'It's a Heist': Real Federal Auditors Are Horrified by DOGE

WIRED

18-03-2025

Mar 18, 2025 4:04 PM WIRED talked to actual federal auditors about how government auditing works—and how DOGE is doing the opposite. Photograph:Elon Musk's so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has spent the first six weeks of the new Trump administration turning the federal government upside down. It's moved from agency to agency, accessing sensitive data and payment systems, all on a supposed crusade to audit the government and stop fraud, waste, and abuse. DOGE has posted some of its 'findings' on its website, many of which have been revealed to be errors.
But two federal auditors with years of experience, who have both worked on financial and technical audits for the government, say that DOGE's actions are the furthest thing from what an actual audit looks like. Both asked to speak on the condition of anonymity because they weren't permitted to speak to the press.
'Honestly, comparing real auditing to what DOGE is doing, there's no comparison,' says one of the auditors who spoke to WIRED. 'None of them are auditors.'
In September, in a speech during the presidential campaign, then candidate Donald Trump said that he would create a government efficiency task force, headed by Musk, which would do a 'complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government.' Musk initially said that he wanted to cut $2 trillion from the federal budget, more than the entire 2023 discretionary budget of $1.7 trillion. Musk has since tempered his ambitions, saying he'd aim to cut $1 trillion in government spending. Still, he has alleged that much of this money can be cut by identifying waste, fraud, and abuse, and has continued to claim DOGE's cuts of agency staff and resources are all part of an audit.
While there are certainly instances of government money siphoned off to fraud—a Government Accountability Office (GAO) study published in 2024 estimated that the government loses between $233 billion and $521 billion to fraud each year—even recovering all that spending wouldn't amount to the $1 trillion Musk hopes to cut from the budget.
The auditors who spoke to WIRED allege that not only is Musk's claim not true, but that DOGE appears to have completely eschewed the existing processes for actually rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse.
'An audit that follows Generally Accepted Government Auditing Standards (GAGAS), also known as a Yellow Book audit, is conducted in accordance with the standards issued by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO),' says the first auditor. Audits can focus on the finances, compliance, or performance of an agency. 'That is the gold standard for how you audit the government.'
There are generally five phases of a GAGAS audit, the auditors tell WIRED: planning, evidence gathering, evaluation, reporting, and follow up. Auditors work to define the scope of an audit, identify all the applicable laws and standards, and come up with an audit plan. Next, auditors conduct interviews with staff, review financial records, and comb through data, reports, and transactions, documenting all the way. From there, auditors will assess that information against policies or procedures to figure out if there's been some kind of alleged waste, fraud, or abuse and issue a report detailing their findings and offering recommendations. Often, those reports are made available to the public. After an audit, the auditors can follow up with the agency to ensure changes are being made.
There are also very technical definitions for what constitutes waste, fraud, or abuse. Waste could mean that there are inefficiencies in a program that might lead to purchasing more of something that goes unused, or paying more for a service than is necessary. Fraud involves intentional deception—for instance, bribery or falsifying business records. Abuse means doing things that aren't necessarily illegal, but that are unethical. This could look like nepotism or favoritism in hiring, or spending excessively on travel.
In a recent interview with podcaster Joe Rogan, Musk said he believed that the government was 'one big pyramid scheme,' and alleged that 'entitlements fraud' was a 'gigantic magnetic force to pull people in from all around the world and keep them here.'
The two auditors told WIRED that going through the technological and financial minutiae of even just a single project or part of an agency can take anywhere from six to 18 months.
'You can't coherently audit something like the whole Social Security system in a week or two,' says the second auditor. It's exactly this rush to crack systems open without full understanding, the auditors say, that has led to Elon Musk's false claims that 150-year-olds were receiving Social Security benefits. 'It could be that DOGE didn't de-dupe the data.'
'In no uncertain terms is this an audit,' claims the second auditor. 'It's a heist, stealing a vast amount of government data.'
Federal workers who have spoken WIRED say they are worried their own data could be used to surveil and target them for firings based on their identities or political views. There are also concerns that DOGE could access contracts and procurement data that contain sensitive information companies provide in order to work with the federal government. DOGE has also deployed an AI chatbot within the General Services Administration (GSA), and appears to want to expand the use of such tools, bolstered by access to government data. New court documents also indicate that Marko Elez, the former DOGE representative at Treasury, shared a spreadsheet with personally identifying information outside the agency.
And without time spent for auditors to understand a new data system—like interviewing agency staff or learning the coding language—the first auditor believes it's likely the DOGE team is flying blind. 'When they collect a data set, they don't get it with any sort of description, I imagine,' they say. 'There are no terms of use for any government systems…There's no supporting testimony from data system owners, from data system experts. They don't even know the language and the database systems that they're working in. That's why they keep messing up.'
The auditors described a lengthy vetting process that allowed them to get the permissions necessary to dive into an agency's data and systems. In addition to going through the initial vetting process, the auditors say that they are required to engage in continuing education.
'None of them have any auditing background, none have any certifications, none have any clearances,' says the first auditor.
Federal workers who have spoken to WIRED expressed concern that DOGE's operatives appear to have bypassed the normal security clearance protocols in order to access sensitive systems. WIRED found that many of DOGE's youngest members, all of whom were 25 or younger, have very limited work experience, and none in the government. One, Edward Coristine, who goes by 'Big Balls' online, appears to be a 19-year-old high school graduate. Despite this, they were given high level access at places like the GSA, Social Security Administration, and the Treasury. Others, like those at the Federal Aviation Administration, come directly from Musk's own companies, and were not fully vetted by their start dates.
The auditors also noted that even canceling contracts, as DOGE has done, can add, rather than reduce costs in the long run. For instance, often the government negotiates deals on large purchases where it gets discounts for bulk purchases. Canceling a contract likely not only means the government needs to pay some kind of fee to compensate for the contract cancellation—maybe 10 to 15 percent of the contract amount—but if some or part of that purchase needs to be reinstated later, that initial bulk discount will likely be gone, making it more expensive overall. This was the case with many of the software licenses that DOGE said it wanted to cut.
Since sweeping through the government, DOGE has canceled thousands of government contracts, including 10,000 specifically for humanitarian aid. According to reporting from the Associated Press, 40 percent of those canceled contracts through late February will likely not save the government any money.
'They'll end up costing more in some way, whether it's time, inconvenience, or money,' says the second auditor.
But the auditors say that there are ways DOGE could get it right. 'If DOGE wanted to be the good guys, they could,' says the first auditor. 'I'd start by looking at existing Inspector General recommendations.' On the website for the Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services, for instance, there are more than 1,200 recommendations that have yet to be implemented that could potentially save the government hundreds of millions of dollars.
In an interview on FOX Business with Larry Kudlow, when asked about how his team was identifying what to go after in the government, Musk replied, 'We look at the president's executive orders, and we also just follow the money.'
The auditors say they aren't necessarily against bringing in people from outside the government to help streamline government processes—something that the government was already doing before Donald Trump was sworn in for his second term. For instance, 18F, the digital services agency within the GSA's Technology Transformation Services (TTS), was explicitly designed to serve as an in-house consultancy that would allow federal agencies to leverage private sector expertise. As part of DOGE's sweep of the government, however, it has gutted the group, putting a pause of several ongoing projects to make government services more efficient for users.
And it's these actions, the second auditor says, that best show that DOGE's intentions may not be geared towards 'efficiency' at all. 'It's a con,' they allege.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.