Based on facts, either observed and verified firsthand by the reporter, or reported and verified from knowledgeable sources. Newsweek AI is in beta. Translations may contain inaccuracies—please refer to the original content. Meghan Markle's podcast was outperformed during its nine-week run by rival shows from staunch critics. The Duchess of Sussex launched Confessions of a Female Founder on April 8 and the final episode dropped on June 3. At its height, Meghan's show hit second place among Apple podcasts but quickly slipped down the charts after the first two episodes while on Spotify it hovered around 21st place. That put it behind some big-name political and debate podcasts from commentators with whom she does not see eye to eye. Meghan Markle listens to the radio through headphones during a visit tot Reprezent 107.3FM at Pop Brixton, in London, England, on January 9, 2018. Meghan Markle listens to the radio through headphones during a visit tot Reprezent 107.3FM at Pop Brixton, in London, England, on January 9, 2018. Dominic Lipinski -Meghan Markle's Position in the Spotify Charts Newsweek reported Confessions came into the Spotify charts at number 24 on April 10 and archived versions of the site show that by April 12 it had dropped out of the top 100 again. By April 14, it was back in at number 21, polling in the same position on several other dates leading to June 7, according versions of the chart list that were archived across April, May and June. The show has since dropped out of the top 100. Meghan's Position in the Apple Podcast Charts Historical Apple chart data is more difficult to recover due to the way the website is set up, with archived versions limited to the top six podcasts only. Confessions did particularly well on Apple after its first episode, which featured Bumble's Whitney Wolfe Herd, dropped on April 8, landing it in second place by April 12 and 13. And its second episode, featuring Reshma Saujani, founder of nonprofit Girls Who Code, also landed Confessions in fifth place on April 15. However, Newsweek has not been able to find record of the podcast returning to the top six beyond that point and news reports recorded it dropping out of the top 200 by April 26. All of which puts it someway behind high-profile rivals and critics of the couple. Tucker Carlson Former Fox News host Carlson consistently came in the top 10 on Spotify throughout this period, usually fifth or seventh, with The Tucker Carlson Show. He has previously said that Piers Morgan losing his job for doubting Meghan's account of suicidal thoughts "was the most insane thing I've ever seen." He added in the January interview with Morgan: "Meghan Markle does not represent Black people in the United States." Candace Owens Candace came in ninth or tenth place in the week's when Meghan's show was at 21st. In January, Owens denounced Meghan and Harry for visiting the L.A. wildfire disaster zone, telling Newsweek in a statement: "I agree with the general public sentiment that Meghan and Harry are inauthentic ambulance chasers." Joe Rogan The Joe Rogan Experience was at the top of the Spotify charts on Monday, and was consistently among the top few shows on both Spotify and Apple throughout the period. Its host has been far less personally critical of the Sussexes than Carlson, Owens and others but Harry and Meghan took aim at him in January 2022, during the COVID-19 era. The couple released a statement via their spokesperson confirming they had been "expressing concerns to our partners at Spotify about the all-too-real consequences of Covid-19 misinformation on its platform." The comment was widely interpreted as a veiled swipe at Rogan, who also appeared to read it that way and hit back during a light-hearted skit on his Netflix comedy special Burn the Boats in August 2024. Rogan joked he wanted to do magic mushrooms with Harry and wait until they kick in before saying: "I'm going to hover over him and say, 'Are you sure vaccines are safe? B****, you're not a scientist!'" Other High-Profile Critics During the weeks in which Confessions was number 21 on Spotify, Meghan outperformed Ben Shapiro and Megyn Kelly, who are both consistent features of the Spotify and Apple top 100 lists but at times lower down. The fact Meghan's show quickly dropped down the lists, however, will leave hosts like Shapiro and Kelly able to claim a greater degree of consistency. Shapiro gave an interview to Piers Morgan in 2023 in which he said: "They're just the worst. I actually read Prince Harry's awful memoir and the number of things that are obviously not true, and the absolute self-delusion, and arrogant self-delusion..." Kelly regularly criticizes Meghan. For example in 2023, she addressed Prince Harry: "Your wife's a bully. Her former press communications person who worked for both you and your brother, Jason Knauf, is on the record about the bullying she committed against people who were younger than or were less powerful than she was within the palace, who she made cry all the time." Meghan has denied bullying palace staff. Link Lauren, a former Robert F. Kennedy Jr. aide, also hit a peak on Apple when his show Spot On first launched on May 12, entering the charts in fifth on May 13. It too subsequently dropped down the list and was positioned at 159th on Monday. Lauren earlier this year said: "Meghan Markle the Duchess of Scamalot just dropped the trailer for her new Netflix show and let me just say it was one of the most out of touch things I've seen in a while. "Most Americans right now, most people in the world, are struggling to put food on the table, they're struggling to pay their rent, to pay their mortgage. Who wants to watch an ex-duchess traipse around her mansion picking flowers?" Both Meghan's two podcast series, Confessions and the 2022 show Archetypes, have opted for limited runs which means they have come and gone in the space of only a few months, never cementing a long-term position in the charts. That may well work for Meghan in terms of the range of commitments she has, including her Netflix contract and online shop, though a longer-term consequence may be that her shows become less embedded in the public imagination as a result. Jack Royston is chief royal correspondent for Newsweek, based in London. You can find him on X, formerly Twitter, at @jack_royston and read his stories on Newsweek's The Royals Facebook page. Do you have a question about Charles and Queen Camilla, Prince William and Princess Kate, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, or their family that you would like our experienced royal correspondents to answer? Email royals@ We'd love to hear from you.
Yahoo
20-02-2025
- Business
- Yahoo
Joe Rogan's Infatuation With Elon Musk Is Angering His Fans
Joe Rogan helped Donald Trump make historic gains with young, often politically disengaged men in November, showing how a largely non-political podcaster with a broad following can nevertheless influence politics. But since the election, 'The Joe Rogan Experience' has taken a different tack, focusing less on his usual fare of comedy or weird science. Instead, Rogan has become dedicated to defending one increasingly important political actor in Trump's administration: Elon Musk. A vocal contingent of Rogan's fans is none too pleased. The sudden turn toward Musk, who's emerged as a force behind many of the broadest changes in the early weeks of the new administration, is roiling the online spaces where his many fans, who are used to a more varied and less nakedly pro-administration podcast, gather. A 1.5 million subscriber subreddit dedicated to Rogan — where fans of his podcast congregate to discuss the show and any other Rogan-related drama — has in recent days been overrun with memes and other posts complaining about Musk, the Trump administration and Rogan's recent regular, full-throated defenses of the work of DOGE, the Musk-led initiative to slash federal spending. A quick scroll through the comments reveals messages like 'Joe and his anti-elite billionaire friends are becoming the swamp they've always hated,' and 'Joe is state run propagandist media. Very nice.' Another adds, 'I seriously can't even listen to him anymore. It sucks so much man. I really loved this show.' Prominent podcasters are used to getting hate on social media, even from their most regular listeners. And redditors, in particular, are not necessarily representative of the feelings of the larger audience — the subreddit dedicated to Rogan is certainly more politically liberal than his average fan is likely to be and has complained about him for years. But this recent onslaught is notable for its scale, its intensity and its type. The mostly good-natured ribbing is gone, replaced by a very specific kind of frustration — the idea that he's sold out his base. Rogan's genuflections before the leader of DOGE are straining the limits of his credibility and appeal. As Musk works directly with the Trump administration, Rogan now runs the risk of sounding like a standard political podcaster defending his team. What he taught his listeners over the years — don't trust the people in charge — is redounding onto him. There are few overt signs it's hurting his listenership (at time of publication he was sitting at third in the Apple Podcast Charts; he's regularly occupied the top slot in the past), but Rogan's enthusiasm for Musk has the potential to change the nature of his show and ironically make him a much less influential political commentator. 'There's an essential appeal to independence, and fair-mindedness, and anti-system, anti-establishment politics,' says Max Read, a journalist who covers internet culture and the tech industry and writes a newsletter called Read Max. 'Then that gets scrambled, and all of a sudden [Rogan] finds himself defending the establishment.' On his show recently, Rogan argued that '[Musk] is a super genius that's been fucked with. And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three letter agencies and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive … well, you fucked up. You fucked up and you picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum, because he's going to hunt you down. He's going to find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody.' Rogan caveats his position by placing both himself and Musk outside the political establishment, just two essentially apolitical guys who are interested in rooting out corruption. But he's also running much more basic political cover for Musk. After Musk's gestures at the inauguration drew comparisons to a Nazi salute, Rogan asked a guest — comedian Bridget Phetasy — whether she'd 'seen the Kamala one, doing the Heil Hitler,' referring to a video of Harris with her arm raised that Trump and Musk defenders circulated online. Phetasy also suggested Musk's 'autism' may have been involved. The seemingly Musk-pilled podcast has mentioned the Tesla CEO and co-founder by name multiple times on all but two of the 14 podcasts released since the inauguration, and in those two podcasts Rogan still mentioned Trump and the new administration. Musk himself is a five-time guest on 'The Joe Rogan Experience,' and Rogan has repeatedly expressed his admiration for the tech founder over the years. Still, Rogan's insistence on Musk's righteousness — and the politics now attached to him — has become more frequent and louder. In the leadup to the election, Trump's appearance on Rogan and other mostly lifestyle or comedy podcasts was effective precisely because it enabled him to reach an audience insistent that it's not interested in politics. Listening to Rogan — whose numbers dwarfed those of any other podcast on Spotify, according to information released by the service in 2024 — was a way to avoid the news. And he built up a trust with his audience as a commentator without strong ties to either party or movement who nevertheless decided to endorse Trump. His political ideology didn't align perfectly with either major party — it was always about a deep distrust of government systems, institutions and overreach. He endorsed Bernie Sanders in the 2020 Democratic primary. Now, however, Rogan's interest in Musk and Trump seems to pervade every podcast segment he has. 'It's no coincidence that Musk himself is trying as hard as he can to continue to cast himself as not part of the government, working against the government somehow, because he knows there's a huge amount of power in that kind of anti-system, anti-establishment politics,' Read says. 'But it's increasingly difficult for him to make those claims. And I think Rogan, to the extent that he wants to keep defending Musk, faces the same dilemma … I wonder if the politics are becoming too much, and this is alienating a number of listeners for whom that is not, and has never really been, the attraction.' Social media discourse of Rogan reflects that alienation. Other top comments on Rogan's recent episodes on Reddit include 'I really miss the old Joe, he's a cuck now,' and 'Old Rogan fans know that this podcast has essentially become a right wing talk show now.' Kyle Kulinski, a six-time Rogan guest who's a progressive populist commentator, spoofed Rogan on X and on YouTube on Thursday, pretending to be him in a sing-songy voice saying, 'Oh, my puny brain could never live up to the amazing big brain of Elon Musk, oh, he's such a mega-genius, I don't even feel human when I'm near him because he's just so smart.' A representative for Rogan did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Some of Rogan's podcasts remain non-political. And certainly, many of Rogan's listeners are fully behind his pivot towards defending Trump and Musk. Top YouTube comments on his shows regularly praise Rogan for helping to 'expose corruption' and describe him as a 'hero.' Others insist that DOGE's actions have further proved taxation is theft. But even those comments are distinct from the ones he used to get about an interesting piece of content or funny back and forth — they're largely fellow Trump and Musk fans expressing their thanks. Some fans are simply nostalgic for the pre-Musk-obsessed Rogan. 'I miss laughing in my car or actually learning something interesting with JRE,' a former fan insisted. 'Everything is right-wing politics now. This pod sucks.' Jamie Cohen, a professor at CUNY Queens College who teaches and writes about digital culture, believes Rogan is enamored with Elon, while his median listener doesn't think about Musk much at all. 'That's where the problem comes from,' Cohen says. '[Musk] is a provocateur. The average person doesn't have much time for that, except for the viral clips that come out of it. And being overloaded with that is exhausting.'
Yahoo
19-02-2025
- Business
- Yahoo
Joe Rogan's Elon Musk Love Affair
Joe Rogan helped Donald Trump make historic gains with young, often politically disengaged men in November, showing how a largely non-political podcaster with a broad following can nevertheless influence politics. But since the election, 'The Joe Rogan Experience' has taken a different tack, focusing less on his usual fare of comedy or weird science. Instead, Rogan has become dedicated to defending one increasingly important political actor in Trump's administration: Elon Musk. A vocal contingent of Rogan's fans is none too pleased. The sudden turn toward Musk, who's emerged as a force behind many of the broadest changes in the early weeks of the new administration, is roiling the online spaces where his many fans, who are used to a more varied and less nakedly pro-administration podcast, gather. A 1.5 million subscriber subreddit message board dedicated to Rogan — where fans of his podcast congregate to discuss the show and any other Rogan-related drama — has in recent days been overrun with memes and other posts complaining about Musk, the Trump administration and Rogan's recent regular, full-throated defenses of the work of DOGE, the Musk-led initiative to slash federal spending. A quick scroll through the comments reveals messages like 'Joe and his anti-elite billionaire friends are becoming the swamp they've always hated,' and 'Joe is state run propagandist media. Very nice.' Another adds, 'I seriously can't even listen to him anymore. It sucks so much man. I really loved this show.' Prominent podcasters are used to getting hate on social media, even from their most regular listeners. And redditors, in particular, are not necessarily representative of the feelings of the larger audience — the subreddit dedicated to Rogan is certainly more politically liberal than his average fan is likely to be and has complained about him for years. But this recent onslaught is notable for its scale, its intensity and its type. The mostly good-natured ribbing is gone, replaced by a very specific kind of frustration — the idea that he's sold out his base. Rogan's genuflections before the leader of DOGE are straining the limits of his credibility and appeal. As Musk works directly with the Trump administration, Rogan now runs the risk of sounding like a standard political podcaster defending his team. What he taught his listeners over the years — don't trust the people in charge — is redounding onto him. There are few overt signs it's hurting his listenership (at time of publication he was sitting at third in the Apple Podcast Charts; he's regularly occupied the top slot in the past), but Rogan's enthusiasm for Musk has the potential to change the nature of his show and ironically make him a much less influential political commentator. 'There's an essential appeal to independence, and fair-mindedness, and anti-system, anti-establishment politics,' says Max Read, a journalist who covers internet culture and the tech industry and writes a newsletter called Read Max. 'Then that gets scrambled, and all of a sudden [Rogan] finds himself defending the establishment.' On his show recently, Rogan argued that '[Musk] is a super genius that's been fucked with. And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three letter agencies and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive … well, you fucked up. You fucked up and you picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum, because he's going to hunt you down. He's going to find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody.' Rogan caveats his position by placing both himself and Musk outside the political establishment, just two essentially apolitical guys who are interested in rooting out corruption. But he's also running much more basic political cover for Musk. After Musk's gestures at the inauguration drew comparisons to a Nazi salute, Rogan asked a guest — comedian Bridget Phetasy — whether she'd 'seen the Kamala one, doing the Heil Hitler,' referring to a video of Harris with her arm raised that Trump and Musk defenders circulated online. Phetasy also suggested Musk's 'autism' may have been involved. The seemingly Musk-pilled podcast has mentioned the Tesla CEO and co-founder by name multiple times on all but two of the 14 podcasts released since the inauguration, and in those two podcasts Rogan still mentioned Trump and the new administration. Musk himself is a five-time guest on 'The Joe Rogan Experience,' and Rogan has repeatedly expressed his admiration for the tech founder over the years. Still, Rogan's insistence on Musk's righteousness — and the politics now attached to him — has become more frequent and louder. In the leadup to the election, Trump's appearance on Rogan and other mostly lifestyle or comedy podcasts was effective precisely because it enabled him to reach an audience insistent that it's not interested in politics. Listening to Rogan — whose numbers dwarfed those of any other podcast on Spotify, according to information released by the service in 2024 — was a way to avoid the news. And he built up a trust with his audience as a commentator without strong ties to either party or movement who nevertheless decided to endorse Trump. His political ideology didn't align perfectly with either major party — it was always about a deep distrust of government systems, institutions and overreach. He endorsed Bernie Sanders in the 2020 Democratic primary. Now, however, Rogan's interest in Musk and Trump seems to pervade every podcast segment he has. 'It's no coincidence that Musk himself is trying as hard as he can to continue to cast himself as not part of the government, working against the government somehow, because he knows there's a huge amount of power in that kind of anti-system, anti-establishment politics,' Read says. 'But it's increasingly difficult for him to make those claims. And I think Rogan, to the extent that he wants to keep defending Musk, faces the same dilemma … I wonder if the politics are becoming too much, and this is alienating a number of listeners for whom that is not, and has never really been, the attraction.' Social media discourse of Rogan reflects that alienation. Other top comments on Rogan's recent episodes on Reddit include 'I really miss the old Joe, he's a cuck now,' and 'Old Rogan fans know that this podcast has essentially become a right wing talk show now.' Kyle Kulinski, a six-time Rogan guest who's a progressive populist commentator, spoofed Rogan on X and on YouTube on Thursday, pretending to be him in a sing-songy voice saying, 'Oh, my puny brain could never live up to the amazing big brain of Elon Musk, oh, he's such a mega-genius, I don't even feel human when I'm near him because he's just so smart.' Some of Rogan's podcasts remain non-political. And certainly, many of Rogan's listeners are fully behind his pivot towards defending Trump and Musk. Top YouTube comments on his shows regularly praise Rogan for helping to 'expose corruption' and describe him as a 'hero.' Others insist that DOGE's actions have further proved taxation is theft. But even those comments are distinct from the ones he used to get about an interesting piece of content or funny back and forth — they're largely fellow Trump and Musk fans expressing their thanks. Some fans are simply nostalgic for the pre-Musk-obsessed Rogan. 'I miss laughing in my car or actually learning something interesting with JRE,' a former fan insisted. 'Everything is right-wing politics now. This pod sucks.' Jamie Cohen, a professor at CUNY Queens College who teaches and writes about digital culture, believes Rogan is enamored with Elon, while his median listener doesn't think about Musk much at all. 'That's where the problem comes from,' Cohen says. '[Musk] is a provocateur. The average person doesn't have much time for that, except for the viral clips that come out of it. And being overloaded with that is exhausting.'
Politico
19-02-2025
- Business
- Politico
Joe Rogan's Elon Musk Love Affair
Joe Rogan helped Donald Trump make historic gains with young, often politically disengaged men in November, showing how a largely non-political podcaster with a broad following can nevertheless influence politics. But since the election, 'The Joe Rogan Experience' has taken a different tack, focusing less on his usual fare of comedy or weird science. Instead, Rogan has become dedicated to defending one increasingly important political actor in Trump's administration: Elon Musk. A vocal contingent of Rogan's fans is none too pleased. The sudden turn toward Musk, who's emerged as a force behind many of the broadest changes in the early weeks of the new administration, is roiling the online spaces where his many fans, who are used to a more varied and less nakedly pro-administration podcast, gather. A 1.5 million subscriber subreddit message board dedicated to Rogan — where fans of his podcast congregate to discuss the show and any other Rogan-related drama — has in recent days been overrun with memes and other posts complaining about Musk, the Trump administration and Rogan's recent regular, full-throated defenses of the work of DOGE, the Musk-led initiative to slash federal spending. A quick scroll through the comments reveals messages like 'Joe and his anti-elite billionaire friends are becoming the swamp they've always hated,' and 'Joe is state run propagandist media. Very nice.' Another adds, 'I seriously can't even listen to him anymore. It sucks so much man. I really loved this show.' Prominent podcasters are used to getting hate on social media, even from their most regular listeners. And redditors, in particular, are not necessarily representative of the feelings of the larger audience — the subreddit dedicated to Rogan is certainly more politically liberal than his average fan is likely to be and has complained about him for years. But this recent onslaught is notable for its scale, its intensity and its type. The mostly good-natured ribbing is gone, replaced by a very specific kind of frustration — the idea that he's sold out his base. Rogan's genuflections before the leader of DOGE are straining the limits of his credibility and appeal. As Musk works directly with the Trump administration, Rogan now runs the risk of sounding like a standard political podcaster defending his team. What he taught his listeners over the years — don't trust the people in charge — is redounding onto him. There are few overt signs it's hurting his listenership (at time of publication he was sitting at third in the Apple Podcast Charts; he's regularly occupied the top slot in the past), but Rogan's enthusiasm for Musk has the potential to change the nature of his show and ironically make him a much less influential political commentator. 'There's an essential appeal to independence, and fair-mindedness, and anti-system, anti-establishment politics,' says Max Read, a journalist who covers internet culture and the tech industry and writes a newsletter called Read Max. 'Then that gets scrambled, and all of a sudden [Rogan] finds himself defending the establishment.' On his show recently, Rogan argued that '[Musk] is a super genius that's been fucked with. And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three letter agencies and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive … well, you fucked up. You fucked up and you picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum, because he's going to hunt you down. He's going to find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody.' Rogan caveats his position by placing both himself and Musk outside the political establishment, just two essentially apolitical guys who are interested in rooting out corruption. But he's also running much more basic political cover for Musk. After Musk's gestures at the inauguration drew comparisons to a Nazi salute, Rogan asked a guest — comedian Bridget Phetasy — whether she'd 'seen the Kamala one, doing the Heil Hitler,' referring to a video of Harris with her arm raised that Trump and Musk defenders circulated online. Phetasy also suggested Musk's 'autism' may have been involved. The seemingly Musk-pilled podcast has mentioned the Tesla CEO and co-founder by name multiple times on all but two of the 14 podcasts released since the inauguration, and in those two podcasts Rogan still mentioned Trump and the new administration. Musk himself is a five-time guest on 'The Joe Rogan Experience,' and Rogan has repeatedly expressed his admiration for the tech founder over the years. Still, Rogan's insistence on Musk's righteousness — and the politics now attached to him — has become more frequent and louder. In the leadup to the election, Trump's appearance on Rogan and other mostly lifestyle or comedy podcasts was effective precisely because it enabled him to reach an audience insistent that it's not interested in politics. Listening to Rogan — whose numbers dwarfed those of any other podcast on Spotify, according to information released by the service in 2024 — was a way to avoid the news. And he built up a trust with his audience as a commentator without strong ties to either party or movement who nevertheless decided to endorse Trump. His political ideology didn't align perfectly with either major party — it was always about a deep distrust of government systems, institutions and overreach. He endorsed Bernie Sanders in the 2020 Democratic primary. Now, however, Rogan's interest in Musk and Trump seems to pervade every podcast segment he has. 'It's no coincidence that Musk himself is trying as hard as he can to continue to cast himself as not part of the government, working against the government somehow, because he knows there's a huge amount of power in that kind of anti-system, anti-establishment politics,' Read says. 'But it's increasingly difficult for him to make those claims. And I think Rogan, to the extent that he wants to keep defending Musk, faces the same dilemma … I wonder if the politics are becoming too much, and this is alienating a number of listeners for whom that is not, and has never really been, the attraction.' Social media discourse of Rogan reflects that alienation. Other top comments on Rogan's recent episodes on Reddit include 'I really miss the old Joe, he's a cuck now,' and 'Old Rogan fans know that this podcast has essentially become a right wing talk show now.' Kyle Kulinski, a six-time Rogan guest who's a progressive populist commentator, spoofed Rogan on X and on YouTube on Thursday, pretending to be him in a sing-songy voice saying, 'Oh, my puny brain could never live up to the amazing big brain of Elon Musk, oh, he's such a mega-genius, I don't even feel human when I'm near him because he's just so smart.' Some of Rogan's podcasts remain non-political. And certainly, many of Rogan's listeners are fully behind his pivot towards defending Trump and Musk. Top YouTube comments on his shows regularly praise Rogan for helping to 'expose corruption' and describe him as a 'hero.' Others insist that DOGE's actions have further proved taxation is theft. But even those comments are distinct from the ones he used to get about an interesting piece of content or funny back and forth — they're largely fellow Trump and Musk fans expressing their thanks. Some fans are simply nostalgic for the pre-Musk-obsessed Rogan. 'I miss laughing in my car or actually learning something interesting with JRE,' a former fan insisted. 'Everything is right-wing politics now. This pod sucks.' Jamie Cohen, a professor at CUNY Queens College who teaches and writes about digital culture, believes Rogan is enamored with Elon, while his median listener doesn't think about Musk much at all. 'That's where the problem comes from,' Cohen says. '[Musk] is a provocateur. The average person doesn't have much time for that, except for the viral clips that come out of it. And being overloaded with that is exhausting.'
