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Who's telling the truth about Fiji's garment workers?
Who's telling the truth about Fiji's garment workers?

RNZ News

time13-05-2025

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Who's telling the truth about Fiji's garment workers?

Fiji's garment exports have halved in the last decade. Photo: 123rf Fiji's union movement wants garment workers to earn more and has accused the country's factory owners of dragging the chain. Last week, RNZ Pacific spoke with Jotika Gounder-Sharma about the work the Fiji Trades Union Congress (FTUC) is doing with the New Zealand civil society group UnionAID to bring a living wage to the garment workers. But Mike Towler, a former president of the Textile Clothing and Footwear Council of Fiji, has taken issue with much of what the Fijian union official said. RNZ Pacific interviewed Towler and began by asking about the state of the garment sector in the country. (This transcript has been edited for brevity and clarity). Mike Towler: It's quite dire. You know, one of the main reasons, before I talk about wage rates, the issue that, straight after Covid in 2022 and 2023, Fiji lost around 20 to 25 percent of its skilled workforce to both Australia and New Zealand. Our industry, like everybody else, lost a lot of its skilled workers. And those skilled workers were being attracted to Australia through all sorts of means, particularly the PALM (Pacific Australia Labour Mobility) scheme here in Fiji that supplies workers to industries in Australia. But we also lost skilled workers [to] working in industries like the meat industry in Australia, where a senior machinist in a garment factory, next thing you know, they're a boner in a Perth factory. Now how that happened I've got no idea but the Fijian government should be held to account for that. We also lost a lot of skilled workers who used a scam back door visa to get into Australia. It's a student visa so got people who were 30, 40, 50 years of age working as a skilled worker in Fiji was able to go to Australia on a student visa and work as a barista in a cafe or whatever. This all sort of drained Fiji of its skilled workforce. We ended up with a lot of people working in our industry who weren't skilled. Our productivity just went through the floor at the same time, the wage rates were going through the roof, a no win situation. But a lot of the information that's contained in that article that was written is just simply wrong. Don Wiseman: Let's look at that. What was wrong? MT: Well, the first thing is that the garment industry had always paid the national minimum wage. Jotika is saying that when it was $2.32 an hour, and when it increased to $2.68 an hour, still the garment industry remained below $2.68 an hour. That's totally incorrect. We were compelled by law, and we did pay all of our staff the national minimum wage at the time, which is now $5 an hour, or they were paid above it. DW: All right. Well, let's look at what they're talking about. They want a living wage for these workers, FJ$8 an hour. Would the industry be able to support that? MT: The industry is not going to be able to even pay $6 an hour, which is the government's policy, to move from five to $6 an hour before the end of this current term. So $8 an hour, they call that a living wage. But look a majority of women that work in our industry are the second income earner of a household. Yes, there are instances where they are the primary income earner of a household, but an industry can only afford to pay wage rates that are commensurate with what is the productivity. Of course, we could pay $8 an hour if our workforce was more skilled and was more productive, but it just simply isn't. I've been in business in Fiji here for 33 years, and I've just closed my business totally because I was unable to sustain the overheads - not only wages, but productivity and costs associated with getting my raw material into Fiji and my finished product out of Fiji. I had no choice in there. I had to close my business before I went broke. DW: You lost a lot of workers overseas going to Australia, as you say, under this PALM scheme. And New Zealand, yes, but they've left because they could earn more money. That's the simple thing. MT: That's a given. But you earn more money in places like Australia [and] New Zealand, but the living costs are also quite high. The wage rates in Fiji can measure it with the living costs for the local population. Photo: Fiji Trades Union Congress DW: Do you think people can survive on $5 an hour? MT: Yes, people can survive on $5 an hour here in Fiji. But also $5 an hour is a base rate. Like, for instance, if you've got a machinist in your factory who has been there for three to five years and she's become quite skilled in a number of operations, you can't pay that machinist $5 an hour because she'll just simply go somewhere else that'll pay a six and $7 an hour. Most of my skilled machinists before I had to close my business were only in the $6 to $7 an hour for a skilled machinist, because that was the rate I had to pay to to maintain their employment. DW: The garment industry in Fiji used to employ 20,000 odd people, and it's gone right back over the last 15 years or so, hasn't it? So 5000 workers there now, not the same number of companies, obviously, figures well under 4000 now. Can the remaining operators survive? MT: We've become a bit of a rump of what we used to be. Yes, there were 22,000 workers in the garment industry in Fiji at the turn of the century. But all sorts of reasons for why that has reduced over the years. But uncompetitive pricing is the major reason. And what's left now is industries that are boutique, niche or they've got a vertical business where they manufacture and retail. The largest garment manufacturer in Fiji is a company called Lyndhurst, who make the Kookai brand of clothing, and they retail the product in their own stores in Australia and New Zealand. They're able to manufacture in Fiji and retail in Australia. So there's no middleman there. But a majority of the factories that are left here aren't vertical like that. They are factories that manufacture for a wholesaler in Australia or New Zealand, and then as wholesalers then sell to the retail trades at a profit margin of 20. And quite frankly, we're becoming less and less competitive in that sort of market because people are able to take their business to places in Southeast and North Asia that are much more competitive. So they do. DW: The imposition of Trump tariffs will have some impact in a whole lot of those markets. MT: Look, I just don't think the tariffs is a longterm issue. I think that changing the supplier from Vietnam to Fiji is not as easy as you think it is. And quite frankly, everybody's going to be able to negotiate a deal, because that's what it's all about. At the end of the day, Fiji was also tariffed to something like 32 percent, so places like Bangladesh and Vietnam and, to some lesser degree China, they are going to negotiate a better deal than what Fiji's currently got. Nobody's going to be rushing to move to places like Fiji because these tariffs aren't good. This is not going to happen and one of the major reasons why people won't rush to Fiji is: we have a skilled worker shortage in this country, our wage rates are nearly double what they are in our competitor countries, and there's no raw material here, so you've got to get it all here first. Those are all the hurdles that you're going to face in operating a business here in Fiji. But the biggie is the fact that we have got a huge lack of skilled workers. That unionist talks about importing Sri Lankans. Well, she [Jotika] totally got that wrong. Actually, what the industry has had to do is import Bangladeshis. Now all of those people come into this country under a contract, and that contract has to be approved by both the Minister of Employment and the Minister of Immigration to get them to come into Fiji. You cannot actually write a contract that is below the national minimum wage. In fact, you want to track Bangladeshi workers into our industries in Fiji - and it's not only the garment industry that is importing workers from Bangladesh - there's a lot of different industries are doing it, but you can't pay them $5 Fijian an hour and get them here. They won't come. And secondly, they come under contract, so I'm not too sure what the union thinks they can do for them after they've got it here. One of the things that you failed to mention in that interview [is] that every factory in Fiji that employs more than 20 workers is compelled by law to have a Labour Management Consultation and Co-operation Committee, which is a representative committee of workers in your factory. You are compelled, by law, to meet with them at least once a month and discuss any grievances that they have. Believe you me, anybody that's got a grievance in your factory, those people bring it to that committee, brings it to management's attention in our monthly discussions, and we resolve it because it's in our interest to resolve it. I'm not too sure what she thinks you can do for the Bangladeshi workers. They're not Sri Lankan workers, Bangladeshi workers, in the factories, particularly in Lautoka, because quite frankly, I can't see what they could possibly do from when they're actually brought here on a three year contract. The contracts are pretty clear under what they're supposed to be said. I'm not too sure where she's coming from. Some of the information that she's given you there is completely wrong. Like, for instance, she's saying that the majority of workers in Fiji come from the Indian community. That's just complete rubbish. 25 years ago, the majority of workers in garment factories might have been Indian workers. But today, more than 60 percent of the workers in garment factories are iTaukei Fijians, and in my own factory, I had less than 20 percent Indian employees. She's not even up to date with the actual information for the people that are actually working in our industry. Quite frankly, I think she is either misinformed or she's uninformed, or she's just simply sprouting old information that suits their purposes.

Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?
Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?

Scoop

time08-05-2025

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Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?

Article – RNZ A NZ-based civil society group is working to lift improve conditions for workers in the industry, but a Fijian union official says workers in the sector 'are very afraid' to engage., RNZ Pacific Senior Journalist A New Zealand civil society group, aiming to improve working conditions of workers around the Pacific and Asia, has this week welcomed a Fijian union official to Wellington to discuss the plight of garment industry workers in Fiji. Jotika Gounder-Sharma is an official with the Fiji Trades Union Congress (FTUC). She has been working alongside UnionAID on a project aimed organising and improving conditions for garment workers in the Nadi-Lautoka region in the Western Division of the main island, Viti Levu. Gouder-Sharma told RNZ Pacific about the tough environment confronting garment workers. (This transcript has been edited for brevity and clarity). Don Wiseman: I'm speaking with Jotika Gounder-Sharma, and she is with the Fiji Trade Union Congress (FTUC). And you're here in Wellington, discussing with UnionAID what can be done to help women, particularly in the garment industry in Fiji. The garment industry has been under a lot of stress for a long time there. What is the current situation for the garment industry in Fiji? How many people work there? Jotika Gounder-Sharma: It is a pleasure to be part of this initiative by UnionAID to support garment industry workers in Fiji. As you rightly said, a lot of workers in the garment sector are women workers, workers who are not able to get access to employment in other fields. And most of the women in this category work in factories, and particularly in garment factories. In Fiji, roughly an estimate, more than 5000 workers work full time in the garment factories. This is a huge number, particularly for the urban sector, where these women are employed. DW: A huge number. But they used to be a lot more, didn't they? JGS: There used to be a lot more. I think it also depends on the orders that the garment factories receive in terms of exports and sales. The number fluctuates every now and then. There are peak times and their off peak times for production in the garment sector as well, which is one of the reasons why women face a lot of issues in the garment sector. DW: Those businesses left, and I think there's been one that's gone just recently as well, because they claim it's uncompetitive. JGS: This is an excuse, I would say, that we have been getting from the employers, any employers, to say that the cost of production in our country is increasing and they compare to markets like Vietnam, Burma, other countries, also China, where the labour rate is much lower than what is in Fiji. But I think if you invest in business, then this is one of the costs that you have to bear with, in terms of good quality, production, consistent supply, in terms of order, and I think this is one of the reasons why Fiji is still flourishing as one of the garment exporters in the region. DW: There is a minimum wage in Fiji. From a New Zealand point of view, it's very low. It did get increased significantly, though, and I know the garment industry has said that this is one of the factors that they are losing companies. Is it a factor? JGS: I think we have to look at this story from both sides. When we had the minimum wage of FJ$2.32, which is like US$1.15, and the garment sector was still paid below that $2.32 an hour, and when it increased to $2.68 an hour, still the garment industry remained below the $2.68. So, the increase did not take effect in the garment sector. This is a request by the employers in that sector and the FTUC continued to lobby to increase the minimum wage to $4 which is US$2 per hour. Until last year, the industry remained under the minimum wage, well below the minimum wage, and we continued lobbying with the government. In the last budget address, the Minister for Finance announced that the minimum wage will increase to $5, though the FTUC demand was for $6 an hour. Now our campaign is also for a living wage. We want people to be able to afford the basic necessities of life, to live, and that is the reason we are asking for $8 an hour a national living wage to be implemented in Fiji. While the national minimum wage campaign remains at $6. I sit on the National Employment Centre Board, where we decide on the wage rates for all sectors in terms of employment, whether they are interns, whether they are half time, whether they are casual, whether they are temporary, whether they are pool workers, they all need to be paid the national minimum wage, nothing below that. We also fought for the garment industry workers to be paid the national minimum wage. So that is something that the Ministry of Employment has now taken on board, and we hope that the Minister responsible will take actions to ensure that the government sector is paid the national minimum wage and above. Having looked at the costs from the employer side, I think no employer will employ workers just because he wants to. He will employ workers because there is work for these workers. The argument that comes from the employer side is null and void. Employers continue living the life that they have lived. They can afford additional houses, they can afford SUVs, they can afford international education for their children. I do not see why they cannot invest in our own country for the workers that help make the profit, for their company, so that they can have these luxuries, even expansion of businesses in the country. DW: Let's look at the scheme that UnionAID is working on with you. How will you go about this? JGS: We are fortunate to have received some support from UnionAID to assist, particularly, this vulnerable sector – women workers, other vulnerable class of workers that could be migrant workers employed in the garment sector. We have a lot of Indians working in the garment sector. We have a lot of Sri Lankans now being employed in the garment sector. And with the assistance of the UnionAID project, we are able to help this group of workers. It has been a struggle. Last few months, it has been a struggle to get these workers to come to meetings. They are very afraid to come to the union office. They are very afraid to engage with unions. They shy away from making reports about what they are facing inside the factory. We really have had to push hard to ensure that the workers come up with the with the issues that they are facing inside. Otherwise we are not able to help them, and this is only been made possible by the UnionAID's project. Otherwise, this is one of the sectors which is not very much organised or in unions. We have two or three unions in under the FTUC umbrella, and they have garment sectors as union members, but that is a very low percentage of the membership of the working force. So, this is an opportunity for us to help the workers by organising them into unions and training them, empowering them on their rights so that they feel free to join unions and raise issues. DW: Why have they not been joining unions to date? JGS: Initially, about six or seven years ago, there was a high rate of union membership from the particular factory that I am talking about, and then there was strict management practices or procedures where the members felt that they would be safer if they did not join unions. There was a drastic decrease in the union membership from that employment. This can be said for other companies as well, where the workers feel that it is about their job security which matters more than them being part of the unions, and sometimes the employers tell them that we will look after you, why do you want to join unions? We have a recent case where one of the workers told us that they have to go back and ask their supervisor if he or she can become a union member or not. They can sign the union form or not. So we told them, 'You need to know what are the rules, what are the legislations in the country, regarding union membership, joining the union. You have a right to join the union, and you do not need to ask somebody else's permission to join the union'. These are some of the things, real life examples, that I can share with you which we are facing. The migrant workers, because they come from other countries, they fear that the work permit will be taken away. The employer will send them back. The employer will not pay them the dues that they are supposed to receive as per their contract. So they stay within their own community groups, and they are reluctant to engage with the union. They are reluctant even to talk to the local people. So it's difficult. There's double wall challenges in accessing the workers, particularly from other countries. DW: So the companies have brought in these workers from overseas to do this work. JGS: Yes, you would be surprised to see the list of countries on the immigration website of Fiji, there is about 50 or 60 companies that are allowed to bring workers from elsewhere, from outside the country, to fill in, they say, the skills shortage that they have in Fiji, and there are some companies that are not listed there. But they also have the opportunity to get workers, import workers, we say, from other countries, and this has been ongoing in the last few years, post-Covid, to fill in the skills shortage, which they say, because our people are migrating or leaving to work in Australia and New Zealand. But I think it is, it is a way to get cheaper labour, readily available labour, because if you employ locals, they wouldn't want to work in the weekends. They have family obligations. They have cultural obligations. But if you bring people from outside the country, they don't have family, they are available after hours, they are available on Saturdays and Sundays to do work. So I think these advantages to the employer to get workers from outside the country to work for them at a cheaper rate. DW: Where do they end up? Living in slums? JGS: They live in groups, in houses, sometimes provided by the employer, sometimes paid by the employer. Sometimes they look for accommodation themselves, but you usually see that there's about 7,8, 9,10 of them living in one house. So that's that's how they live, so that they don't have to pay or that is because what the employer provides them. DW: And what's the mood like among these people? Are they fearful? JGS: Even the locals are fearful. I have had the opportunity to have pocket meetings with some of these workers from inside the factory. I can only get them after hours, which is after 5.30 onwards. Usually, they list their names to say, 'OK I'll be there because the union person is coming, or there is a union held organised meeting'. But on the actual day, you see only 10 turn up and 30 had listed to come. When we find out, and then they say, 'OK they have to do extra shifts, or they are afraid to come. They cannot come, but they have sent this message, or they will ask us what the meeting was about, and we will go pass on the message. The fear is already there. Some of the workers are brave enough to come to the Union office or reach out to the Union, but not all of them. So this is the reason why the membership rate, union membership rate, particularly from this sector, is very, very low. DW; And is that improving since you started this campaign? JGS: I think are we building confidence because we also organising some training programmes on awareness to this group of workers. We also use vernacular to get to them. We sit with them and spend time with them to ask them what are the issues? How long have you been working here? What are the issues that you face? When did you have your last wage increment? Are you secure in the workplace? Is there a good OHS [Occupational Health and Safety] practices in your company? How does the management react to you when you ask for leave? Is your sick leave paid? W hich is a basic right that is not given in our country in some of the workplaces that we are familiar with. We have to lodge grievances because of that, termination cases, suspension cases for small things. So when we exchange with them the information and we tell them, Okay, this is your rights. This is what the union can do. These are the people that you can go to and report. This is the form you can fill. And these are the facilities that the union has for you. I think they feel that they can be part of the Union. They want to be stronger. They want to help the other workers that are living in fear, walking in fear inside the factory. And we feel that in maybe in months to come, even, we will have an increase in the membership from the government sector. DW: How confident are you that your work to increase these wages and improve conditions for these, mostly women, will succeed? JGS: I can speak from other sectors where we thought that would not be any progress, but we have been able to make some changes, sometimes big changes. For a few garment factories, we need to continue pushing, continue reaching out to the workers, organising informal meetings. We say these people, they do not have access to formal training, so informal methods of reaching out to them, informal education programs, are the way where we try to build their confidence and in the role and explain to them the role of the unions. We have also raised grievances to the Ministry of Employment, where we have told them that the management does not want to engage with the unions in terms of the collective agreement, to seal a collective agreement, to discuss and finalize a collective agreement that will cover the terms and conditions of employment for these workers. When we have meetings, we update them that this is what we have spoken to the management. Once these negotiations are completed, then you will have better terms and conditions. But in one of the factories, the employer has used delaying tactics, does not appear, goes back and forth, sends people who don't have the mandate to make decisions on behalf of the company. We have lost a grievance with the Ministry of Employment. We hope that once the ruling comes out, then the employers will take it seriously to conclude the negotiations on the collective agreement. We can sign that, and that will be one plus point, one good progress report that we can take back to the workers to say, this is what the union has been successful in doing, and you do not need to fear. You do not need to worry about your jobs.

Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?
Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?

Scoop

time08-05-2025

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Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?

Article – RNZ A NZ-based civil society group is working to lift improve conditions for workers in the industry, but a Fijian union official says workers in the sector 'are very afraid' to engage., RNZ Pacific Senior Journalist A New Zealand civil society group, aiming to improve working conditions of workers around the Pacific and Asia, has this week welcomed a Fijian union official to Wellington to discuss the plight of garment industry workers in Fiji. Jotika Gounder-Sharma is an official with the Fiji Trades Union Congress (FTUC). She has been working alongside UnionAID on a project aimed organising and improving conditions for garment workers in the Nadi-Lautoka region in the Western Division of the main island, Viti Levu. Gouder-Sharma told RNZ Pacific about the tough environment confronting garment workers. (This transcript has been edited for brevity and clarity). Don Wiseman: I'm speaking with Jotika Gounder-Sharma, and she is with the Fiji Trade Union Congress (FTUC). And you're here in Wellington, discussing with UnionAID what can be done to help women, particularly in the garment industry in Fiji. The garment industry has been under a lot of stress for a long time there. What is the current situation for the garment industry in Fiji? How many people work there? Jotika Gounder-Sharma: It is a pleasure to be part of this initiative by UnionAID to support garment industry workers in Fiji. As you rightly said, a lot of workers in the garment sector are women workers, workers who are not able to get access to employment in other fields. And most of the women in this category work in factories, and particularly in garment factories. In Fiji, roughly an estimate, more than 5000 workers work full time in the garment factories. This is a huge number, particularly for the urban sector, where these women are employed. DW: A huge number. But they used to be a lot more, didn't they? JGS: There used to be a lot more. I think it also depends on the orders that the garment factories receive in terms of exports and sales. The number fluctuates every now and then. There are peak times and their off peak times for production in the garment sector as well, which is one of the reasons why women face a lot of issues in the garment sector. DW: Those businesses left, and I think there's been one that's gone just recently as well, because they claim it's uncompetitive. JGS: This is an excuse, I would say, that we have been getting from the employers, any employers, to say that the cost of production in our country is increasing and they compare to markets like Vietnam, Burma, other countries, also China, where the labour rate is much lower than what is in Fiji. But I think if you invest in business, then this is one of the costs that you have to bear with, in terms of good quality, production, consistent supply, in terms of order, and I think this is one of the reasons why Fiji is still flourishing as one of the garment exporters in the region. DW: There is a minimum wage in Fiji. From a New Zealand point of view, it's very low. It did get increased significantly, though, and I know the garment industry has said that this is one of the factors that they are losing companies. Is it a factor? JGS: I think we have to look at this story from both sides. When we had the minimum wage of FJ$2.32, which is like US$1.15, and the garment sector was still paid below that $2.32 an hour, and when it increased to $2.68 an hour, still the garment industry remained below the $2.68. So, the increase did not take effect in the garment sector. This is a request by the employers in that sector and the FTUC continued to lobby to increase the minimum wage to $4 which is US$2 per hour. Until last year, the industry remained under the minimum wage, well below the minimum wage, and we continued lobbying with the government. In the last budget address, the Minister for Finance announced that the minimum wage will increase to $5, though the FTUC demand was for $6 an hour. Now our campaign is also for a living wage. We want people to be able to afford the basic necessities of life, to live, and that is the reason we are asking for $8 an hour a national living wage to be implemented in Fiji. While the national minimum wage campaign remains at $6. I sit on the National Employment Centre Board, where we decide on the wage rates for all sectors in terms of employment, whether they are interns, whether they are half time, whether they are casual, whether they are temporary, whether they are pool workers, they all need to be paid the national minimum wage, nothing below that. We also fought for the garment industry workers to be paid the national minimum wage. So that is something that the Ministry of Employment has now taken on board, and we hope that the Minister responsible will take actions to ensure that the government sector is paid the national minimum wage and above. Having looked at the costs from the employer side, I think no employer will employ workers just because he wants to. He will employ workers because there is work for these workers. The argument that comes from the employer side is null and void. Employers continue living the life that they have lived. They can afford additional houses, they can afford SUVs, they can afford international education for their children. I do not see why they cannot invest in our own country for the workers that help make the profit, for their company, so that they can have these luxuries, even expansion of businesses in the country. DW: Let's look at the scheme that UnionAID is working on with you. How will you go about this? JGS: We are fortunate to have received some support from UnionAID to assist, particularly, this vulnerable sector – women workers, other vulnerable class of workers that could be migrant workers employed in the garment sector. We have a lot of Indians working in the garment sector. We have a lot of Sri Lankans now being employed in the garment sector. And with the assistance of the UnionAID project, we are able to help this group of workers. It has been a struggle. Last few months, it has been a struggle to get these workers to come to meetings. They are very afraid to come to the union office. They are very afraid to engage with unions. They shy away from making reports about what they are facing inside the factory. We really have had to push hard to ensure that the workers come up with the with the issues that they are facing inside. Otherwise we are not able to help them, and this is only been made possible by the UnionAID's project. Otherwise, this is one of the sectors which is not very much organised or in unions. We have two or three unions in under the FTUC umbrella, and they have garment sectors as union members, but that is a very low percentage of the membership of the working force. So, this is an opportunity for us to help the workers by organising them into unions and training them, empowering them on their rights so that they feel free to join unions and raise issues. DW: Why have they not been joining unions to date? JGS: Initially, about six or seven years ago, there was a high rate of union membership from the particular factory that I am talking about, and then there was strict management practices or procedures where the members felt that they would be safer if they did not join unions. There was a drastic decrease in the union membership from that employment. This can be said for other companies as well, where the workers feel that it is about their job security which matters more than them being part of the unions, and sometimes the employers tell them that we will look after you, why do you want to join unions? We have a recent case where one of the workers told us that they have to go back and ask their supervisor if he or she can become a union member or not. They can sign the union form or not. So we told them, 'You need to know what are the rules, what are the legislations in the country, regarding union membership, joining the union. You have a right to join the union, and you do not need to ask somebody else's permission to join the union'. These are some of the things, real life examples, that I can share with you which we are facing. The migrant workers, because they come from other countries, they fear that the work permit will be taken away. The employer will send them back. The employer will not pay them the dues that they are supposed to receive as per their contract. So they stay within their own community groups, and they are reluctant to engage with the union. They are reluctant even to talk to the local people. So it's difficult. There's double wall challenges in accessing the workers, particularly from other countries. DW: So the companies have brought in these workers from overseas to do this work. JGS: Yes, you would be surprised to see the list of countries on the immigration website of Fiji, there is about 50 or 60 companies that are allowed to bring workers from elsewhere, from outside the country, to fill in, they say, the skills shortage that they have in Fiji, and there are some companies that are not listed there. But they also have the opportunity to get workers, import workers, we say, from other countries, and this has been ongoing in the last few years, post-Covid, to fill in the skills shortage, which they say, because our people are migrating or leaving to work in Australia and New Zealand. But I think it is, it is a way to get cheaper labour, readily available labour, because if you employ locals, they wouldn't want to work in the weekends. They have family obligations. They have cultural obligations. But if you bring people from outside the country, they don't have family, they are available after hours, they are available on Saturdays and Sundays to do work. So I think these advantages to the employer to get workers from outside the country to work for them at a cheaper rate. DW: Where do they end up? Living in slums? JGS: They live in groups, in houses, sometimes provided by the employer, sometimes paid by the employer. Sometimes they look for accommodation themselves, but you usually see that there's about 7,8, 9,10 of them living in one house. So that's that's how they live, so that they don't have to pay or that is because what the employer provides them. DW: And what's the mood like among these people? Are they fearful? JGS: Even the locals are fearful. I have had the opportunity to have pocket meetings with some of these workers from inside the factory. I can only get them after hours, which is after 5.30 onwards. Usually, they list their names to say, 'OK I'll be there because the union person is coming, or there is a union held organised meeting'. But on the actual day, you see only 10 turn up and 30 had listed to come. When we find out, and then they say, 'OK they have to do extra shifts, or they are afraid to come. They cannot come, but they have sent this message, or they will ask us what the meeting was about, and we will go pass on the message. The fear is already there. Some of the workers are brave enough to come to the Union office or reach out to the Union, but not all of them. So this is the reason why the membership rate, union membership rate, particularly from this sector, is very, very low. DW; And is that improving since you started this campaign? JGS: I think are we building confidence because we also organising some training programmes on awareness to this group of workers. We also use vernacular to get to them. We sit with them and spend time with them to ask them what are the issues? How long have you been working here? What are the issues that you face? When did you have your last wage increment? Are you secure in the workplace? Is there a good OHS [Occupational Health and Safety] practices in your company? How does the management react to you when you ask for leave? Is your sick leave paid? W hich is a basic right that is not given in our country in some of the workplaces that we are familiar with. We have to lodge grievances because of that, termination cases, suspension cases for small things. So when we exchange with them the information and we tell them, Okay, this is your rights. This is what the union can do. These are the people that you can go to and report. This is the form you can fill. And these are the facilities that the union has for you. I think they feel that they can be part of the Union. They want to be stronger. They want to help the other workers that are living in fear, walking in fear inside the factory. And we feel that in maybe in months to come, even, we will have an increase in the membership from the government sector. DW: How confident are you that your work to increase these wages and improve conditions for these, mostly women, will succeed? JGS: I can speak from other sectors where we thought that would not be any progress, but we have been able to make some changes, sometimes big changes. For a few garment factories, we need to continue pushing, continue reaching out to the workers, organising informal meetings. We say these people, they do not have access to formal training, so informal methods of reaching out to them, informal education programs, are the way where we try to build their confidence and in the role and explain to them the role of the unions. We have also raised grievances to the Ministry of Employment, where we have told them that the management does not want to engage with the unions in terms of the collective agreement, to seal a collective agreement, to discuss and finalize a collective agreement that will cover the terms and conditions of employment for these workers. When we have meetings, we update them that this is what we have spoken to the management. Once these negotiations are completed, then you will have better terms and conditions. But in one of the factories, the employer has used delaying tactics, does not appear, goes back and forth, sends people who don't have the mandate to make decisions on behalf of the company. We have lost a grievance with the Ministry of Employment. We hope that once the ruling comes out, then the employers will take it seriously to conclude the negotiations on the collective agreement. We can sign that, and that will be one plus point, one good progress report that we can take back to the workers to say, this is what the union has been successful in doing, and you do not need to fear. You do not need to worry about your jobs.

Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?
Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?

Scoop

time08-05-2025

  • Business
  • Scoop

Why Are Fiji's Garment Workers Being Left Behind Despite A Rising Minimum Wage?

, RNZ Pacific Senior Journalist A New Zealand civil society group, aiming to improve working conditions of workers around the Pacific and Asia, has this week welcomed a Fijian union official to Wellington to discuss the plight of garment industry workers in Fiji. Jotika Gounder-Sharma is an official with the Fiji Trades Union Congress (FTUC). She has been working alongside UnionAID on a project aimed organising and improving conditions for garment workers in the Nadi-Lautoka region in the Western Division of the main island, Viti Levu. Gouder-Sharma told RNZ Pacific about the tough environment confronting garment workers. (This transcript has been edited for brevity and clarity). Don Wiseman: I'm speaking with Jotika Gounder-Sharma, and she is with the Fiji Trade Union Congress (FTUC). And you're here in Wellington, discussing with UnionAID what can be done to help women, particularly in the garment industry in Fiji. The garment industry has been under a lot of stress for a long time there. What is the current situation for the garment industry in Fiji? How many people work there? Jotika Gounder-Sharma: It is a pleasure to be part of this initiative by UnionAID to support garment industry workers in Fiji. As you rightly said, a lot of workers in the garment sector are women workers, workers who are not able to get access to employment in other fields. And most of the women in this category work in factories, and particularly in garment factories. In Fiji, roughly an estimate, more than 5000 workers work full time in the garment factories. This is a huge number, particularly for the urban sector, where these women are employed. DW: A huge number. But they used to be a lot more, didn't they? JGS: There used to be a lot more. I think it also depends on the orders that the garment factories receive in terms of exports and sales. The number fluctuates every now and then. There are peak times and their off peak times for production in the garment sector as well, which is one of the reasons why women face a lot of issues in the garment sector. DW: Those businesses left, and I think there's been one that's gone just recently as well, because they claim it's uncompetitive. JGS: This is an excuse, I would say, that we have been getting from the employers, any employers, to say that the cost of production in our country is increasing and they compare to markets like Vietnam, Burma, other countries, also China, where the labour rate is much lower than what is in Fiji. But I think if you invest in business, then this is one of the costs that you have to bear with, in terms of good quality, production, consistent supply, in terms of order, and I think this is one of the reasons why Fiji is still flourishing as one of the garment exporters in the region. DW: There is a minimum wage in Fiji. From a New Zealand point of view, it's very low. It did get increased significantly, though, and I know the garment industry has said that this is one of the factors that they are losing companies. Is it a factor? JGS: I think we have to look at this story from both sides. When we had the minimum wage of FJ$2.32, which is like US$1.15, and the garment sector was still paid below that $2.32 an hour, and when it increased to $2.68 an hour, still the garment industry remained below the $2.68. So, the increase did not take effect in the garment sector. This is a request by the employers in that sector and the FTUC continued to lobby to increase the minimum wage to $4 which is US$2 per hour. Until last year, the industry remained under the minimum wage, well below the minimum wage, and we continued lobbying with the government. In the last budget address, the Minister for Finance announced that the minimum wage will increase to $5, though the FTUC demand was for $6 an hour. Now our campaign is also for a living wage. We want people to be able to afford the basic necessities of life, to live, and that is the reason we are asking for $8 an hour a national living wage to be implemented in Fiji. While the national minimum wage campaign remains at $6. I sit on the National Employment Centre Board, where we decide on the wage rates for all sectors in terms of employment, whether they are interns, whether they are half time, whether they are casual, whether they are temporary, whether they are pool workers, they all need to be paid the national minimum wage, nothing below that. We also fought for the garment industry workers to be paid the national minimum wage. So that is something that the Ministry of Employment has now taken on board, and we hope that the Minister responsible will take actions to ensure that the government sector is paid the national minimum wage and above. Having looked at the costs from the employer side, I think no employer will employ workers just because he wants to. He will employ workers because there is work for these workers. The argument that comes from the employer side is null and void. Employers continue living the life that they have lived. They can afford additional houses, they can afford SUVs, they can afford international education for their children. I do not see why they cannot invest in our own country for the workers that help make the profit, for their company, so that they can have these luxuries, even expansion of businesses in the country. DW: Let's look at the scheme that UnionAID is working on with you. How will you go about this? JGS: We are fortunate to have received some support from UnionAID to assist, particularly, this vulnerable sector - women workers, other vulnerable class of workers that could be migrant workers employed in the garment sector. We have a lot of Indians working in the garment sector. We have a lot of Sri Lankans now being employed in the garment sector. And with the assistance of the UnionAID project, we are able to help this group of workers. It has been a struggle. Last few months, it has been a struggle to get these workers to come to meetings. They are very afraid to come to the union office. They are very afraid to engage with unions. They shy away from making reports about what they are facing inside the factory. We really have had to push hard to ensure that the workers come up with the with the issues that they are facing inside. Otherwise we are not able to help them, and this is only been made possible by the UnionAID's project. Otherwise, this is one of the sectors which is not very much organised or in unions. We have two or three unions in under the FTUC umbrella, and they have garment sectors as union members, but that is a very low percentage of the membership of the working force. So, this is an opportunity for us to help the workers by organising them into unions and training them, empowering them on their rights so that they feel free to join unions and raise issues. DW: Why have they not been joining unions to date? JGS: Initially, about six or seven years ago, there was a high rate of union membership from the particular factory that I am talking about, and then there was strict management practices or procedures where the members felt that they would be safer if they did not join unions. There was a drastic decrease in the union membership from that employment. This can be said for other companies as well, where the workers feel that it is about their job security which matters more than them being part of the unions, and sometimes the employers tell them that we will look after you, why do you want to join unions? We have a recent case where one of the workers told us that they have to go back and ask their supervisor if he or she can become a union member or not. They can sign the union form or not. So we told them, 'You need to know what are the rules, what are the legislations in the country, regarding union membership, joining the union. You have a right to join the union, and you do not need to ask somebody else's permission to join the union'. These are some of the things, real life examples, that I can share with you which we are facing. The migrant workers, because they come from other countries, they fear that the work permit will be taken away. The employer will send them back. The employer will not pay them the dues that they are supposed to receive as per their contract. So they stay within their own community groups, and they are reluctant to engage with the union. They are reluctant even to talk to the local people. So it's difficult. There's double wall challenges in accessing the workers, particularly from other countries. DW: So the companies have brought in these workers from overseas to do this work. JGS: Yes, you would be surprised to see the list of countries on the immigration website of Fiji, there is about 50 or 60 companies that are allowed to bring workers from elsewhere, from outside the country, to fill in, they say, the skills shortage that they have in Fiji, and there are some companies that are not listed there. But they also have the opportunity to get workers, import workers, we say, from other countries, and this has been ongoing in the last few years, post-Covid, to fill in the skills shortage, which they say, because our people are migrating or leaving to work in Australia and New Zealand. But I think it is, it is a way to get cheaper labour, readily available labour, because if you employ locals, they wouldn't want to work in the weekends. They have family obligations. They have cultural obligations. But if you bring people from outside the country, they don't have family, they are available after hours, they are available on Saturdays and Sundays to do work. So I think these advantages to the employer to get workers from outside the country to work for them at a cheaper rate. DW: Where do they end up? Living in slums? JGS: They live in groups, in houses, sometimes provided by the employer, sometimes paid by the employer. Sometimes they look for accommodation themselves, but you usually see that there's about 7,8, 9,10 of them living in one house. So that's that's how they live, so that they don't have to pay or that is because what the employer provides them. DW: And what's the mood like among these people? Are they fearful? JGS: Even the locals are fearful. I have had the opportunity to have pocket meetings with some of these workers from inside the factory. I can only get them after hours, which is after 5.30 onwards. Usually, they list their names to say, 'OK I'll be there because the union person is coming, or there is a union held organised meeting'. But on the actual day, you see only 10 turn up and 30 had listed to come. When we find out, and then they say, 'OK they have to do extra shifts, or they are afraid to come. They cannot come, but they have sent this message, or they will ask us what the meeting was about, and we will go pass on the message. The fear is already there. Some of the workers are brave enough to come to the Union office or reach out to the Union, but not all of them. So this is the reason why the membership rate, union membership rate, particularly from this sector, is very, very low. DW; And is that improving since you started this campaign? JGS: I think are we building confidence because we also organising some training programmes on awareness to this group of workers. We also use vernacular to get to them. We sit with them and spend time with them to ask them what are the issues? How long have you been working here? What are the issues that you face? When did you have your last wage increment? Are you secure in the workplace? Is there a good OHS [Occupational Health and Safety] practices in your company? How does the management react to you when you ask for leave? Is your sick leave paid? W hich is a basic right that is not given in our country in some of the workplaces that we are familiar with. We have to lodge grievances because of that, termination cases, suspension cases for small things. So when we exchange with them the information and we tell them, Okay, this is your rights. This is what the union can do. These are the people that you can go to and report. This is the form you can fill. And these are the facilities that the union has for you. I think they feel that they can be part of the Union. They want to be stronger. They want to help the other workers that are living in fear, walking in fear inside the factory. And we feel that in maybe in months to come, even, we will have an increase in the membership from the government sector. DW: How confident are you that your work to increase these wages and improve conditions for these, mostly women, will succeed? JGS: I can speak from other sectors where we thought that would not be any progress, but we have been able to make some changes, sometimes big changes. For a few garment factories, we need to continue pushing, continue reaching out to the workers, organising informal meetings. We say these people, they do not have access to formal training, so informal methods of reaching out to them, informal education programs, are the way where we try to build their confidence and in the role and explain to them the role of the unions. We have also raised grievances to the Ministry of Employment, where we have told them that the management does not want to engage with the unions in terms of the collective agreement, to seal a collective agreement, to discuss and finalize a collective agreement that will cover the terms and conditions of employment for these workers. When we have meetings, we update them that this is what we have spoken to the management. Once these negotiations are completed, then you will have better terms and conditions. But in one of the factories, the employer has used delaying tactics, does not appear, goes back and forth, sends people who don't have the mandate to make decisions on behalf of the company. We have lost a grievance with the Ministry of Employment. We hope that once the ruling comes out, then the employers will take it seriously to conclude the negotiations on the collective agreement. We can sign that, and that will be one plus point, one good progress report that we can take back to the workers to say, this is what the union has been successful in doing, and you do not need to fear. You do not need to worry about your jobs.

Why are Fiji's garment workers being left behind despite a rising minimum wage?
Why are Fiji's garment workers being left behind despite a rising minimum wage?

RNZ News

time07-05-2025

  • Business
  • RNZ News

Why are Fiji's garment workers being left behind despite a rising minimum wage?

Fiji's garment exports have halved in the last decade. Photo: 123rf A New Zealand civil society group aiming to improve working conditions of workers around the Pacific has this week welcomed a Fijian union official to Wellington to discuss the plight of garment industry workers in Fiji. Jotika Gounder-Sharma is an official with the Fiji Trades Union Congress (FTUC). She has been working alongside UnionAID on a project aimed organising and improving conditions for garment workers in the Nadi-Lautoka region in the Western Division of the main island, Viti Levu. Gouder-Sharma told RNZ Pacific about the tough environment confronting garment workers. (This transcript has been edited for brevity and clarity). Don Wiseman: I'm speaking with Jotika Gounder-Sharma, and she is with the Fiji Trade Union Congress (FTUC). And you're here in Wellington, discussing with UnionAID what can be done to help women, particularly in the garment industry in Fiji. The garment industry has been under a lot of stress for a long time there. What is the current situation for the garment industry in Fiji? How many people work there? Jotika Gounder-Sharma: It is a pleasure to be part of this initiative by UnionAID to support garment industry workers in Fiji. As you rightly said, a lot of workers in the garment sector are women workers, workers who are not able to get access to employment in other fields. And most of the women in this category work in factories, and particularly in garment factories. In Fiji, roughly an estimate, more than 5000 workers work full time in the garment factories. This is a huge number, particularly for the urban sector, where these women are employed. DW: A huge number. But they used to be a lot more, didn't they? JGS: There used to be a lot more. I think it also depends on the orders that the garment factories receive in terms of exports and sales. The number fluctuates every now and then. There are peak times and their off peak times for production in the garment sector as well, which is one of the reasons why women face a lot of issues in the garment sector. DW: Those businesses left, and I think there's been one that's gone just recently as well, because they claim it's uncompetitive. JGS: This is an excuse, I would say, that we have been getting from the employers, any employers, to say that the cost of production in our country is increasing and they compare to markets like Vietnam, Burma, other countries, also China, where the labour rate is much lower than what is in Fiji. But I think if you invest in business, then this is one of the costs that you have to bear with, in terms of good quality, production, consistent supply, in terms of order, and I think this is one of the reasons why Fiji is still flourishing as one of the garment exporters in the region. DW: There is a minimum wage in Fiji. From a New Zealand point of view, it's very low. It did get increased significantly, though, and I know the garment industry has said that this is one of the factors that they are losing companies. Is it a factor? JGS: I think we have to look at this story from both sides. When we had the minimum wage of FJ$2.32, which is like US$1.15, and the garment sector was still paid below that $2.32 an hour, and when it increased to $2.68 an hour, still the garment industry remained below the $2.68. So, the increase did not take effect in the garment sector. This is a request by the employers in that sector and the FTUC continued to lobby to increase the minimum wage to $4 which is US$2 per hour. Until last year, the industry remained under the minimum wage, well below the minimum wage, and we continued lobbying with the government. In the last budget address, the Minister for Finance announced that the minimum wage will increase to $5, though the FTUC demand was for $6 an hour. Now our campaign is also for a living wage. We want people to be able to afford the basic necessities of life, to live, and that is the reason we are asking for $8 an hour a national living wage to be implemented in Fiji. While the national minimum wage campaign remains at $6. I sit on the National Employment Centre Board, where we decide on the wage rates for all sectors in terms of employment, whether they are interns, whether they are half time, whether they are casual, whether they are temporary, whether they are pool workers, they all need to be paid the national minimum wage, nothing below that. We also fought for the garment industry workers to be paid the national minimum wage. So that is something that the Ministry of Employment has now taken on board, and we hope that the Minister responsible will take actions to ensure that the government sector is paid the national minimum wage and above. Having looked at the costs from the employer side, I think no employer will employ workers just because he wants to. He will employ workers because there is work for these workers. The argument that comes from the employer side is null and void. Employers continue living the life that they have lived. They can afford additional houses, they can afford SUVs, they can afford international education for their children. I do not see why they cannot invest in our own country for the workers that help make the profit, for their company, so that they can have these luxuries, even expansion of businesses in the country. DW: Let's look at the scheme that UnionAID is working on with you. How will you go about this? JGS: We are fortunate to have received some support from UnionAID to assist, particularly, this vulnerable sector - women workers, other vulnerable class of workers that could be migrant workers employed in the garment sector. We have a lot of Indians working in the garment sector. We have a lot of Sri Lankans now being employed in the garment sector. And with the assistance of the UnionAID project, we are able to help this group of workers. It has been a struggle. Last few months, it has been a struggle to get these workers to come to meetings. They are very afraid to come to the union office. They are very afraid to engage with unions. They shy away from making reports about what they are facing inside the factory. We really have had to push hard to ensure that the workers come up with the with the issues that they are facing inside. Otherwise we are not able to help them, and this is only been made possible by the UnionAID's project. Otherwise, this is one of the sectors which is not very much organised or in unions. We have two or three unions in under the FTUC umbrella, and they have garment sectors as union members, but that is a very low percentage of the membership of the working force. So, this is an opportunity for us to help the workers by organising them into unions and training them, empowering them on their rights so that they feel free to join unions and raise issues. DW: Why have they not been joining unions to date? JGS: Initially, about six or seven years ago, there was a high rate of union membership from the particular factory that I am talking about, and then there was strict management practices or procedures where the members felt that they would be safer if they did not join unions. There was a drastic decrease in the union membership from that employment. This can be said for other companies as well, where the workers feel that it is about their job security which matters more than them being part of the unions, and sometimes the employers tell them that we will look after you, why do you want to join unions? We have a recent case where one of the workers told us that they have to go back and ask their supervisor if he or she can become a union member or not. They can sign the union form or not. So we told them, 'You need to know what are the rules, what are the legislations in the country, regarding union membership, joining the union. You have a right to join the union, and you do not need to ask somebody else's permission to join the union'. These are some of the things, real life examples, that I can share with you which we are facing. The migrant workers, because they come from other countries, they fear that the work permit will be taken away. The employer will send them back. The employer will not pay them the dues that they are supposed to receive as per their contract. So they stay within their own community groups, and they are reluctant to engage with the union. They are reluctant even to talk to the local people. So it's difficult. There's double wall challenges in accessing the workers, particularly from other countries. DW: So the companies have brought in these workers from overseas to do this work. JGS: Yes, you would be surprised to see the list of countries on the immigration website of Fiji, there is about 50 or 60 companies that are allowed to bring workers from elsewhere, from outside the country, to fill in, they say, the skills shortage that they have in Fiji, and there are some companies that are not listed there. But they also have the opportunity to get workers, import workers, we say, from other countries, and this has been ongoing in the last few years, post-Covid, to fill in the skills shortage, which they say, because our people are migrating or leaving to work in Australia and New Zealand. But I think it is, it is a way to get cheaper labour, readily available labour, because if you employ locals, they wouldn't want to work in the weekends. They have family obligations. They have cultural obligations. But if you bring people from outside the country, they don't have family, they are available after hours, they are available on Saturdays and Sundays to do work. So I think these advantages to the employer to get workers from outside the country to work for them at a cheaper rate. DW: Where do they end up? Living in slums? JGS: They live in groups, in houses, sometimes provided by the employer, sometimes paid by the employer. Sometimes they look for accommodation themselves, but you usually see that there's about 7,8, 9,10 of them living in one house. So that's that's how they live, so that they don't have to pay or that is because what the employer provides them. DW: And what's the mood like among these people? Are they fearful? JGS: Even the locals are fearful. I have had the opportunity to have pocket meetings with some of these workers from inside the factory. I can only get them after hours, which is after 5.30 onwards. Usually, they list their names to say, 'OK I'll be there because the union person is coming, or there is a union held organised meeting'. But on the actual day, you see only 10 turn up and 30 had listed to come. When we find out, and then they say, 'OK they have to do extra shifts, or they are afraid to come. They cannot come, but they have sent this message, or they will ask us what the meeting was about, and we will go pass on the message. The fear is already there. Some of the workers are brave enough to come to the Union office or reach out to the Union, but not all of them. So this is the reason why the membership rate, union membership rate, particularly from this sector, is very, very low. DW; And is that improving since you started this campaign? JGS: I think are we building confidence because we also organising some training programmes on awareness to this group of workers. We also use vernacular to get to them. We sit with them and spend time with them to ask them what are the issues? How long have you been working here? What are the issues that you face? When did you have your last wage increment? Are you secure in the workplace? Is there a good OHS [Occupational Health and Safety] practices in your company? How does the management react to you when you ask for leave? Is your sick leave paid? W hich is a basic right that is not given in our country in some of the workplaces that we are familiar with. We have to lodge grievances because of that, termination cases, suspension cases for small things. So when we exchange with them the information and we tell them, Okay, this is your rights. This is what the union can do. These are the people that you can go to and report. This is the form you can fill. And these are the facilities that the union has for you. I think they feel that they can be part of the Union. They want to be stronger. They want to help the other workers that are living in fear, walking in fear inside the factory. And we feel that in maybe in months to come, even, we will have an increase in the membership from the government sector. DW: How confident are you that your work to increase these wages and improve conditions for these, mostly women, will succeed? JGS: I can speak from other sectors where we thought that would not be any progress, but we have been able to make some changes, sometimes big changes. For a few garment factories, we need to continue pushing, continue reaching out to the workers, organising informal meetings. We say these people, they do not have access to formal training, so informal methods of reaching out to them, informal education programs, are the way where we try to build their confidence and in the role and explain to them the role of the unions. We have also raised grievances to the Ministry of Employment, where we have told them that the management does not want to engage with the unions in terms of the collective agreement, to seal a collective agreement, to discuss and finalize a collective agreement that will cover the terms and conditions of employment for these workers. When we have meetings, we update them that this is what we have spoken to the management. Once these negotiations are completed, then you will have better terms and conditions. But in one of the factories, the employer has used delaying tactics, does not appear, goes back and forth, sends people who don't have the mandate to make decisions on behalf of the company. We have lost a grievance with the Ministry of Employment. We hope that once the ruling comes out, then the employers will take it seriously to conclude the negotiations on the collective agreement. We can sign that, and that will be one plus point, one good progress report that we can take back to the workers to say, this is what the union has been successful in doing, and you do not need to fear. You do not need to worry about your jobs.

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