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Douglas Ross hits out at NatureScot in debate on 'dominating' seagulls
The debate was led by Mr Ross after he submitted a motion stating that the parliament should note concern around the reported changes to the approach taken for granting licences to control gulls in recent years by NatureScot.
He argued that this has led to fewer licences being approved.
A total of 2,041 licences were granted in 2023, however this figure fell to 505 in 2024.
He told the chamber there is a 'clear conflict' in the Scottish Government body Nature Scot between conserving and preserving bird numbers and controlling the applications to regulate bird numbers.
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The Former Scottish Conservative leader said: 'Currently they are clearly conflicted between conserving and preserving bird numbers and also being the agency that looks at and deliberates on applications to control birds.
'It is not possible any more for Nature Scot to do those dual roles."
Mr Ross pointed that Nature Scot keep a record of bird deaths or injury but not take any record of people injured.
'I think they have to look at that," he told MSPs today, "We do need to see a record of the number of attacks on people by gulls.
'They are causing a nuisance and people want action.'
Mr Ross said communities and businesses in his own constituency of Moray, Nairn and Inverness have had significant problems with gulls in recent years, but that many communities across Scotland also experience similar problems.
He also said the gulls are causing 'mental health issues' as their constant screeching torments the general public.
'They are a menace,' he emphasised to parliament.
Mr Ross said he is not ignoring that people are encouraging gulls by feeding them and he accepted that was 'part of the problem'.
Gulls 'dominating areas' are also seeing a reduction of other smaller birds, he argued.
Mr Ross called on more "robust action" from the Scottish Government and NatureScot to protect humans and businesses from "the menace of dangerous gulls".
He said this could include Scottish Ministers taking action through a section 11 order under the Natural Heritage (Scotland) Act 199.
As a rebuttal, SNP MSP Christine Graham made her 'cautious defence of the common gull'.
She named them 'clever and adaptable', saying she has seen the birds 'case out' shop fronts to find food.
The MSP, sympathetic to the plight of the gull, said this is not 'mugging' and it would be wrong to anthropomorphise the gulls, adding that humans are 'mucky creatures' and, unlike gulls, know better.
'What we mustn't have is people versus gulls or gulls versus people', she stressed.
SNP MSP Emma Roddick said there is potentially a need to reconsider what actions local councils can take to prevent damage and injury caused by gulls.
Scottish Conservative MSP Findlay Carson said the 'wild flappers' appear to 'rule the roost' in his constituency of Dumfries and Galloway and 'appear to revel in the misery that they cause'.
'It's a growing public safety risk…These birds are no longer confined to our beaches,' he said.
Labour MSP Rhoda Grant said it was important to note that the birds are not 'acting maliciously' but are protecting their young.
However, she said the birds were causing considerable injury and it is a 'public health issue'.
Green MSP Mark Ruskell raised in the chamber that the gull population numbers have halved since the 1980s.
However, in a heated interaction, veteran SNP MSP Fergus Ewing intervened to say 'there was no such evidence for that' based on an FOI responses he had received disputing their decrease.
The Agriculture Minister said he did not accept this comment from Mr Ewing and said he needs 'definitive proof' that is the case.
Mr Ruskell continued to argue that the species numbers are declining and that the parliament should focus on 'finding a better way to co-exist' with an 'under-attack" species.
Agriculture Minister Jim Fairlie said he accepts this is a 'deadly serious' matter in Scotland.
He said licenses are dealt out for dealing with gulls is based on Nature Scot guidance which has changed.
'The use of language such as menace or nuisance is not a licensable purpose and that's a really critical part.
"They can only be issued on the basis of health and safety which is why there has been this differentiation since previous applications.
'We have delegated [license] power to Nature Scot and that is where it should stay for this moment in time.'
The minister said if the government went against their licensable purpose it could 'open' them up to judicial review.
'Therefore it would not be appropriate for ministers', he said.
Mr Fairlie said society must limit food waste and public littering to 'take away feeding opportunities'.
The Minister has said he will convene a summit on the issue in Inverness where the 'entire issue' of seagulls in Scotland will be raised.
'I'll make sure that we try to progress this so that we are not standing here in ten years time with another member's debate about gull species,' he concluded.
