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Post Holdings buys rest of Ronzoni pasta maker for $880M
This story was originally published on Food Dive. To receive daily news and insights, subscribe to our free daily Food Dive newsletter. Post Holdings is spending $880 million to buy out the remainder of 8th Avenue Food & Provisions, which owns the Ronzoni pasta brand and makes a variety of dried goods such as granola and nuts. 8th Avenue was formed in 2018 when Post transferred its private label business to a new entity. Post sold a 39.5% stake in that entity to private equity firm THL, which it is now buying back. The deal is expected to close July 1, and Post will take over about $111 million in leases as part of the transaction. The acquisition further deepens Post's presence in both private label and branded food, allowing it to provide a wider range of price points. As economic headwinds prompt some consumers to pull back on spending, Post is positioning its business to remain competitive, regardless of the environment. In recent years, Post has built a presence in a particular food category and then ensured the company has both branded and private label offerings to sell to retailers and consumers. With its latest acquisition, Post will have a deeper presence in both segments for foods, such as nut butter, cereal and dry pasta. Once the transaction closes, Post will become the top private label player in peanut and tree nut butter as well as granola, while being No. 2 in dry pasta. 8th Avenue recorded net revenue of $1.1 billion in its fiscal 2024 year. 'With this acquisition, we further our strategy of tactical private label positioning alongside leading brands,' Post president and CEO Rob Vitale said in a statement. The purchase also creates other benefits for Post, whose branded food products include Grape-Nuts cereal, Bob Evans refrigerated sides and Peter Pan peanut butter. According to an investor presentation provided by the St. Louis-based company, the addition of the rest of 8th Avenue secures Post's Peter Pan nut butter supply and enables the food manufacturer to become more meaningful to retail partners in the category. The acquisition enables greater participation in the growing granola sub-category of ready-to-eat cereal, complementing Post's existing business. In addition, Post gains exposure to dry pasta, something the holding company did not have before. Post described the transaction as 'an attractive capital allocation opportunity.' The purchase is expected to increase cash flow and create synergies of about $15 million annually. Post, which traces its roots to being a cereal-only company, became a sprawling food company with a presence in many categories through M&A. Similar to that acquisition strategy, 8th Avenue was formed seven years ago to look for M&A opportunities, eventually acquiring peanut butter and Ronzoni pasta. However, Post said a challenged capital structure following COVID-19 made it hard for 8th Avenue to fully execute its M&A strategy. Post noted last month that tariffs and economic uncertainty have slowed 'what was an active M&A pipeline,' according to Jeff Zadoks, the company's COO. He added that Post would focus on 'smaller tactical transactions' that have a 'clear line of sight to synergies.' Recommended Reading Inside Post Holdings' transformation from cereal slinger to a diversified CPG giant Sign in to access your portfolio
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4 days ago
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Cereal maker Post enters pasta business with $880M Ronzoni purchase
Cereal maker Post enters pasta business with $880M Ronzoni purchase originally appeared on Bring Me The News. Post, the foods manufacturer known for cereal brands including Malt-O-Meal and Fruity Pebbles, is entering the pasta business. St. Louis-based parent company Post Holdings announced it has bought back 8th Avenue Food & Provisions, the company it spun off in 2018. 8th Avenue was primarily known for nut butters, granola bars, nuts and dried fruit products it made for grocery chains and private label companies, but in the seven years since it was spun off from Post, it also acquired Ronzoni. Now, Post's 880 million purchase marks the company's first foray into dried pasta, with Ronzoni one of the biggest brand names in the 8th Avenue portfolio. The 8th Avenue goods will be added to the Post Consumer Brands umbrella, which is based in Lakeville, Minnesota. "With this acquisition, we further our strategy of tactical private label positioning alongside leading brands. I am pleased to welcome back the approximately 1,580 employees of 8th Avenue who will join us as Post colleagues," said Rob Vitale, President and CEO of Post. While Barilla is the undisputed No. 1 brand of dried pasta in the U.S., Ronzoni is among the biggest competitors, with grocery studies generally placing it as the 2nd-4th most popular brand among American consumers. Post says the acquisition of 8th Avenue is expected to close on July 1, with the $880 million purchase price including the assumption of $111 million of financial leases. This story was originally reported by Bring Me The News on Jun 4, 2025, where it first appeared.
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12-05-2025
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Post Holdings tempers M&A bets as tariffs disrupt valuations
Post Holdings, which was recently linked with the possible acquisition of US food peer Lamb Weston, has adjusted its approach to M&A. While president and CEO Rob Vitale flagged the prevailing common themes among food manufacturers of late, he also said last week that 'uncertainty in the capital markets complicates M&A valuations'. As Vitale discussed Post's second-quarter results with analysts alongside his executive team, COO Jeff Zadoks provided more colour in the wake of the company's deal last year for Potato Products of Idaho (PPI), a producer of refrigerated and frozen potato products similar to Lamb Weston. 'The recent tariff actions and volatility in capital markets have slowed what was an active M&A pipeline for us,' Zadoks said on a conference call. 'The uncertainty in this environment points to smaller tactical transactions such as our recent acquisition of PPI, or transactions where we have clear line of sight to synergies.' Post did not reveal at the end of last year the price it paid for PPI, but Zadoks' comments suggest any potential deal for Lamb Weston is off the cards for now. When contacted by Just Food in December to comment on the Lamb Weston speculation Post did not respond. Reuters reported at the time, quoting unnamed sources, that Post had hired investment bankers to explore 'a possible transaction'. It was not the first time that Post, which owns brands such as Simply Potatoes and Bob Evans Farms, had expressed an interest in acquiring New York-listed Lamb Weston, a branded and private-label supplier of frozen potato products. A report emerged from The Wall Street Journal in 2016 that Post Holdings was reputedly eyeing up Lamb Weston when it was still part of what was then ConAgra Foods. However, those talks eventually stalled, sources for the WSJ said at the time. Lamb Weston has been under pressure of late. Most notably from its reputedly largest shareholder, the US-based investment firm Jana Partners. As the potential Post interest in Lamb Weston emerged in December, Jana Partners urged the French fries maker to launch a 'review of strategic alternatives', including a sale of the business. 'We believe Lamb Weston's board and management have wasted the chance to sustain and grow shareholder value in a high-quality business,' the investment group said at the time. In addition, Jana Partners said in October that Lamb Weston's shares were 'undervalued and represent an attractive investment opportunity', citing the 'litany of self-inflicted missteps that have led to underperformance for shareholders'. Lamb Weston's shares are down 23% so far this year, while shares in Post have lost around 2%. 'We performed well in a difficult environment. I expect that to continue,' Vitale said last week as the results showed a decline in volumes for grocery, including breakfast cereal and pet food. 'Consumer sentiment is weak. We expect we will need to focus on demand drivers and flawless supply chain execution,' the CEO added. Post Consumer Brands (PCB) is the largest business area for the company – cereals, pet food and shelf-stable items like peanut butter in North America – sitting alongside divisions for refrigerated retail food products such as eggs, the UK cereal business Weetabix and foodservice. Zadoks indicated last week that the PPI business was also facing some pressures. 'What we're seeing in the category is there's a trade down that's occurring with private label, which is a phenomenon that has not been an issue in that category years ago,' the COO said. 'What we saw years ago was that private label really didn't have the quality and it would come in and out, but it never really stuck. This time around, we're seeing that private label has better quality and it's taking some demand away from products like ours.' Navigate the shifting tariff landscape with real-time data and market-leading analysis. . "Post Holdings tempers M&A bets as tariffs disrupt valuations" was originally created and published by Just Food, a GlobalData owned brand. The information on this site has been included in good faith for general informational purposes only. It is not intended to amount to advice on which you should rely, and we give no representation, warranty or guarantee, whether express or implied as to its accuracy or completeness. You must obtain professional or specialist advice before taking, or refraining from, any action on the basis of the content on our site. Error in retrieving data Sign in to access your portfolio Error in retrieving data Error in retrieving data Error in retrieving data Error in retrieving data
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10-05-2025
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Q2 2025 Post Holdings Inc Earnings Call
Daniel O'Rourke; Investor Relations; Post Holdings Inc Robert Vitale; President, Chief Executive Officer, Director; Post Holdings Inc Jeff Zadoks; Chief Operating Officer, Executive Vice President; Post Holdings Inc Matthew Mainer; Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer; Post Holdings Inc Andrew Lazar; Analyst; Barclays Bank David Palmer; Analyst; Evercore ISI Institutional Equities Kenneth Goldman; Analyst; JPMorgan Chase & Co Michael Lavery; Analyst; Piper Sandler & Co John Baumgartner; Analyst; Mizuho Securities USA Scott Marks; Analyst; Jefferies LLC Marc Torrente; Analyst; Wells Fargo Securities Carla Casella; Analyst; JPMorgan Chase & Co Operator Welcome to the Post Holdings Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to Daniel O'Rourke, Investor Relations for Post. Daniel O'Rourke Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for the Second Quarter Fiscal 2025 Earnings Call. I'm joined this morning by Rob Vitale, our President and CEO; Jeff Zadoks, our COO; and Matt Mainer, our CFO and Treasurer. Rob, Jeff and Matt will make prepared remarks, and afterwards, we'll answer your questions. The press release that supports these remarks is posted on both the investors and the SEC filings portions of our website and is also available on the SEC's website. As a reminder, this call is being recorded, and an audio replay will be available on our website at Before we continue, I would like to remind you that this call will contain forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties that should be carefully considered by investors as actual results could differ materially from these statements. These forward-looking statements are current as of the date of this call, and management undertakes no obligation to update these statements. This call will discuss certain non-GAAP measures. For a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the nearest GAAP measure, see our press release issued yesterday and posted on our website. With that, I will turn the call over to Rob. Robert Vitale Thank you, Daniel. Good morning all. I'm going to make some thematic comments, and Jeff and Matt will take you through the quarter. First, we performed well in a difficult environment. I expect that to continue. Second, trade policy and regulations continue to grab headlines. We will manage those as they develop. Third, consumer sentiment is weak. We expect we will need to focus on demand drivers and flawless supply chain execution. First and last, uncertainty in the capital markets complicates M&A valuations. With that, I will turn the call over to Jeff and Matt, who will take you through the quarter. Jeff? Jeff Zadoks Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. Given the volatile macro backdrop and challenges associated with Avian influenza, we are especially pleased with our Q2 results. Our puts team did a fantastic job navigating incredibly difficult egg markets as they prioritize customer supply while at the same time, mitigating some of the expected net cost impact. Meanwhile, our retail businesses offset volume pressures with cost control and supply chain execution. As a reminder, last quarter, we guided that Q2 would be down $30 million to $50 million compared to Q1 as a result of avian influenza cost ahead of pricing impacts and food service. Actual Q2 Foodservice adjusted EBITDA was approximately $20 million lower than Q1 as $30 million of costs ahead of pricing impact was partially offset by manufacturing and supply chain performance improvements. Setting aside the temporary impact of (inaudible) Influenza, underlying business trends versus last year remain encouraging despite a backdrop of poor foodservice foot traffic. Our selling proposition continues to prove out as our mix of higher value-added egg products grew once again. Looking to the balance of the fiscal year, additional avian influenza pricing became effective starting in April, and our flock repopulation is on track. Assuming no additional outbreaks in our network, we expect to balance our egg sourcing and demand by Q4 and we continue to expect we will recover the unfavorable cost ahead of pricing impact we saw in Q2 during the remainder of fiscal '25. Moving on to Post Consumer Brands. We had a solid quarter while navigating volume declines in both grocery and pet. In grocery, our cost structure continued to benefit from last September's plant closure. However, the cereal category declines accelerated to down 3.7% with our branded portfolio slightly behind at down 4.5%. Category declines continue to pressure our manufacturing utilization and cost structure which drove our recent decision to close two more plants by the end of the calendar year. Our (inaudible) paint consumption was down 4.5% versus a flat category as we continue to face declines in Nutrish demand and distribution and gravy train price elasticities. We were able to offset these lower pet volumes with improved supply chain and SG&A cost performance. Finally, a relaunch of the Nutrish brand certainly hitting the shelves. And while it is very early, the first reactions are encouraging. Turning to our (inaudible) retail. Q2 adjusted EBITDA was down versus prior year primarily because of timing, which fell during Q2 a year ago. In addition, similar to our foodservice business, we experienced costs ahead of pricing in eggs with pricing taking effect in April, which will benefit Q3. Our focus continues to be on driving volumes in our business, driving lower costs and integrating our newly acquired PPI business. At Weetabix performance improved after our ERP conversion last quarter. While we see -- while we still limited promotional activities in Q2, we saw yellow box consumption relatively in line with the category, which was down 1.5%. We expect to improve margins in the back half of the year through sequential volume growth as we ramp up marketing with targeted activations and further execute our cost-out initiatives. Before turning the call over to Matt, a couple of comments on M&A and capital allocation. The recent tariff actions and volatility in capital markets have slowed what was an active M&A pipeline for us. The uncertainty in this environment points to smaller tactical transactions, such as our recent acquisition of PPI or transactions where we have clear line of sight to (inaudible). We have continued to lean into share repurchases and have now bought approximately 6% of the company since the end of the fiscal year from both the leverage and liquidity position we remain very well positioned for opportunistic capital allocation. Matthew Mainer Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, everyone. Second quarter consolidated net sales were $2 billion and adjusted EBITDA was $347 million, sales decreased 2% as lower overall volumes in our retail businesses were partially offset by elevated avian influenza-driven price in food service and volume growth in shakes. . Turning to our segments. Post Consumer and net sales decreased 7%, driven by lower volumes in both cereal and pet. Total volumes decreased 6%, primarily due to category dynamics. Pet volumes decreased 5% as we continue to lap reductions in lower-margin business and great pricing elasticities along with lower consumption, particularly in Nutrish. As expected, these pressures were partially offset by customer inventory recovery deloading last quarter due to our TSA cutover. Segment adjusted EBITDA increased 2% versus prior year as we benefited from improved cost reform for both grocery and pet. Foodservice net sales increased 10% and volumes increased 3%. Revenue (inaudible) elevated AV influenza driven pricing and higher shake sales. Excluding shakes, volumes were down by 1% (inaudible) dynamics impacting eggs and lower customer foot traffic impacting both egg and potatoes. Adjusted EBITDA decreased 6%, driven by avian influenza cost ahead of pricing, partially offset by improved manufacturing and supply chain performance. Rigated retail net sales decreased 7% and volumes decreased 5%. Volumes across all products were affected by the timing of Easter, which was in Q2 last year. Egg volumes were impacted further by limited availability due to (inaudible) influenza. Segment adjusted EBITDA decreased 14% driven primarily by lower volumes and costs ahead of price on eggs and sales. Weetabix net sales decreased 5% versus the prior year. Foreign currency represented a headwind of 70 basis points. Volumes decreased 7%, driven by lower promotions due to our Q1 ERP conversion, noncore product discontinuations and elasticities related to pricing decisions which we will lap later in the fiscal year. Segment adjusted EBITDA increased 9% versus prior year, led by increased net pricing from our prior year profit-enhancing decisions partially offset by increased input costs and lower volumes from promotional blackouts. Turning to cash flow. We generated $160 million from operations and approximately $70 million in free cash flow, net of CapEx spend. This was a decrease sequentially from last quarter, which is primarily due to working capital timing. Year-to-date, free cash flow was $240 million. From a capital allocation standpoint, we favored share repurchases as we repurchased 1.7 million shares at an average price of approximately $110 per share. In addition, we spent $124 million to acquire PPI. The net effect of our capital allocation versus free cash flow this quarter increased our net leverage slightly to 4.5x. With our earnings release last night, we increased our adjusted EBITDA guidance range to $1.43 billion to $1.47 billion. While we plan to recover Q2 foodservice costs ahead of pricing in the second half, we expect this to be largely offset by lower performance in PCB from continued elevated cereal category volume declines and anticipate disruption in Nutrish as we fully ramp its relaunch. Thank you for joining us today, and I will now turn the call back over to the operator. Operator The floor is now open for questions. (Operator Instructions) Andrew Lazar, Barclays. Andrew Lazar Thanks so much. Good morning. I know Post has already raised several times its view on the structural run rate it expects from the Foodservice unit and looks at the underlying segment EBITDA, again, sort of excluding the cost ahead of pricing piece was again above that level. Is the long-term run rate here now even higher than you thought previously? Or are there other reasons why maybe it came in so much better than we and some others had modeled this quarter? Matthew Mainer Andrew, I think it's hard to completely parse out avian influenza, but I think your comment that I indicated, 126 relative to the 105 we've talked about in the past. I think in reality, it's somewhere between those 2 numbers. We need a couple of quarters of normalcy, get the avian influenza behind us and back in balance in terms of our supply and demand and then we can make a better call on what that run rate is, but clearly higher than $105 million. Andrew Lazar Okay, thanks for that. And then in the quarter, it looks like you were able to maintain pretty solid volume declines you saw in ready-to-eat and pet. I guess, would your expectation be that the recent announcements you made around the incremental asset optimization moves in cereal, should allow you to maintain strong profitability in this segment going forward, even if sort of serial category volume trends remain as challenged as what we saw this past quarter. Thanks so much. Jeff Zadoks So Andrew, I -- clearly, that's the objective is to do our best to manage our cost to maintain the profitability -- if we're seeing 4% or 5% year-on-year declines, that's going to be challenging. Our expectation would be in the medium term, at least that, that would start to temper and that we would get back to 1% to 2% down, probably not in the sack of this year, but longer term. So if we can get the category to more of that historic decline we think that those actions would enable us to maintain our margins along with the normal cost out activities that we would do on a regular basis. Andrew Lazar Great, thanks so much. Jeff Zadoks Thank you. Operator David Palmer, Evercore ISI. David Palmer Yeah, thanks. So just building on that line of questioning from Andrew. I'm thinking about PCB for fiscal '26 and how you're generally thinking about the [setup] there. Clearly, you have the pit closures and the tailwinds continuing there. And then the big 2 with (inaudible) and I can imagine that cereal might be a back-weighted situation or one that just slowly gets better in your thinking and maybe that's offset maybe some of the things that you've been talking about, the drags ending in the co-man agreements and the improvements in Nutrish and maybe you'd be thinking about that pet business perhaps offsetting cereal next year, but -- so rough strokes and how are you thinking about the your businesses within PCB and your ability to have at least a little bit of EBITDA growth from PCB next year? Thanks. Jeff Zadoks I think you laid it out exactly how we're thinking about it. This year has been a transition year for Pet. So we had to get off the TSA with Smucker. We had to do some of the heavy lifting on the brand for Nutrish. And obviously, we expect that those activities will bear some fruit into next year and would enable us to offset some of the headwinds that we're seeing in the cereal business. At the same time, we're going to do what we can on the cereal side to manage our costs, look to innovation and renovation to drive some volume even if the category continues to be challenged. So the combination of those things, we think, will enable us to mitigate the headwinds we're seeing to the best of our ability. David Palmer Thank you. Operator Ken Goldman, JPMorgan. Kenneth Goldman Hi, thank you. On PCB, the price/mix downturn this quarter, I'm just wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on the key drivers there and how we might think about that line item ahead for the rest of the year? Matthew Mainer Yes. I think as I talked about second half PCB down over first half, it's going to offset some of the pricing recovery we have in foodservice. And our expectation in the near term as the category remains where it's at for the balance of the fiscal year, which will put some pressure on cereal year-over-year for sure. Again, we've seen in terms of a mix standpoint this past quarter, we saw customers shift to larger pack sizes, which hurts mix a little bit. I think for right now, we're kind of holding firm to what we saw in Q2 for the balance of the year. Kenneth Goldman All right, thank you for that. And then just as we get closer to the debt maturities for 8th Avenue, do you have any updated thoughts on the potential optionality of that business and maybe post potential role within that? Robert Vitale Well, we have a lot of confidence on the -- in the business operations itself. Obviously, we have to resolve the near-term maturities, and we will have a resolution one way or the other fairly soon. Jeff Zadoks Okay, thank you. Operator Michael Lavery, Piper Sandler. Michael Lavery Thank you. Good morning. Jeff Zadoks Good Morning. Michael Lavery Just was looking to get a little better sense of how to think about some of the savings from the cereal plant closures you just announced. And we can get a little bit of an idea of the timing just that it's the end of the calendar year. But are there potential offsets? Or how -- any maybe magnitude you can give or just how to think about the impact from that? Matthew Mainer Yes. I think we called out about a $20 million annualized benefit from the plant closures. Does that happen? Those are on track for the end of the calendar year. So you would get 3 quarters of that next fiscal year. I think if the category slows down to a more normalized down 1% to 2%. That's going to be in line with what we're seeing on the volume decline impact versus the cost savings of the plant shutdown. I think the challenge is the category doesn't slow down, then we've got some more optimization to do and we have some more levers we can pull. Michael Lavery And I guess maybe specifically, I was trying to get at how much that's net or gross relative to things like operating deleverage or just the lost volume piece. Is that just the gross piece from the facility savings? Or does it kind of bundle it all together? Jeff Zadoks That would be the gross savings. So to the extent that there's incremental deleveraging beyond that, that would be an offset. Robert Vitale Yes. And to be fair, we are in the early stages of our planning for FY26. So we don't want to run our plan and expose it until we're ready. Michael Lavery No. Fair enough. And just on the pet piece of the business, if you have a consumer that's getting more cautious, I know you have a few brands positioned differently, but -- how much can you characterize the benefit from trade down? Would that generally be a net positive? How do you think about just the impact from those share moves if you get a more stretched or cautious consumer overall? Jeff Zadoks Yes, there's a meaningful shift down that would tend to favor us because we -- a large number of our brands tend to be on, we do have some brands that play in the more premium side as well. but we tend to be up and down the value chain with a skew towards the lower -- or excuse me, lower price point products, particularly in dog, dry dog food. Michael Lavery And wouldn't it be fair to characterize it similar to cereal, where obviously you could lose some share on the branded side but more than make up for it with what you gain on the low end? Jeff Zadoks Well, that depends on a lot of variables. I mean, clearly, in cereal, we have a much higher percentage of the low end of the value chain, given our position in private label as well as bag cereal. Our position in pet on the low end is not nearly the same market share that we have in cereal. Michael Lavery Fair enough. That's great. Thanks. Operator John Baumgartner, Mizuho Securities. John Baumgartner Good morning. Thanks for the question. I wanted to come back to Refrigerated Retail and the Bob Evans, the side dishes. I think expansion opportunities have been one of the aspirations there over the years, and we've seen some innovation here and there and some emphasis and the emphasis on different segments. And I think in general, we've seen some encouraging volume signs at retail in the last couple of quarters. Wondering if you could speak at this point to what you're seeing in the category expectations for distribution expansion over the next 12 months in terms of what your supply chain allows returns on recent efforts and innovation? Just kind of broader thoughts on expectations for retail going forward. Thank you. Jeff Zadoks Yes. So clearly, the PPI acquisition gives us capacity due to a number of things that maybe we couldn't have done before. We've also improved our capacity through internal improvements in our own plants that we've owned even prior to the PPI acquisition. So we've got -- you've been with us a long time. So you remember the years when we had to stop preparing certain products because we couldn't meet customer demand. Those days are behind us. So now we can play more offense than we have in the past. What we're seeing in the category is there's a trade down that's occurring with private label, which is a phenomenon that has not been an issue in that category years ago. What we saw years ago was that private label really didn't have the quality and it would come in and out, but it never really stuck this time around. We're seeing that private label has better quality and it's taking some demand away from products like ours. So with the new capacity that we have available, it enables us to think about how we look at other categories. Does it make sense to play in private label? Does it make sense to play up and down the value chain while continuing to maintain our significant market share in the Bob Evans brand. In terms of innovation or renovation in that brand, we put a lot of that on hold given the issues that we had through COVID and even prior to COVID with our capacity utilization now with the availability of capacity we can begin to do more of that, which we would expect to do in the latter half of this year and into next year. John Baumgartner Okay. And then to come back to PCB and some of the cereal category headwinds, I mean, I think you had seen this about a decade ago where birth rates were down. You had some shift to [substitute products]. I think back then, it was frozen breakfast and restaurants. Now you could argue it's more protein shakes. So the macro headwinds we've seen these cycles before. And I'm curious, if you put that to the side, do you see anything else fundamentally having changed, whether it's post inflation price points for the category whether it's a broader shift towards protein that's stickier this time around. I guess is there anything in the environment that's maybe more structurally changed that would sort of change how you grow the category, your aspirations for the category, your ability to kind of circle the wagons on the value price point? Robert Vitale So there's certainly some impact on GLP-1s in the demand and I think there will be some lapping that has to occur in the next 6 to 18 months. So that's the one difference in the next -- in the prior decade that we didn't have. John Baumgartner Okay. Thanks, Rob. Thanks, Jeff. Operator (Operator Instructions) Scott Marks, Jefferies. Scott Marks Hey guys, thanks for taking our questions. First one I wanted to ask about is we've heard from some of your competitors recently notably in cereal about more so increasing promotional activity to drive value for consumers. And I don't think I heard that mentioned kind of in your prepared remarks, more so around innovation. So just wondering if you can share any color on your thoughts on kind of the trade spend piece. Jeff Zadoks So our view of the category, cereal we're talking about is that the promotional activities are what we would call normal levels. certainly go through ebbs and flows in a given year or a given time period within a year where one producer might be promoting more than others not and vice versa in subsequent periods. So we haven't seen anything that we would consider to be out of the ordinary for any significant stretch of time our personal approach is to continue to do the types of programs that drive value. So we have seen that promotion promotion's sake does not generate the return in volume that you give up in price. So you have to find the sweet spot that works for your products and works for your profitability and the plan that we have now and going forward. Scott Marks Got it. And then last one for me. I know it's still early in the acquisition of PDI, but just wondering if you can share any color on initial learnings or insights that you have from that and how you plan on leveraging that? Thanks. Jeff Zadoks Yes. It is early. I think the thing is that there are some synergies that we probably didn't realize are there that in the longer or medium to long term, and that will be there. Probably the other learning is that the initial integration we had some upset in our employee population there. That was probably a little bit more significant than we thought going in. So the ramp up that we're going to see is going to be slower than perhaps we initially expected. But it's going to fit well into our network. It's going to provide us opportunities, like I mentioned before, that category in a different way compared to the way we've had it about it based on some constraints we've had before we acquired it. Scott Marks Understood. Thanks so much. Operator Marc Torrente, Wells Fargo. Marc Torrente Hey, good morning and thank you for the questions. I guess just first, grocery in general, category volumes remain under pressure. A lot of that's consumer pressure that we're seeing out there. thinking more in terms of relative performance, who are you seeing outperforming? Is it more value in private label? Is it smaller players? And then since quarter end, have you seen any sequential improvement in any of your category trends? Jeff Zadoks So the first part of your question, I think it's a real dichotomy. There's take cereal category as an example. You see some of the more premium organic natural marketed as healthier for you but fairly expensive. Not purely, really expensive price points doing well in the category while the overall category is not performing well. So I think what we're seeing consumers is there's a pocket of consumers that are spending for what they perceive as better for them and are willing to pay essentially whatever necessary to get that type of product. And then you've got other consumers who are cutting back significantly and deloading their pantries and buying less frequently, which is affecting the expandable demand that we see in more normal times with cereal where people have products in their pantry and they tend to eat it when it's available. What we're seeing is that they're just deloading their pantries because they don't have the money to go and free stock. And then -- I'm sorry, I zoned out on the second part of your question? Marc Torrente Yes. Just any sequential improvement since quarter end in any of your categories? Jeff Zadoks Yes. The -- is not a great improvement, but the worst months for cereal were February and March, a little bit of improvement in April, but we're clearly not ready to claim victory in that regard. Marc Torrente Okay. And then just an update on the RTD shake manufacturing ramp. Shakes were called out as the driver of positive food service volumes. Did you make better progress during the quarter than you expected? And is your outlook for the contribution there is still consistent with prior? Jeff Zadoks Keep in mind that the baseline comparison was essentially 0 for shakes so compared to last year, any production would have been an improvement. We are seeing improvement sequentially. It's slower than what we would like it to be, but it is trending in a favorable direction, but it is still not a material contributor to profit at the current levels. So we would expect the continued ramp up again, maybe a little bit slower than we had hoped when we communicated this 6, 9 months ago. But in the long run, we still see the same finish line in terms of where that profitability can take us. Operator Carla Casella, JPMorgan. Carla Casella Hi, and thank you. One follow-up from Ken's question about 8th Avenue. What are the options there? And is there a scenario where you buy and reconsolidate that business? Robert Vitale Well, I think I would start with recalling that we wrote this to 2 or 3 years ago. With that, we consider it like a new investment opportunity with which we have a great deal of prayer experience and knowledge. Beyond that, I'm not going to comment on the various iterations of opportunities that could exist for the company. Carla Casella Okay, great. Thank you. Operator Thank you. This concludes today's Post Holdings Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Please disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day. Error in retrieving data Sign in to access your portfolio Error in retrieving data Error in retrieving data Error in retrieving data Error in retrieving data
