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New York Times
3 days ago
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- New York Times
The Athletic Hockey Show NHL Draft debate: Our panel ranks the top 12 prospects
By Max Bultman, Scott Wheeler and Corey Pronman By this point in the 2025 NHL Draft cycle, you know what the top of Corey Pronman's list looks like, just as you know Scott Wheeler's. If you're a regular listener to The Athletic Hockey Show Prospect Series or the Flo Hockey podcast 'Called Up,' you're also familiar with Max Bultman's and Chris Peters' takes on the 2025 draft class. Advertisement But what happens when those differing lists and perspectives are forced to collaborate and produce one shared list? Not just by taking the averages of each panelist's ranking, but through debate, persuasion and compromise? That was the question the most recent episode of TAHS Prospect Series set to answer. And the results lived up to the curiosity. By the end of nearly an hour and a half debating 12 prospects, the group settled on four tiers of players ranked 1 through 12, and no one on the panel got exactly what they wanted. Whether it was a favorite player slotted a little lower than hoped, or having to compromise high on a prospect with some risk, the collaborative nature of the process, meant to loosely mimic the process NHL teams go through to compare thoughts and produce a draft list, meant everyone had to give in somewhere. In most cases, our panel was able to reach satisfactory conclusions and cut deals to keep everyone content, even if there were some gritted teeth involved. But in cases of true gridlock, each analyst was given one 'super vote,' allowing them to break a 2-2 tie on a player they were particularly passionate about, in either direction. You can listen to the whole episode to hear how it all went down, but here were some of the key debates and takeaways from the exercise. This was our liveliest debate, which is fitting given Hagens has among the widest ranges of potential outcomes of the top group we debated. He came into the season as the favorite to be the first pick in the draft, but after a strong, though not necessarily spectacular, freshman season at Boston College — and perhaps some nitpicking of such a known player — there's real debate over where he fits within the top of this class. That was true in our debate, too. Pronman noted Hagens' outstanding track record over the years, including a 'really, really good' draft year at Boston College. He called him arguably the most offensively skilled player in the class, headlined by his skating. But he also raised the issue of Hagens' size, as a 5-foot-10 forward, and whether the relative lack of interior offense in his game this season could be a product of playing against bigger, stronger opponents — the kind he will continue to see as he progresses to the NHL. Advertisement Wheeler and Peters, meanwhile, were adamant in Hagens' favor, with Wheeler advocating for Hagens at No. 3 on our list and threatening to use his Super Vote to keep him no lower than No. 4 on the collective list. 'I have, actually, fewer questions — despite the fact that he's 5-foot-10, despite the fact that he didn't score a ton — I've got fewer questions about projecting James Hagens than I do about protecting Anton Frondell or Porter Martone,' Wheeler said. Peters took it a step further in rejecting Pronman's argument, telling Pronman, 'Corey, put the f—ing tape measure away, all right?' 'I think that we are gonna see a very different James Hagens this year,' Peters said. 'And I do think he'll be one of the best players in college hockey, and I feel like we're gonna have a reset. And when we're doing a redraft, he's gonna be really high on a redraft. … In terms of potential, he is my number three with a bullet.' But Hagens did not finish at No. 3. Bultman sided with Pronman on the debate between Hagens and Martone (the 6-foot-3 winger from the Brampton Steelheads), creating a 2-2 gridlock. Rather than use his tie-breaker, though, Wheeler opted to strike a compromise with Pronman that Hagens would sit behind Martone on the final list, but ahead of Frondell. Moncton (QMJHL) center Caleb Desnoyers was also mentioned at No. 3, but ultimately finished at No. 5. Peters still wanted Hagens at No. 3, but with the other three panelists already agreeing to that order, he had no choice but to, in his words, 'sit and stew in the corner.' Prior compromises came into play on multiple occasions through our process. The Martone-Hagens compromise, for example, resurfaced as an issue for Peters when discussing which tier to place Desnoyers into. He had Hagens ahead of Desnoyers, but Desnoyers ahead of Martone, making it tricky to place Desnoyers with Martone already ahead of Hagens on the consensus list. Advertisement And later on, Wheeler nominated Seattle (WHL) defenseman Radim Mrtka at number seven, but had to watch as the other analysts' votes not only bumped Mrtka down, but into a separate tier, which ultimately left him outside the top 10. But Wheeler did get passionate and use his veto vote to ensure that one of the draft's most divisive players did not end up higher than where he was comfortable. Brandon (WHL) center Roger McQueen has some of the best athletic tools in the class as a highly skilled 6-foot-5 center who can skate, but has struggled with a back injury. When the group was deadlocked as to which tier McQueen should fit into, Wheeler stepped in 'against taking a chance that we risk making a mistake on Roger McQueen.' That put McQueen into the fourth tier with Mrtka, instead of into a third tier that ultimately included OHL center Jake O'Brien, Swedish winger Victor Eklund, OHL forward Brady Martin and OHL defenseman Kashawn Aitcheson. After all the debating, the final top 12 — separated into four tiers — came out like this: Matthew Schaefer Michael Misa Porter Martone James Hagens Caleb Desnoyers Anton Frondell Jake O'Brien Victor Eklund Brady Martin Kashawn Aitcheson Roger McQueen Radim Mrtka (Photo of James Hagens: Richard T Gagnon / Getty Images)
New York Times
5 days ago
- Entertainment
- New York Times
NHL Mock Draft 2025: Pronman, Wheeler and Bultman play GM and pick Round 1
By Corey Pronman, Scott Wheeler and Max Bultman Two years ago, we tested out a new idea and called it our 'if I were GM' mock draft. The idea was simple: In place of the mock drafts our prospects writers Corey Pronman and Scott Wheeler do individually where they predict what will happen on draft day, we wanted to give them a chance to draft the first round making their own selections for each team. Advertisement Today, for a third year running, it's back by popular demand. Once again, Max Bultman has joined Pronman and Wheeler in making the selections as a way to limit their ability to read off each other's lists. The order for the first round was drawn at random, with Wheeler going first, Bultman second and Pronman third. Here's how they'd pick if they were in charge of each team's draft board. Schaefer, Michael Misa and James Hagens are my top three prospects in the class, so I can understand the desire to at least consider the hometown player. I'd certainly consider Misa long and hard too (I've debated ranking him atop by board at various points). The Islanders could use a top-of-the-lineup center, to be sure. I even understand the hesitancy some have in taking a D with a No. 1 pick. But I still think the right place to land is probably on Schaefer, who has the makings of a franchise defenseman. He's a world class skater who projects as a two-way stud and he would be my pick. — Wheeler The Sharks certainly would have loved to have gotten Schaefer, with defense more of a long-term need in their system, but Misa is an excellent alternative and adds to the impressive firepower they're amassing. Misa could become an outstanding second-line center behind Macklin Celebrini, or bump to the wing to form a dynamic future top line. In either case, the Sharks are building quite the foundation. — Bultman I get the first big decision of this mock. That's fine, it's why they pay me to be the (mock) GM, to handle the pressure. I think Brampton winger Porter Martone is the best player available right now. Looking in the playoffs, he has the potential, if he hits, to do things that Sam Reinhart and Mikko Rantanen (in best, best case) are doing. I also am not in love with the idea of Connor Bedard as the 1C of the future, and think on a winning team he's likely best suited for the wing. Desnoyers is my top ranked center available, and I think he's a slight nudge behind Martone as an overall player. I don't love taking a slightly worse player at 3. But my team has had high picks three years in a row, taking defensemen with two of them and a center who is probably a winger with the other. This is where you find potential first-line centers. Reinhart, Rantanen are nice, but you can trade for wingers as those teams did in both cases. I'm getting my two-way play driving center. — Pronman Conventional wisdom will say that a 1-2 down the middle of Logan Cooley and Hagens is too small to win in May and June. For that reason, I think the Mammoth, who've prioritized size in their drafting and also have 5-11/6-foot players like Clayton Keller and Tij Iginla up front, probably go a different direction than I do here. But precisely because they have prioritized size, particularly on their blue line (where it matters most) but also up front (they still have it with guys like Jack McBain and Lawson Crouse, with Daniil But and the heavy strength of Cole Beaudoin on the way), I think you can take Hagens. Not only would he add skating and skill to a center depth chart that needs more of both, but also the Mammoth should like him for many of the reasons they liked Cooley. I think you can win with Cooley and Hagens, too. I'd also consider Porter Martone here, though, despite Utah's relatively stronger depth on the wings because the Mammoth are actually a little thin in right-shot wingers. I'd strongly consider Desnoyers here if he were available as well. And I'm taking all three of those players over Anton Frondell. — Wheeler Thanks to the new decentralized draft format, no one could see me grimace on camera as Scott called that last name. The Predators could certainly use an injection of Hagens' pace and skill in their system. Martone is tempting here too, and he certainly feels like a Nashville type. But it's just too hard to pass on the chance to take a two-way center with dangerous goal-scoring ability, so I'm going to take Frondell. He didn't finish on a high note, with a so-so showing at the U18 World Championship, but his body of work on the season is still very impressive, as is the toolkit. He'll slot perfectly into a Nashville system crying out for high-end centers. — Bultman This is going to be a challenging and potentially unpopular pick with our fans. The organization is dying for a premier center talent. Jake O'Brien is staring us in the face. He's a great player. I just did a similar analysis at 3 with Chicago where I opted for Desnoyers. The difference now is centers went off the board three picks in a row, we're now at the fourth option, and the difference between O'Brien and Martone is larger than the analysis was at 3. I feel I'm going substantially off my list if I take O'Brien over Martone for positional reasons. I think O'Brien is probably a second-line center on a good team. The Flyers rebuild is probably years away from completion, you have to imagine they will be back picking high again, even if next year's draft early on doesn't seem overflowing with premium center talent. We elect for the big, powerful winger with star upside even if his skating is a flaw. I hope this doesn't bite us in the ass. — Pronman Those top six are my top six and this is where the draft starts to open up for me and I'd start to consider Roger McQueen or a D like Radim Mrtka. But with McQueen's injury history, I don't think there's enough of a gap between him and O'Brien to justify taking him here. The Bruins are better off starting this bit of a reset they're in with a premium prospect down the middle rather than on D, too. O'Brien's combination of skill, skating, two-way commitment and hockey IQ make him the right choice. I'd bet that with his lean frame and summer birthday that he still has steep development in front of him, too. — Wheeler This one all comes down the medical, but the Kraken — with a stocked system of young centers — are in a great position to take this swing on a player who would go higher than this on pure talent. McQueen's combination of size, skill and skating is rare, and if he hits, he could give the Kraken the kind of cornerstone they sorely need. I considered a defenseman here, which Seattle has yet to take in the first round, but felt the talent with McQueen was just too much to ignore. — Bultman Victor Eklund is the BPA here, but in the background is the plethora of smaller, skilled forwards Buffalo has drafted over the past five years. It would be hard to justify Eklund into the mix the Sabres have already picked, even if he's a great and highly competitive player. We opt for Aitcheson here. He's our second ranked-defenseman in this class. He brings a combination of tenacity, skill and athleticism to the blue line and will help us at both ends of the ice on top of making our team harder to play against. — Pronman I'm only thinking about three names here: Mrtka, Eklund and Brady Martin. Coincidentally, they all play different positions and are all good fits for the Ducks for different reasons. Martin would give them an ultra-competitive center who fits the identity they want to play. Eklund, another competitor, would give them a right-shot winger to bolster the depth they began prioritizing with the Beckett Sennecke pick last year. And despite having a good, young group of defensemen to work with, all of Jackson LaCombe, Pavel Mintyukov, Olen Zellweger and Stian Solberg are lefties, and none of them look like Mrtka. Mrtka's combination of handedness, size and skating would make him unique for the Ducks, even if this would be a real debate for me. — Wheeler I thought long and hard about Eklund, but this is still the early stages of what could be a long rebuild, and I'm taking every chance I can to build down the middle. Martin brings so many likable elements as a thick-bodied center with skill and an edge to his game. I don't think he'll be the first-line center of the future in Pittsburgh, but he projects to play a huge role, and should be a great culture-setter for the next era. — Bultman Really, really, really super not thrilled with this outcome because the last thing my organization needs is another first-round winger, but Eklund is the clear best player left on our board. We have to take him. He projects to be better than our recent first-round picks. This potential outcome, though, may be why the Rangers could lean to letting go of the pick to the Penguins because it's very possible there is a run on the premium centers and defensemen right in front of them. — Pronman Once the 12 names we just saw get picked, there's a case to be made that the next best players are wingers. I think Carbonneau has more puck skill than Carter Bear or Lynden Lakovic, and that gives him the edge for my Red Wings (take that, Bultman!). He has several of the elements the Red Wings have targeted (a 6-foot-1, pro-built forward who can play through contact), but he's got better hands than Michael Brandsegg-Nygård or Nate Danielson as well. He's my BPA and I think he makes sense for Detroit, checking some boxes while also adding offense and a talent grade that we need. Don't let the familiar profile fool you, he has legit offensive skill. — Wheeler The perfect scenario would have been if Mrtka had fallen here, giving us a right-shot D to replace David Jiricek, but even though Smith is a left shot, he still brings plenty of upside to the system. He's a great skater at 6 feet 3, and has the potential to become a big-minute blueliner who shuts down transition offense as a defender and helps spark it on the breakout. — Bultman Reschny's strong second half put him squarely in the conversation to go in this range. Whether or not he's an NHL center is to be determined due to his size, but he could be. He's a good enough skater and competes hard, but his skill and hockey sense are excellent. He provides an offensive element that Vancouver's organization needs post J.T. Miller and Brock Boeser. — Pronman Teams can get too cute when they have back-to-back picks like this. I'm not going to. Bear is the best player available on my board and could fit as an excellent up-and-down the lineup winger in bleu, blanc et rouge. His Achilles rehab appears to be trending in the right direction, and with the premium centers capable of filling our 2C hole off the board, Bear's our guy. — Wheeler Back-to-back wingers here makes me a little itchy, but without a slam dunk center fit (though I did consider Braeden Cootes), I'm going with the premium athlete in Lakovic. He can skate, shoot and handle the puck, and brings a needed size factor to our young forward group at 6 feet 4. Cameron Reid was another consideration, as a great skating blueliner, but with that part of our system in pretty good shape, we'll take the rare athletic traits with Lakovic. — Bultman We're very excited to see Cootes still there at 18 and we will take advantage of his slide. Cootes is a skilled center who plays with pace and a high compete level and projects as a middle-six center in the NHL. The Flames need young center depth and he's the clear best center left. We didn't sprint up to the virtual podium but it was a light jog. — Pronman Wingers Jimmy Snuggerud and Zach Bolduc have arrived, center Dalibor Dvorsky will follow them, and there's a case to be made that the two top prospects available are defensemen Logan Hensler and Cameron Reid, which suits us well. We've taken four defensemen in the first two rounds of the last two drafts but only one of them (Adam Jiricek) is a righty and none of them are true top-end prospects (though Jiricek and Theo Lindstein are legit prospects). We're happy to get Hensler — a 6-foot-2 righty who can skate, has two-way potential and is a comparable prospect to Jiricek and Lindstein. — Wheeler We got our D earlier this round, now we're taking a versatile forward we can deploy anywhere in the lineup. Nesbitt has a lot going for him with size, physicality and slick hands. He can use those qualities to complement offensive players, or he can use them to check. He does have one big question mark with his skating, but if he can iron that out as he adds muscle, there's a lot to like in Nesbitt's projection. — Bultman Ottawa acquires a hopeful goalie of the future that it hasn't had since Robin Lehner. The system needs a lot of things, but it does need a goalie. He's the best player available, has starting goalie level tools and makes sense as the pick here. Yes, goalies take forever to develop. But Ottawa just committed to Linus Ullmark for years so ideally he can be a bridge to Ravensbergen. — Pronman I strongly considered Reid here but we need to take some swings and Potter, the best skater in the draft, represents that in this range for me. I project him as a more likely winger than center at the next level, but once the top group in the draft is gone — and in my estimation it now is — his blend of elite skating and plus-level puck skill is worth the bet. We added speed with the Jett Luchanko selection last year and we're adding even more to a pool that could still use it here. Patience will be important for both him and us as he learns how to best deploy his skating and talent, but there's upside with proper development. Matvei Michkov, Martone, Luchanko and Potter gives us a diverse mix of players to work with and suddenly a lot more skill after our first two selections of 2025. — Wheeler I'm not going to watch Reid tumble any longer. It's true that we already have a smaller puck-moving left D in Tanner Molendyk as our top defense prospect, which made me consider big-bodied righty Blake Fiddler here instead. There aren't many playoff teams with two smaller D (at least ones who aren't dynamic-offense-types) in their top four. But Reid is an excellent skater, a smart defender and the kind of player I want in my lineup. We'll figure out the rest later. — Bultman Boumedienne's season ended on a high note after a lot of ups and downs. I have some reservations on him this high, but I also think there's potential for this pick to age well. He's an excellent skater, a defenseman with size, and although his hockey sense can worry you at times, he's had a history of showing legit offense as well. The tools are just to good to pass up at 24. — Pronman The two most-talented players left on the board are Ben Kindel and Ryker Lee, but we have a lot of the skilled 5-10/11 variety up front in Chicago, and Spence represents a better fit as a competitive and driven 6-1, 200-pound winger who can skate with our speed and projects to be able to play up and down our lineup. — Wheeler Turns out we're going to get both of the defensemen I considered at No. 23 — now adding a 6-foot-4 mobile righty in Fiddler to the future defense corps. He projects to take on tough matchups, and could form a great second pair of the future with Reid. — Bultman Washington has drafted a lot of wingers in recent years, and we use the 27th pick to add one of the most competitive centers in the age group. Gastrin isn't a flashy player, but he's a steady two-way player who could be a potential third-line center for the Capitals. — Pronman We were hoping a D would be available here but in the absence of one who fits this range, we're excited by Kindel's smarts and skill. We have good size up front in our pool already and Kindel gives us more of a thinking offensive game and a potential point producer (99-point CHL players aren't typically available in this range). He's the best player available at this slot. — Wheeler After getting Cootes earlier in the round, we'll take a tooled-up winger here in Ihs-Wozniak, who skates quite well at 6 feet 3 with slick hands and playmaking feel. That offense in a bigger body has the potential to be a valuable, versatile piece in our future top nine. — Bultman Prokhorov is an ideal gamble with the Flyers' third pick. He's a big, fast, physical winger who could provide secondary offense in the NHL. He will become adored by Flyers fans for the way he plays. — Pronman We're going to swing on skill here and Lee's a dynamic on-puck talent with one of the best sets of hands in the draft. He has to get quicker but we believe he's not done developing or growing and his skill level is hard for us in Carolina to find when we're always drafting so late. We can also afford to give him the time he needs at Michigan State, where he'll be in good hands (pun intended) under a great coaching staff. They don't call him The Wizard for nothing. — Wheeler We didn't get our D at No. 2, so we're getting one here in Brzustewicz. And our guy just so happens to be a teammate (and sometimes defense partner) of our 2024 first-rounder Sam Dickinson. Brzustewicz can make defensive stops thanks to his skating and compete level, and shows poise with the puck to help chip in offense as well. — Bultman (Illustration: Dan Goldfarb / The Athletic; photos of Anton Frondell, Matthew Schaefer and Michael Misa: Michael Miller / ISI Photos / Getty Images)
New York Times
24-02-2025
- Sport
- New York Times
Projecting the 2030 Olympic men's hockey rosters for Canada and the United States
It's been an incredible time for international hockey, with the 4 Nations Face-Off surpassing even the loftiest expectations for what the first best-on-best tournament in nine years would bring. Canada's overtime win over the United States in the championship game Thursday night was the exclamation point on a thrilling tournament — and a tremendous way to lead into the 2026 Olympics in Milan next year. Advertisement Odds are the rosters for that tournament will look very similar to the ones on display in Montreal and Boston. There will be some tinkering around the fringes, but with less than a year between the events, the cores will remain the same. Looking ahead one more cycle, though, is a more revealing way to look at the future of both the U.S. and Canadian national teams and how the next wave of stars for both countries could fit in. So, The Athletic's Max Bultman and Corey Pronman took an early run at projecting the 2030 Olympic rosters for both North American powerhouses. Because the current U.S. team is so young, there are a lot of familiar faces in this projection. Jack Eichel, Auston Matthews, Dylan Larkin, Tage Thompson, Charlie McAvoy, Zach Werenski and Matthew Tkachuk will all be into their 30s by then, but not so old that we wouldn't project them in the mix here. Their respective talent and track records give them a strong baseline. So let's focus on the new names. Logan Cooley has taken a step forward this season in Utah and should continue to rise steadily between now and 2030. By then, he'll be 25 and should be a great fit between two very sound two-way wingers in Matt Boldy and Ryan Leonard. Leonard takes some projecting, considering he's not even in the NHL yet, but he's a tough, two-way player who can score, kill penalties and play a hard-nosed game. Much of the same is true of Matthew Knies, who is already an important player in Toronto and should only get better in the next five years. Matty Beniers, meanwhile, hasn't quite gotten back to the offense he found in his Calder Trophy season in 2022-23, but is still trending to be an excellent defensive forward who slots into that bottom line perfectly. He should be a top penalty killer for this group and brings elements any coaching staff would love. Advertisement It's fair to wonder if the fourth line could use a pure playmaker, as here it's made up of a lot of north-south, 200-foot players. But the obvious candidates we left off (such as Clayton Keller, Jason Robertson, James Hagens and Will Smith) don't have the same penalty-kill utility and aren't as projectable to tough matchups. We have Cole Caufield as the 13th forward, but it's entirely possible he could work higher into this lineup. His chemistry with Hughes, dating back to their time at the USA Hockey National Team Development Program, is certainly appealing. On defense, it's a very similar makeup to the current group, losing only Jaccob Slavin, Noah Hanifin and Adam Fox. Hanifin and Fox are right on that same age-32/33 bubble as some of the top forwards, but the U.S.'s young defense pipeline is promising enough that we gave the nod to Jake Sanderson (who was the first call-up in this tournament), Luke Hughes and Zeev Buium — with Lane Hutson another potential option. There are many capable options in goal, and including Connor Hellebuyck here is highly dependent on how he ages. He'll be 36 in early 2030. But Jake Oettinger would be a strong potential starter at age 31, and we'll take the bet on Spencer Knight — who has quietly performed well recently — re-emerging as a top goaltender as he enters his own prime. Team Canada sees more turnover on its roster than Team USA likely will, with a lot of their important members on the 2025 4 Nations team aging out. Their blue line sees a massive revamp, and there is no returning goaltender. The top-six forward group is a mixture of stars of today and tomorrow. Prime-aged superstars such as Connor McDavid and Nathan MacKinnon remain important fixtures, but we expect the next generation of Canadian stars to be led by Macklin Celebrini, Connor Bedard and Adam Fantilli. Advertisement The third line featured some hard decisions. Dylan Guenther has been fantastic this season, but will he be the best choice in five years? Will Mitch Marner's play fall off? There are close calls and other reasonable candidates could have been picked. Some may argue for Gavin McKenna but this is a tough team to make. McKenna won't even be in the NHL for another 18 months, never mind being one of the top nine forwards in Canada in five years. We debated keeping Brandon Hagel in the mix and he could have subbed out one of the current fourth-liners. This seems like a young blue line, but it won't be in 2030. We expect Owen Power, Thomas Harley and Noah Dobson will be established long-time major minutes defensemen by that point in their careers. Matthew Schaefer will be on the younger side, but we expect him to be a two-way star in the league by then as well. The goaltending is a major question mark. Your guess is as good as ours. Canada lacks standout goalies in the NHL currently, and there isn't a no-doubt stud coming up the pipeline either. Some scouts are very high on Joshua Ravensbergen, but he's only 18 and goalies take a while typically to reach the highest echelon of their development. (Top photos of Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid: Minas Panagiotakis / Getty Images)
New York Times
05-02-2025
- Sport
- New York Times
Submit your Red Wings mailbag questions
It's Feb. 5. The Red Wings are in sole possession of the Eastern Conference's first wild-card spot. They're just a point back from the Ottawa Senators for the Atlantic Division's third playoff spot. There's still a long way to go, but given the way things had been going not too long ago, it's OK to savor it. With the 4 Nations Face-Off nearly upon us and the March 7 NHL trade deadline looming, now is the perfect time to answer some reader questions. Submit your queries below, and Max Bultman may answer them in an upcoming mailbag.
