
Q1 2025 Verrica Pharmaceuticals Inc Earnings Call
Kevin Gardner; Managing Director; LifeSci Advisors LLC
Jayson Rieger; President, Chief Executive Officer; Verrica Pharmaceuticals Inc
John Kirby; Interim Chief Financial Officer; Verrica Pharmaceuticals Inc
Stacy Ku; Analyst; TD Securities (USA) LLC
Anish Nikhanj; Analyst; RBC Capital Markets (Canada)
Serge Belanger; Senior Analyst; Needham & Company LLC
Kemp Dolliver; Analyst; Brookline Capital Markets
Operator
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Verrica Pharmaceuticals' First Quarter 2025 Corporate Update Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Kevin Gardner of LifeSci Advisors. You may begin your conference.
Kevin Gardner
Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Verrica Pharmaceuticals' First Quarter 2025 Corporate Update Conference Call. With me on the line this evening are Jayson Rieger, President and Chief Executive Officer of Verrica Pharmaceuticals; Dr. Noah Rosenberg, Chief Medical Officer; John Kirby, Interim Chief Financial Officer; and David Zawitz, Chief Operating Officer. As a reminder, during today's call, management will make forward-looking statements. These statements may include expectations related to the commercialization of YCANTH for the treatment of molluscum contagiosum in the United States, continued revenue growth, regulatory developments, the development of Verrica's product candidates, company's expected cash runway and its ability to obtain funding for future operations, and Verrica's overall business strategy and planned operations. These forward-looking statements are based on the company's current expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties. And based on those risks and uncertainties, Verrica's actual results and the timing of events could differ materially from those anticipated in such forward-looking statements. Please see Verrica's SEC filings for important risk factors. Verrica cautions you not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements and undertakes no duty or obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events or changes in expectations. In addition, during today's call, management will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP financial measures are in addition to and not a substitute for or superior to measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. There are a number of limitations related to the use of these non-GAAP financial measures versus their closest GAAP equivalents. The earnings release that the company issued today includes GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliations for these measures and is also available on the Investor Relations section of Verrica's website. I'll now turn the call over to Verrica's President and CEO, Jayson Rieger.
Jayson Rieger
Thank you, Kevin, and good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2025 corporate update call. I'm pleased to report that our focused commercialization strategy is helping to drive increased demand for YCANTH. On April 7, we pre-announced strong sequential growth in the first quarter with YCANTH dispensed applicator units increasing 16.7% over the fourth quarter of 2024 and rising above 10,000 units per quarter for the first time since the launch of the product. As announced today, this also resulted in $3.4 million in revenue for the quarter. I'm further excited to say that we have seen momentum build throughout Q1 and are working to continue to capture that momentum. As demand for YCANTH by pediatricians, dermatologists and other healthcare professionals and their patients continues to grow, we believe YCANTH distributor inventory levels have normalized and we expect that dispensed applicator units will now more closely track to our revenues. Importantly, we are executing on our commercial strategy as a much leaner and more capital efficient company, which I believe will place us on a strong and sustainable growth trajectory. In parallel with our commercial progress, Verrica's clinical stage pipeline also continues to advance. We continue to work with our development and commercialization partner, Torii Pharmaceutical, to initiate our Phase 3 program of YCANTH in the treatment of common warts. Meanwhile, we continue to advance our novel oncolytic peptide VP-315, which has shown promising safety and efficacy data in Phase 2 trial for the treatment of basal cell carcinoma, having recently held an end of Phase 2 meeting with the FDA to discuss the design of our Phase 3 program. Given the significant unmet need for both of these indications, we believe developing these programs has the potential to significantly grow the value of our company. I will now provide a more detailed update on our commercial activities for YCANTH. During the first quarter of 2025, the full effects from our revised commercialization strategy, which we began to implement in Q4 of last year, helped drive demand for YCANTH. As we have previously noted, we initially focused on territories with high prevalence of molluscum and established strong insurance coverage. The productivity of our sales force also improved substantially during the first quarter. Our average dispense applicator unit per selling day continues to trend favorably, giving us additional confidence that our new commercial strategy is working. To that end, we have recruited new sales representatives to work in new territories, splitting certain large markets and entering other new markets to capitalize on improving demand. Throughout the first quarter, we also continued adding local independent regional pharmacies to our strong relationships with our National Specialty Pharmacy Partners. Our approach to distribution of YCANTH has been to focus where physicians and other healthcare professionals prefer to write prescriptions and we've seen strong adoption to this approach since the relaunch. As previously noted, YCANTH inventory levels appear to have normalized, as we are seeing multiple orders each month from our distribution partners rather than larger infrequent stocking orders. Going forward, we believe shipments of YCANTH Applicator units will more closely reflect the underlying demand from physicians and patients and the disclosure relationship will translate into steadier revenue growth as we continue the relaunch. Finally, our cost cutting measures have taken hold and our quarterly expenses are reflective of that. We would expect that going forward we will selectively add to sales personnel in geographic areas where we have good coverage but no representative and add additional sales representatives in markets where there are enough potential customers to warrant multiple representatives in that market. I'd like to now also provide a brief update on our clinical stage pipeline. As previously reported with respect to YCANTH, our Japanese development and commercialization partner, Torii Pharmaceutical, filed in late 2024 a new drug application in Japan, seeking approval of YCANTH, designated in Japan as TO- 208 for treatment of molluscum. With an estimated over 1.6 million patients in Japan alone, molluscum represents a significant market opportunity for YCANTH. And we look forward to Torii sharing updates on the regulatory approval process later this year. We are also working with Torii to relaunch to launch a global Phase 3 study evaluating YCANTH in the United States for TO-208 in Japan for the treatment of common warts. Verrica remains eligible to receive a milestone payment of $8 million upon the initiation of this study, which could begin as early as mid-2025. As we previously stated, the cost of this study will be split 50-50 with Torii, but Verrica's portion will be paid by Torii and reimbursed by Verrica at a future milestones and transfer price payments. Regarding our Phase 3 ready clinical oncology asset, VP-315, which we are developing for the treatment of basal cell carcinoma, as previously disclosed in January, a post hoc analysis of data from our Phase 2 -- or Part 2 of our Phase 2 study demonstrated treatment with VP-315 led to a calculated objective response rate or OOR of 97%. OOR was defined as the percentage of study subjects who did not demonstrate disease progression and who experienced at least 30% reduction in tumor size along with a partial or complete response following treatment. We believe positive preliminary top-line results from our Phase 2 study suggest that VP-315 has the potential to change the treatment paradigm for patients with basal cell carcinoma, the most common form of skin cancer. As noted on our fourth quarter call, we expect to announce additional genomic and immune response data for VP-315 in mid-2025. We are also encouraged by our recent end of Phase 2 meeting with the FDA. After reviewing the final meeting minutes and this additional data, we plan on providing a global development program update later this quarter. Finally, I would like to mention recent appointments to our senior management and Board of Directors. In March, we announced that Dr. Noah Rosenberg joined Verrica team as our new Chief Medical Officer. Noah is a highly accomplished pharmaceutical executive and physician who brings deep expertise in both drug development and commercialization. As CMO, he will play an instrumental role in advancing of our goal for YCANTH to become the standard of care for the treatment of molluscum contagiosum and in advancing our clinical stage programs. Following Noah's appointment in early April, we welcome Dr. Gavin Corcoran to our Board of Directors. Over his career, Gavin has built an outstanding track record of developing and launching innovative medicines as well as creating significant value through strategic transactions. As we execute our strategic objectives, his expertise will help guide us in our decision making and look forward to working with him as we enter our next phase of growth. I will now turn the call over to our Interim Chief Financial Officer, John Kirby, to review our first quarter 2025 financials.
John Kirby
Thanks, Jayson. In the first quarter of 2025, we reported total revenues of $3.4 million which was substantially all YCANTH revenue. Net YCANTH revenue reflects shipments to our distribution partners offset by standard gross to net adjustments including actual or anticipated product returns, off invoice discounts, distribution fees, co-pay programs and other rebates. Collaboration revenues totaling $17,000 in the first quarter of 2025, which related to our supply of applicators to Torii in connection with their development and commercialization activities. Gross product margins for the first quarter of 2025 were approximately 88%. Cost of product revenue of $0.4 million included $47,000 of obsolete inventory cost. Research and development expenses of $2.3 million in the first quarter of 2025 decreased versus the first quarter of 2024 by $2.6 million driven primarily by $2.1 million decrease in clinical trial expenses related to VP-315 as well as costs related to a decrease in regulatory and medical affairs expenses of $0.4 million. Selling, general and administrative expenses of $8.8 million in the first quarter of 2025 decreased versus the first quarter of 2024 by $7.5 million driven primarily by the implementation of our more focused commercial strategy for YCANTH. GAAP net loss was $9.7 million or $0.1 per share for the first quarter of 2025 compared to a GAAP net loss of $20.3 million or $0.44 per share for the first quarter of 2024. On a non-GAAP basis, which excludes stock-based compensation, non-cash interest expense and change in fair value of embedded derivatives, the first quarter of 2025 net loss was $7.8 million or $0.08 per share compared to a net loss of $17.8 million or $0.38 per share for the first quarter of 2024. And finally, as of March 31, 2025, Verrica had aggregate cash and cash equivalents of $29.6 million. Under GAAP, the cash and cash equivalents as of March 31, 2025, would not be sufficient to fund operations for the one-year period following the release of our financial statements. However, should Verrica receive $8 million milestone payment from Torii triggered by the initiation of the Phase 3 clinical trial in Japan for common warts, or should we receive a portion of the $25 million in proceeds from the exercise of Series A warrants issued as part of our November 2024 equity financing, which expire in November of 2025, we could have sufficient cash to fund operations for such periods. Nonetheless, we will continue to apply discretion in our use of cash and explore opportunities to further bolster the strength of our balance sheet, while still advancing our commercial and clinical development efforts. I'll now turn the call back over to Jayson for closing remarks.
Jayson Rieger
Thanks, John. Based on our focused commercialization strategy and more capital efficient operating structure, I believe Verrica remains on a pathway for strong and sustainable growth. The positive feedback we are receiving from the field also tells us that brand recognition for YCANTH continues to grow amongst both dermatologists and pediatricians. In addition, we see patient access continuing to improve along with strong and predictable reimbursement from Medicaid and commercial payers, all of which we believe point towards YCANTH becoming the new standard of care for the treatment of molluscum contagion. As YCANTH continues to grow, our late-stage pipeline provides another exciting source of value for our company and shareholders. We believe our program in common warts and basal cell carcinoma each hold significant potential value, and we look forward to providing updates on these programs in the near future. With that, we would now be happy to take any questions. Operator?
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Stacy Ku, TD Cowen.
Stacy Ku
Thanks so much for taking our questions and congratulations on your Q1 performance. So first, maybe could you further discuss your success in targeting pediatricians, maybe talk about the current split of pediatric derms versus pediatrics, writing YCANTH? So that's the first question. And then the second question, maybe as we think about the summertime, potential increase in molluscum patients, what kind of preparation is ongoing to really capture these patients? And do you expect YCANTH show some seasonality as it relates to patient demand as we kind of enter the summer months? And then last question is on 2025 full year. Consensus is around $15 million. So would love to hear your thoughts around the Q1 performance and how it relates to the rest of the year. Maybe talk about the dynamic between patient demand and maybe some additional pull through of inventory. It sounds like it's stable. So just want to make sure we have that correct.
Jayson Rieger
Thanks, Stacy. This is Jayson. I appreciate the questions. And if I don't answer all your questions, please track me down for anything I left off. In terms of split between derms and peds, we're seeing an ever-growing number of pediatricians writing the product, but still large percentage of our customers are the derms and they still remain strong advocates of our product and users of the product. So I would say rather than the dynamic splitting, we're seeing growth in both, which is very exciting for the penetration of the product, but also the availability of it for the patients. In terms of the summer months, it's kind of interesting that you asked that. There tends to be modest speculation on seasonality for molluscum, although as the weather does get better and kids are outside more, commonly go into pools where molluscum can be transmitted with sharing of towels, etc. There may be some seasonality uptick. We are doing a fair amount of sort of marketing to clinicians and some via social media activities to sort of continue to build awareness for molluscum as a disease, but also that YCANTH is available for treatment for the patients. So I think that's going to continue to contribute to the growth of YCANTH penetration in the units that we're dispensing. And in terms of 2025, for full year consensus and guidance, I appreciate you asking that. The company at this point is not going to give guidance for the year. We will continue though, however, to share the number of dispensed applicator units. We'll try to update that on a quarterly basis when that information becomes available and share the revenue during our quarterly filings. As you can see, this quarter, we did see meaningful revenue and dispensed applicator units. And as our distributors are ordering more frequently and in smaller quantities, those numbers should mirror each other much closer going forward, and we hope to continue to see the momentum that we saw the end of last quarter continue to rise in this quarter as well.
Operator
Gregory Renza, RBC Capital Markets.
Anish Nikhanj
It's Anish, on for Greg. Congrats on the progress this quarter and thanks for taking our questions. Just a couple from us. First, how are you thinking about the conversion time between accounts receivable and top line revenue for YCANTH? How has that been trending and likely to trend through the rest of the year? And second, as we think of accessibility, you previously mentioned expansion into pharmacy benefit. Can you just help us think about how this will improve access for YCANTH versus previous periods?
Jayson Rieger
So yes, so in terms of the accounts receivable, it's interesting you noticed that. So we do offer 60-day payment terms to our distributors. As the product is pulling through and then they're passing it through, as we've normalized the inventory levels, we expect that to semi-stabilize and sort of be continue to generate cash going forward. And because we're getting smaller orders and more frequent orders, that should stabilize in terms of conversion to cash from a receivable. In terms of the pharmacy benefit, I would say the mix of our business continues to grow both on the pharmacy distribution side as well as the medical benefit, which is the buy and bill approach. We see growth in both sides of that business. And particularly on the pharmacy side, we've added a number of independent pharmacies, which has proven to be a convenient mechanism for some clinicians to order the product, have it right bagged back right to their office and treat their patients, in addition to those who prefer to do the buy and bill model and have it on hand that same day. So we've seen it both, and our commercial team has done an excellent job of expanding our benefit coverage. So I would say that we have robust now coverage growing in both Medicaid and commercial across both of the pharmacy and the medical benefit.
Operator
Serge Belanger, Needham & Company.
Serge Belanger
A couple of questions. First on patient access, just a follow- up on the prior question. When you're looking at the overall TAM for molluscum, how should we look at the split between commercial and Medicaid coverage for the indication?
Jayson Rieger
So we would say that in the pediatrician world, there's a large percentage of pediatric patients that are covered under the Medicaid. There's going to be a lot of dependency on state as well. And then on the Derm side, there's a higher percentage of commercial pay, but there are obviously commercial and Medicaid on both sides. But we're seeing growth on both sides of that across states where we have good robust coverage.
Serge Belanger
Got it. And then maybe a quick one for John. Just where currently are gross-to- net and where do you think they'll get to once we get to kind of a more steady state level?
John Kirby
So Serge, I don't think we've spoken directly to the gross-to-net split. But if you look at the number of applicator units and that as it's tracking to aligning with the sales demand that we've reported, you could do the back of the envelope math to get to the rough percentage. Serge Belanger Got it. Thanks.
Operator
Kemp Dolliver, Brookline Capital Markets.
Kemp Dolliver
Couple of questions. What are you seeing in terms of reordering and then also number of applicators per patient?
Jayson Rieger
So the reordering actually is a very interesting aspect of the business that we're tracking very closely. And historically, I would say a larger percentage of the reorder -- there was the growth in the business or stabilization of the business was a mix of loss of old -- loss of accounts that were not reordering and sort of bringing up new customers. In this last quarter, we're starting to see a solid growth and retention of customers that have been here and ordered previously and continuing to reorder. And that's a fundamental part of our business model, which means likely that the clinicians are having a positive experience, both in acquisition of the product and treatment of their patients and using it as a going forward part of their practice for the treatment of patients with molluscum.
Kemp Dolliver
And any comments on the applicators per patient?
Jayson Rieger
So we're not giving you a specific guidance on that. In our clinical study, we allowed for up to 4 applicators -- 4 treatment cycles to be used. I would say clinically as we saw originally, we're probably closer to the 2 to 3 treatment cycles, where clinicians are feeling their patients are achieving the medical benefit that they are desiring.
Kemp Dolliver
Great. Thank you. And what are trends you're seeing in sales force turnover? I mean, you are starting to rebuild the sales force, but have you seen turnover level off? Are you seeing less involuntary turnover, et cetera?
Jayson Rieger
I would say we're seeing in this industry there tends to be some turnover. We're seeing some very solid retention of our core performers and quite a bit of interest as we post some openings for both expanding in existing territories where we have demand or territories where new demand is growing. So we're excited about our team and maintain we're trying to maintain a relatively stable number to where we were after our reduction in force last year and may incrementally grow as the areas we're trying to target grow and or there's additional demand. So that's been a very, very positive impact on that front.
Operator
And this does conclude the question-and-answer portion of the call. I would now like to turn it back to Jayson Rieger for any additional or closing remarks.
Jayson Rieger
Thank you, operator. I'd just like to thank everyone for joining the call this evening. We look forward to providing updates on our progress throughout 2025. Have a nice evening.
Operator
This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time and have a wonderful afternoon.
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Costco goes bananas to protect members from tariffs
As a general rule, it's a good idea for retailers to offer outstanding customer service. But Costco takes that concept a step further than most. Costco is known not only for its extremely competitive prices, but also for one of the most flexible return policies in all of retail. Buy something you don't like or whose quality isn't up to par, and with very few exceptions, you can bring it back for a full refund at any time. Don't miss the move: Subscribe to TheStreet's free daily newsletter Costco does other things to offer great value to members. It keeps a close eye on its inventory, while aiming to introduce new products from which customers can benefit. Related: Costco plans new checkout option members should love And you can bet that Costco keeps tabs on prices, too. The warehouse club giant prides itself on offering unbeatable deals. Those extend to everything from groceries to household essentials to electronics. Even though the tariff situation is still evolving, it has retailers spooked across the board. Many retailers rely on foreign trade partners to source goods. And they know that if tariffs drive the cost of goods upward, they're going to have to pass at least some of that increase onto consumers. Related: Costco quietly drops popular product, saddens fans Unfortunately, consumers can't afford to be paying more at the register at a time when inflation is still a problem. So it's a tough situation overall. Recently, Walmart CEO Doug McMillon acknowledged that the company might have to raise prices in response to tariffs. Even though he noted that Walmart would do its best to avoid tariff-related increases, he owned up to the fact that the company probably would not be able to absorb all of the extra costs on its own. If a giant like Walmart is sounding tariff warnings, you can bet that smaller retailers will be looking at raising prices, too. They may simply have no choice. While many retailers are sounding alarms on tariffs, Costco is doing the opposite. During the company's most recent earnings call, the Costco leadership team reassured investors that it had the tariff situation under control. "We're remaining agile as a situation with tariffs evolves," CEO Ron Vachris said. "As an example of this, during the third quarter, we rerouted many goods sourced from countries with large tariff exposure to our non-U.S. markets." Related: Costco brings back food court favorite, but members aren't happy In addition to moving goods strategically, Costco also intentionally held prices steady on key grocery items, even if that meant eating into profits. During that same last earnings call, CFO Gary Millerchip called out two such items – pineapples and bananas. "We felt it was important to really eliminate the impact there for the member," Millerchip explained. "We essentially held the price on those to make sure that we're protecting the member." In addition to keeping prices steady on key produce items, Costco also lowered prices on essential items like butter, eggs, and olive oil, Millerchip said. More Retail: Walmart CEO sounds alarm on a big problem for customersTarget makes a change that might scare Walmart, CostcoTop investor takes firm stance on troubled retail brandWalmart and Costco making major change affecting all customers To be fair, Costco isn't just holding and lowering prices out of the goodness of its heart. The company relies on membership fees for a huge chunk of its revenue. So Costco is invested in making members happy by keeping prices as stable as possible. But regardless of the company's motives for keeping prices low, Costco members still benefit. And at a time when so many retailers may be looking at price increases, Costco's commitment to shielding members from tariffs can't be overlooked. Maurie Backman owns shares of Costco. Related: Walmart makes surprise cuts as it looks at tariff price hikes The Arena Media Brands, LLC THESTREET is a registered trademark of TheStreet, Inc.