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‘The biggest mistake of my life': 6 actors on typecasting, comedy idols and more
Hailing from some of today's funniest TV series, six actors gathered recently for an uninhibited conversation about what it takes to make people laugh at The Envelope's Emmy Roundtable for comedy actors. In Netflix's 'Running Point,' Kate Hudson plays Isla, a woman who becomes pro basketball's first girl boss when she takes over the family franchise. In ABC's 'Abbott Elementary,' Lisa Ann Walter portrays Melissa Schemmenti, a tough grade school teacher in Philly's underfunded public education system. With Hulu's 'Mid-Century Modern,' Nathan Lane takes on the role of Bunny, an aging gay man who brings together a chosen family when he invites two friends to reside in his Palm Springs home. 'Hacks' co-creator Paul W. Downs does double duty as Jimmy, the manager to legendary comedian Deborah Vance (Jean Smart) in the Max series. Bridget Everett, creator of HBO's 'Somebody Somewhere,' plays Sam, a cabaret singer who moves back to her family's sleepy Kansas town to take care of her dying sister. And David Alan Grier stars as Dr. Ron, a devoted physician and cranky veteran who's seen it all in the overrun ER of a small-town hospital in NBC's 'St. Denis Medical.' The talented group spoke with The Times about their respective shows, typecasting and the risks one takes to make great comedy. Read on for excerpts from our discussion — and watch video of the roundtable below. The best comedy pushes boundaries, which means it can also skirt the edge of offensive. How do you know if you've gone too far, or haven't pushed it enough? Downs: In the 'Hacks' pilot, Jean Smart's character, Deborah Vance, says there is no line. I think there's nothing off limits, because it's really about execution and thoughtfulness. The thing that makes edgy comedy not funny is when it causes harm, when it's something that's punching down, when it's not something that can bring people together. That, to me, isn't worth it. But there's nothing that's too taboo, because that's what comedy is for. It's to examine things, explore things, get close to the edge. Everett: I think that comedy is about making people feel good. I want to make people feel joy. So as long as I'm not hurting anybody's feelings, I think everything's on the table. Grier: I don't think you know the edge and that's why it's dangerous. I've done things where I thought, 'This is too much,' and things where I thought, 'We didn't go far enough.' So you have to play that game. My intention is never to anger and offend, but you do have to put yourself in that position and take a chance, especially with comedy. You can prescreen it, but who are you prescreening it to? Sixty-year-old white women? High school kids? You have to take a chance. Hudson: I'm not a stand-up [comedian], so it's fun to watch people walk that line. It's exciting. What are they going to say? Is it going to be offensive? Is it not? Is it going to be brilliant? That's part of what's fun about being an audience of adult comedy. But I don't like mean comedy. It's really hard for me to see. I've been asked to do roasts a million times, and I just can't do it. It just doesn't move me in any way. Lane: I was asked. This was the biggest mistake of my life. ... A Friars [Club] Roast that was going to happen. [Jerry Lewis] was going to be roasted. And Richard Belzer said to me, 'Oh, Nathan, would you be a part of it? Would you do it? It would mean a lot to Jerry.' And I'm like, 'Oh, yeah, sure. I'll do the roast.' And then I'm suddenly there and I'm sitting next to Paul Shaffer and Jeff Ross, who apologized in advance for what he might say. And I realized then that, 'Oh, you're not getting up and just roasting this person. You're attacked. You're on the dais.' So I thought, 'Oh, what have I gotten into?' And I had asked them, 'Please let me go first.' And I had worked out jokes. I had a couple of writers help me, and there was an initial joke, which was, 'The only reason I agreed to do this was because I thought by the time it happened, Jerry would be dead.' Walter: I'm on a show that's got a lot of kids, and families can watch it together, which was [creator] Quinta Brunson's intention. But there are things that the kids won't get and that adults get. Melissa Schemmenti gets bleeped out regularly because she curses. She's South Philly! As a comic, I only am interested in edge, that's where I want to live … It's easier to make a point and get ears when you're making people laugh. And we do that on the show quite frequently. They'll do a storyline about the school-to-prison pipeline, but it's not ham-fisted, it's not preachy. It's edgy and it's all within jokes. Anytime you're making people laugh, I think you can say whatever you want. What's the strangest or most difficult skill you've had to learn for a role? Hudson: In 'Almost Famous,' [director] Cameron [Crowe] wanted me to learn how to roll cigarettes fast with one hand. And so I was learning how to roll, and I got really good at it really fast. And then when we were doing camera tests, I was doing it and I was smoking. And he was like, 'No.' And I was like, 'What? I just spent months trying to learn how to do that!' Then I started rolling my own cigarettes and got into a really bad habit and then spent years trying to quit. Downs: On 'Broad City,' I had to learn and do parkour. It's high skill level and high risk. You know, when you jump off buildings and roll around ... [leap] off chairs and over fire hydrants. I did it, but not a lot of it ended up onscreen. Just the most comedic moments. I jumped between buildings and they didn't even put it in! Lane: When I did 'Only Murders in the Building,' they said, 'So you have a deaf son and you're going to have scenes with him in ASL [American Sign Language].' It was challenging. I had a coach and I would work with him. And the wonderful young actor, James Caverly, who is Deaf ... he was very supportive. If I had to become fluent, it would've taken six months to a year to do it well. But I had an advantage; they said, 'Oh, your character is embarrassed by having a deaf son, so he didn't learn it until later in life. So he's not that good at it.' But it was a great thing to learn. I loved it. Grier: I did an episode of a sitcom in which it was assumed, unbeknownst to me, that I was very proficient playing an upright bass. This is not true. I played cello as a child. I had to play this upright bass and as a jazz musician. It was horrible. Your fingers swell and blister and bleed. Of course, I went along with it because that's what we're all supposed to do. But by Day 4, my fingers were in great pain. I never mastered it. But I did want to ask them, 'Who told you I could play?' Everett: I did a little trapeze work, but since the knee thing, I can't anymore … [Laughs] Lane: This was the independent film about the Wallendas, right? Everett: The truth is I've never had to do anything. Really. I had to rollerblade once in a Moby video, but that doesn't seem like it's going to stack up against all this, so maybe we should just move on to the next person. I would do trapeze, though. I'll do anything. Well, not anything. Can we just edit this part out in post? Hudson: I'm in love with you. Walter: In a movie I did where I started out as the nosy neighbor, I found out that I was going to be a cougar assassin and I had to stunt drive a Mustang and shoot a Glock. It was a surprise. Literally. When I got to set, I saw my wardrobe and went, 'I think I'm playing a different character than what I auditioned for.' ... They put the car on a chain and I got T-boned. I was terrified, but then I was like, 'Let's go again!' That was the most dangerous thing until I had to do a South Philly accent as Melissa, and do it good enough so that South Philly wouldn't kill me. That was probably more dangerous. Let's talk about typecasting. What are the types of roles that frequently come to you, where you're like 'Oh, my God, not again!' Lane: Oh, not another mysterious drifter. Hudson: Rom-coms. If I can't get a job doing anything else, I can get a job doing a romantic comedy. When you have major success in something, you realize the business is just so excited [that] they want you in them all the time. It really has nothing to do with anything other than that. It's something that I'm very grateful for, but you're constantly having to fight to do different things. I'd be bored if I was constantly doing the same thing over and over again. But it's just how the business works. Once you're in that machine, they just want to keep going until they go to somebody else. Walter: I can't tell you how bored I am with being the gorgeous object of men's desire. I named my first production company Fat Funny Friend … But as a mother of four in Los Angeles, I didn't really have the luxury of saying, 'I want to branch out.' But I did say, 'Can I play someone smart?' My father was a NASA physicist. My mother was brilliant. I was over doing things I could do in my sleep, always getting the part of the woman who sticks her head out of the trailer door and goes, 'I didn't kill him, but I ain't sorry he's dead!' ... It's like, 'Can I play someone who has a college education?' And I did, finally, but it took Quinta to do it. Grier: I've found that the older I've gotten, the roles I'm offered have broadened. And I've played a variety of really challenging great roles because I'm old now. That's been a real joy because I didn't really expect that. I just thought I'd be retired. I did. So it's been awesome. Lane: There was an article written about me, it was sort of a career-assessment article. It was a very nice piece, but it referred to me as the greatest stage entertainer of the last decade. And as flattering as it was, I can find a dark cloud in any silver lining. I felt, 'Oh, that's how they see me?' As an 'entertainer' because of musicals and things [I did] like 'The Birdcage' or 'The Lion King.' I'd been an actor for 35 years and I thought, 'I have more to offer.' So I wound up doing 'The Iceman Cometh' in Chicago ... and that would change everything. It was the beginning of a process where I lucked out and got some serious roles in television, and that led to other things. But it was a concerted effort over a period of 10, 15 years, and difficult because everybody wants to put you in a box. Is it difficult in the industry to make the move between drama and comedy? Walter: It's a lifelong consternation to me that there is an idea that if you are known comedically, that's what you do. We are quite capable of playing all of the things. Grier: I remember seeing Jackie Gleason in 'The Hustler.' I loved it. He was so great. Robin Williams also did serious. I think it's actually harder when you see serious actors try to be comedians. Downs: One of the things about making 'Hacks' is we wanted to do something that was mixed tone, that it was funny and comedic but also let actors like myself, like Jean, all of these people, have moments. Because to us, the most funny things are right next to the most tragic things. Hudson: And usually the most classic. When you think about the movies that people know generation after generation, they're usually the ones that walk the line. And they're the ones that you just want to go back and watch over and over and over again. Everett: I haven't had a lot of experience with being typecast because I've been in the clubs for a long time doing cabaret. But on my show, Tim Bagley, who plays Brad … he's been doing the same characters for I don't know for how long. So we wrote this part for him, and one of the most rewarding things for me on this show was sitting behind the monitor and watching him get to have the moment he deserved ... It's one of the greatest gifts to me as a creator to have been part of that. It's a whole thing in my show. We're all getting this break together. We've all struggled to pay our rent well into our 40s. I waited tables into my 40s, but you don't give up because you love doing it. I'm sure many of you are recognized in public, but what about being mistaken for somebody else who's famous? Grier: I went to a performance of a David Mamet show on Broadway. I went backstage, and this particular day, it was when Broadway was raising money to benefit AIDS. There was a Midwestern couple there with their young son and they saw me, and the house manager said, 'This couple, they're going to give us an extra $1,000 if you take a picture with them. Would you mind?' I'm like, 'Yeah, cool.' So I'm posing and the dad goes, 'It is our honor to take a picture with you, Mr. LeVar Burton.' Now in that moment, I thought if I say no, people will die. So I looked at them and I went, 'You liked me in 'Roots?'' He said, 'We loved you.' Click, we took the picture. I'm not going to be like, 'How dare you?!' Walter: Peg Bundy I got a couple of times. But as soon as I open my mouth, they know who I am. I can hide my hair, but as soon as I talk, I'm made. Hudson: I've had a lot of Drew Barrymore. And then every other Kate. Kate Winslet, Katie Holmes ... I've gotten all of them. Walter: Do you correct them? Hudson: Never. I just say yes and sign it 'Cate Blanchett.' I'd love to know who everybody's comedic inspiration was growing up. Walter: My dad used to let me stay up and watch 'The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour' and 'Laugh-In.' I got to see Ruth Buzzi, rest in peace, and Goldie Hawn and Lily Tomlin. Jo Anne Worley. All these funny women. That's what made me think, 'You can get a job doing this, the thing that I get in trouble for at school?!' Grier: My comedy hero was Richard Pryor. I was this Black little boy in Detroit, and George Jessel would come on 'The Mike Douglas Show' and he might as well have been speaking Russian. I'm like, 'How can this be comedy?' Then I saw Richard Pryor, and he was the first comic who I just went, 'Well, this guy's hilarious.' Downs: I remember one of the first comedies that my dad showed me was 'Young Frankenstein.' I remember Teri Garr, Cloris Leachman and Madeline Kahn. All of these women. I was always like, 'They're the funniest ones.' Hudson: My era growing up was Steve Martin, Martin Short, Albert Brooks, Mel Brooks. But women were, for me, the classics. Lucille Ball. Walter: There was a time when I was growing up where women really dominated comedy. They were your mom [nods at Hudson, Hawn's daughter], Whoopi [Goldberg], Bette Midler. The biggest stars of the biggest comedies were women, and then that all went away for a really long time. I think it found its way back with Judd Apatow and then he made 'Bridesmaids.' Hudson: I tried really hard to make edgy comedy and studios wouldn't do it. They wouldn't. It took Judd to convince the studio system that women are ready. That we can handle rated-R. In the '70s and '80s, there was a ton of rated-R comedy with women. But for some reason, it just all of a sudden became like, 'Oh, there's only 1½ demographics for women in comedy.' I always felt like it was an uphill battle trying to get them made. Then I remember when Jenji [Kohan] came in with 'Orange Is the New Black.' That was really awesome. Lane: Above all, it was always Jackie Gleason for me. He was such an influence. He was hilarious, and of course, very broadly funny, but then there was something so sad. It was such pathos with him. ... He was this wonderful, serious actor, as well as being Ralph Kramden. Everett: There's nobody that taught me more about how to be funny than my mom. She just had this way of being that I have used in my live shows. It's led to where I am now. She used to wet her pants [laughing] so she had to put towels down on all the chairs in the house. She just didn't care. That shows you to not care, to go out there. I live in fear, but not when I feel like she's with me. Grier: That's the edge. You're either going to weep or you're going to [laugh] until you urinate.
Los Angeles Times
24-05-2025
- Entertainment
- Los Angeles Times
‘I hate the internet, but I got to see it': 7 Emmy contenders on fame, fandoms and more
Academy Award winner Billy Bob Thornton, who plays chain-smoking crisis manager Tommy Norris in Taylor Sheridan's latest hit 'Landman,' seems like a guy who can't be intimidated. But get him in a room with Allison Janney and the truth comes out. 'I was afraid of you,' he tells her sheepishly on The Envelope's Emmy Roundtable for drama actors. 'Really?' says Janney, the Oscar-, Emmy- and Golden Globe-winning performer who appears as cunning Vice President Grace Penn on the Netflix political thriller 'The Diplomat.' 'The first time I met Allison, it was at another press function thing,' he says to the room. 'And just seeing you, as an actor, and parts you play ... But also, you have this very dignified quality about you.' 'It's my height, I think.' 'No,' he continues. 'You just have the face of someone who is powerful and really intelligent. So some idiot like me comes in, and I'm like, 'Maybe I shouldn't talk to her.'' This is what happens when you gather seven Emmy contenders whose performances so convincingly shape our perceptions of who they are in real life. This year's group also included Sterling K. Brown, who plays Xavier Collins, a Secret Service agent seeking the truth in Hulu's 'Paradise'; Britt Lower, who plays both wealthy heiress Helena Eagan and defiant data refiner Helly R. in Apple TV+'s 'Severance'; Jason Isaacs, who plays Timothy Ratliff, an American financier desperately trying to keep a secret from his family in HBO's 'The White Lotus'; Noah Wyle, who plays Dr. Michael 'Robby' Robinavitch, a senior attending physician at a Pittsburgh trauma center in Max's 'The Pitt'; and Kaitlin Olson, who plays the underestimated but brilliant police consultant Morgan Gillory in ABC's 'High Potential.' Read on for excerpts from our discussion about how they tap into their layered performances, navigate the business and more — and watch video of the roundtable below. Tell me about an 'Oh, my God, did that just happen?' moment — good or bad — from your early years on a Hollywood set. Kaitlin, your first credit was 'Curb Your Enthusiasm.' I can't imagine what it's like making Larry David laugh. Olson: Oh, you just have to scream in his face and insult him, and then he thinks that's really, really funny. But yeah, there were no marks and there were no lines. So I didn't really have an 'Oh, my God' moment. You just talk and shut up when you should shut up. Isaacs: On my first day [on 1989's 'The Tall Guy'], I remember I arrived first thing in the morning. I was playing Surgeon No. 2 in a dream sequence that Jeff Goldblum was in. The director, who's hassled and busy, he goes, 'OK, we're going to start with you. We're coming in on the dolly. But because I'm on a very wide lens, if you could start the eyeline somewhere near the bottom of the jib and then just go to the corner of bottle, then take it to the edge of the matte box when we're getting close.' And I went, 'Right ... What the f— did any of those words mean?' Jeff is just out of frame. And he's in his underpants, and it's a dream sequence for him. And we're just about to go and roll the cameras, and Jeff goes, 'Hold on a second.' And he stands up and he starts standing on a chair reciting Byron love poems even though he was not in the shot. I'm like, 'I don't understand what the hell is going on here.' Years later, I sat next to him at a wedding and I said, 'Do you remember that night?' He went, 'Yeah.' Have there been moments where you fell out of love with acting or where you felt like, 'This isn't working out'? Janney: My career didn't start till I was 38 or something, because I'm so tall, and I was literally uncastable. I went to the Johnson O'Connor [Research Foundation]. And I did three days of testing to see what else I could possibly do. Issacs: What is that? Janney: It's an aptitude testing place. They ask you to do all this stuff, and at the end of it they say, 'This is what you should be.' And they told me I should be a systems analyst. I had no idea what that was. And the next day, I got cast understudying Faith Prince and Kate Nelligan in 'Bad Habits,' a play at the Manhattan Theatre Club. Brown: I've never fallen out of love with it. I was an economics major in college who wound up switching to drama. When I got out of grad school and [was] hopping around through regional theater, I wound up booking a TV show, 'Army Wives,' for six years, and a few years into the show, I was like, 'I think I've done everything that I want to do with the character.' So when they came dangling the carrot for people to reup after Season 6, I was like, 'I'm curious to see what else the universe has in store.' I was able to pay off student loans. We had our first child, I had a home and I was like, 'Let's take a gamble on Brown.' I did a pilot for AMC that didn't get picked up; then had a recurring [role] on 'Person of Interest' for six episodes. I was like, 'Oh, man, I got a wife and a kid and a house. Did I mess up? Should I have stayed on the show or not?' Then I auditioned for ['The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story'], and I didn't hear anything for four months. I was down in New Mexico shooting this movie, 'Whiskey Tango Foxtrot,' and I was having this really sort of morbid moment of going through my IMDb Pro account and looking at everybody who had booked all of the things that I had auditioned for. I was like, 'Oh, Bokeem Woodbine booked Season 2 of 'Fargo.' Good for him.' And I got a call from my manager saying, 'They want you to screen test with Sarah Paulson for this thing.' I was the only person that they brought in to audition for it. Your series are largely confronting or commenting on real-world anxieties or subjects that are changing in our world in real time. Noah, with Dr. Robbie and what he says about what's going on in the healthcare system — we're seeing him cope with the aftermath of COVID-19. We're seeing stories that are very timely about vaccinations. Talk about what was important to you with this series and what you wanted to show through these characters. Wyle: 'ER' was very much a patient-centric show in a lot of ways. And this was more of an exercise to be practitioner- and physician-centric, to really show the toll that the last five years since COVID has taken on that community. The thesis being that it is as fragile as the mental health of the people that we have in those jobs and the quality's what we received. Even though we had to peer into a crystal ball and try to figure out a year ago what would be the topical cases of today, we were really more interested in how everybody's coping mechanisms have allowed them to practice what they've been doing for the last five years. How they've compartmentalized the toll it's taken on them personally, and explore that in real time. Aggregate tension on a shift where you're just embedded with them without release. The outset was more about identifying the mental health of the practitioner than identifying the ills in society ... Can I just say how effing cool it is to sit at this table with you all and be the uncool one to say that I feel like my impostor syndrome is off the rails right now? Olson: No way. Hopefully you'll all guest star on each other's shows by the time this is over. Janney: I would love that. Britt, what really spoke to me about 'Severance' was its exploration of grief, but within that too, there's the corporate overreach and the work-life balance that I think all of us can appreciate. Did it show you anything about how you navigate your work-life balance or what you could do better? Lower: The cast talks a lot about how the 'Severance' procedure is kind of like what we do for a living. We go to work and put on a different outfit and assume a new identity. There were some moments where you're walking down the corridors on the way to your job, and there's kind of this meta quality of being inside of a show about compartmentalizing and switching into a different part of yourself. But I think it's so relatable. I think we do that as humans. We show up differently in different spaces in our lives, whether it's work or home or going home for the holidays, versus your baseball team. You just put on a different person really. Isaacs: If I go away to do a job on location somewhere, I can actually — even at my ripe old age; I'm a father and I'm a husband — just park my life and forget that. Now I see that metaphor very clearly and it's irresponsible. I'm so much more comfortable in the fictitious world than I am in the real world. Do you feel like there's a misconception that you guys are just all at the pool? Isaacs: I'm not really an actor anymore; I just do 'White Lotus' publicity for a job. And in the billions of interviews, people expect you to say, 'It was a holiday. We were in this resort.' Well, we're not really in the resort. So I've said a few times, 'You make friends. You lose friends, romances or whatever; things happen between departments and all the backstage drama that we're all used to.' Well, the online world went mad trying to deconstruct, trying to work out who knew who and who was [doing what]. Actually, I'm talking about all the crew and all the departments — not that it's anyone's business. But it's trying to deconstruct what we all think of each other. And what happened there is so much less interesting than Mike White's brilliant stories. You shouldn't be interested in who went to dinner with who. I kind of wish I hadn't opened my mouth about it, but I don't want to pretend it was a holiday. Not just the way that the show blew up but also the level of microscopic interest in anything any of us said, tweeted, posted — there aren't many new experiences for actors who've been around a long time, but this one has been shocking, and I'm quite glad that it's abating now. I'd like to return to my normal life, but I don't know how people who are uber-famous deal with it. Billy Bob, how did you come to navigate it? You've experienced the extreme effects of that. Thornton: You mean in the world of Hollywood and all that? Isaacs: Do you go to the supermarket, take the subway ... Do you do the stuff I do? Thornton: It depends on what year it is. I've gone through times where I couldn't go anywhere. Once my life got bigger, and that really happened with ... I mean, I was a working actor doing OK, but 'Sling Blade' is the one that, literally overnight, it was a crazy thing. From that point on, it's been pretty steady. What I've done to not get involved in all that is I don't really go anywhere. I'm either working or I'm at home with the family or in a recording studio or on the road. You don't see me in the [tabloid] magazines, at the parties and all that kind of stuff. I'll put it this way. Right now, with 'Landman,' we thought it was going to be successful. We had no idea that it was going to be like this. I mean, we've got fans in Iceland and stuff. I can't go to a Walmart in Texas. It's literally impossible. I tried it. I would walk three feet at a time. Texans, their personalities are also very big, and they don't really come up and go, 'Excuse me, mister.' It's not like that. It's like, 'Hey man, what's going on? Get in a picture with me.' I've had a reputation — weirdo. Angelina and I were vampires. We drank each other's blood. You look on the internet, and there's some kind of thing you're trying to look up and, inevitably, it'll show something else. So you go, 'I hate this. I hate the internet, but I got to see it.' Isaacs: There's no good version of you. You either look much better on the screen or much better in real life. I wanted to say [looks at Allison], because I was a huge 'West Wing' fan, I did some 'West Wing,' I couldn't break out of thinking that Bradley [Whitford] and Janel [Moloney] were, in fact, Josh and Donna. Did people think you were that political? People assumed you were that character? Janney: I've been such a disappointment for people who think that I am C. J. [Cregg, her character on 'The West Wing'], because I couldn't be less like her. I'm not that person who's able to verbally cut someone down in the second that she needs to. It was so great to play her, but I remember when they had the Democratic National [Convention] in California and there were more people who came up to me and asked me, 'After this is over, will you come work for us? Will you come to...' I'm like, 'You don't understand. I'm so not like that.' And now on 'The Diplomat,' playing the president of the United States and the smartest person in the room, it's so much fun for me to play those kind of women because I'm not [like that]. I mean, I'm not an idiot, but I know nothing about being in the world of politics or being manipulative. Kaitlin, 'It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia' is in its 17th season now. You're on 'Hacks.' When you're signing on to something like 'High Potential,' what factors do you consider when thinking about how long you want to commit to something? Olson: I don't ever want to play a character that starts to get old to me. 'Sunny' doesn't feel like that to me because it's a satire and the world's always providing us with new content. And we do eight to 10 episodes a season. So it's 17 seasons, which is insane, but it's not even 20 episodes. It's so much fun, which is the reason I'm not sick of that character yet. But I feel the same way as you, [Allison], when I'm playing characters who are super-smart, and then I have to talk about it, I just go into panic mode. How has it been getting into Morgan's head? Olson: I love the other characters that I play, but there's heart to this, and she's a good mom and she is very insecure but puts on a big show. I love that she's scrappy and has to figure it out, and she trusts that she will and doesn't rely on anybody else to help her figure it out. The most important thing are her kids. I think she's just fascinating to play. What's the most impressive skill you picked up on the job? Noah, you know I'm going to start with you. You went to medical boot camp. You've done really well with sutures. You can intubate any one of us, I think. Wyle: I've never performed one. Isaacs: The night is young. Wyle: I wish everybody an opportunity to slip into a role that you have such great muscle memory with from another aspect of your life when you play a musician or when you do circusing or whatever. When you do something you've done for so long, and then you get to do it again, it is just amazing how much it's in your body and how you don't have to worry about that stuff. There was a moment earlier where Sterling choked on the grape in the greenroom. I was so ready to intubate him, even if it wasn't necessary. Thornton: I went to air-traffic control school for 'Pushing Tin,' so I can still say, 'Delta 2376, turn left, 20-0-4-0' and 'Clear the Alice approach one-four right, call the tower one-eight-three,' because you just don't forget it. That's not air-traffic control, that's just a line. With Noah, he learns this skill that he has been doing over the years, and that kind of knowledge is invaluable. Anytime you have stuff to do, without just acting, like you're doing busy work — you're, like, here's how you do an appendectomy — and you learn and when you're picking up the right tools, you're saying the right stuff, you're making incisions — that stuff you've got to learn. Isaacs: One of the great privileges of being an actor that maybe doesn't show up onscreen is you get to walk in people's shoes. I shadowed heart surgeons and plastic surgeons and politicians and criminals and soldiers, and it's just an amazing privilege to be in people's lives and talk about it. And there may be some tiny bit you pick up for the screen.
