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Can this game maker figure out Trump's China tariffs before they sink him?

Can this game maker figure out Trump's China tariffs before they sink him?

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Dan Linden developed a new table game and worked with suppliers in China to bring it to life. Now, he's unsure just how much tariffs will hit his bottom line.
June 29, 2025, 8:03 AM EDT
By Rob Wile
Dan Linden likes games. He likes trying to figure out the answers. But one tricky puzzle has him stumped: What is the actual percentage he now owes for tariffs on toys and games imported from China?
Linden, a 38-year-old Seattle resident, told NBC News he still doesn't know how much he'll have to pay to import the game he created and has staked his financial future on.
'I'm not a millionaire or anything,' Linden said. 'These $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 tariff hits are going to take a significant chunk out of my own pocket.'
As it turns out, the entire toy industry is confronting the same problem. A representative for The Toy Association, the industry's chief trade and lobbying group, told NBC News it could not comment on the current tariff level because it was 'gathering new data about tariff impact on toy companies.'
Linden estimates he's invested some $25,000 from his own savings to develop the game, Offshoots, a tabletop contest to see who can build out a 'tree' using wood-based, branchlike pieces without toppling the trunk. Think Jenga meets K'nex.
He said he has plenty of orders lined up — and is racing to get more shipped across the sea before President Donald Trump changes his mind and increases the duty level.
Business highlights
After two years and two dozen iterations, Linden developed Offshoots into what he felt was a potential smash. He said it received rave reviews at a game expo in March and has won praise from other industry pros.
Thanks to contacts made through his full-time job at a larger toy developer, Linden was able to work closely with Chinese manufacturers to produce an initial prototype of the game that worked out to a $29.99 retail price.
Toy fair contacts said if he could get that down to $24.99 per game, he had a 'slam dunk,' Linden said.
His first official sale came last July. Since then, he's sold about 2,200 — and has placed an order for another 2,500 that he hopes will not be fully subject to Trump's import duties.
But the price point is hanging in the balance. Already, it's gone back up to $29.99 to cushion the potential tariff blow.
'My game is getting a really good response by the public so I have to stay the course and try to grow it,' he wrote in an email. 'However I feel like I am continuing to invest significant money and all it would take is another tariff increase to tank the whole thing.'
Tariff impact
Toys and games had previously been exempt from tariffs altogether. In his most recent social media post on the subject, Trump said duties on Chinese-made goods would be as high as 55%.
In theory, that calculation incorporates the 30% in new tariffs Trump has imposed in his second term: 20% for fentanyl-related issues, plus the president's new 10% baseline. That 30% is added to the existing average tariff level of 25% on Chinese goods that was in place when Trump took office.
But if toys and games faced zero tariffs before, what do they face now?
Linden said he remains in the dark — but that the final answer could clobber his income from the game. Before Trump announced his China tariffs, Linden was seeing a 23% profit margin on Offshoots games sold through a distributor, and about 50% when they were sold directly to a retail shop.
With 30% tariffs, that fell to 6% profit through the distributor and 39% through the retail shop.
If he ends up having to pay a 55% duty, he said, he will have to rethink his entire distribution strategy.
Looking ahead
Linden's concerns ultimately go beyond getting his game off the ground. The company where he works his day job is also facing headwinds from the tariffs. Should something happen to it or his role there, Linden fears he won't be able to successfully transition into another field in what has been a gradually weakening labor market.
'I don't have the work experience to change careers very easily, so I've had a lot of fear over what happens if these tariffs put the toy company out of business,' he said. 'And then if they put the new game out of business, I don't have a lot of marketable skills outside of the toy industry, and I can't imagine people are going to be hiring like crazy anytime soon.'
Linden said he has no objection to making the game in the United States and has even begun taking orders for a version that is American-made — though at a $5 higher price point.
Linden said matching Chinese quality is significantly more expensive and more logistically complicated. He said he must string together disparate parts of the manufacturing process in the U.S. that, in China, tend to be under the same roof, or at least closely coordinated.
In Linden's experience, consumers who like to talk about 'buying American' tend to ultimately choose the option that provides the most bang for their buck, wherever it happens to be made.
Linden said a recent visit to another specialty toy fair showed his concerns about the state of the overall industry are widespread.
'It felt kind of spooky,' he said in a follow-up email. 'I think everyone in the business is aware of impending price increases, but almost no one was willing to talk about it. This uncertainty has a lot of people stuck in limbo waiting to read what the morning news will bring.'
Linden said he hopes that by the end of the summer, 'something will change,' or at least there will be clarity about the final tariff number.
Thoughts about the current administration
Linden said he did not support Trump in the presidential election for numerous reasons, and was not surprised that the president has made tariffs the primary tool of his economic policymaking, given his campaign rhetoric.
Still, he said he has been taken aback by the toll Trump has allowed the process to take on the business community.
'He said he was going to do all this,' Linden said. 'I knew what he was going to do. I guess he kept that promise at the expense of the businesses I'm involved in.'
Rob Wile
Rob Wile is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist covering breaking business stories for NBCNews.com.

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CHRIS MURPHY: But the Constitution actually — KRISTEN WELKER: — she's on the right track, Senator, do you think she's on the right track by suggesting he should be impeached over not going to Congress first? SEN. CHRIS MURPHY: Well, again, that's a decision the House makes. But I will say, I mean, if you compare his conduct in this administration to the conduct that he got impeached for in his, in the first administration, his conduct in this administration is much worse, much more lawless and much more unconstitutional. KRISTEN WELKER: I have to ask you about the big news here in New York. Zohran Mamdani's victory, his big win in the Democratic primary for New York mayor. I'm going to speak to Assemblyman Mamdani in just a few moments from now. What lessons do you think Democrats should take from his win? SEN. CHRIS MURPHY: Well, I think it was a really important win. And I hope Democrats do take some lessons from it. He was laser-like focused on the issue of costs. He was laser-like focused on the issue of transferring power from people who have way too much of it, like the big real estate companies that jack up everybody's rents in New York, and putting that power in the hands of regular citizens. He was authentic, right? I mean, yeah, he's got some views that are a little bit out of the conventional mainstream. But you know what? The traditional political pundits have no idea what's actually mainstream in this country. And when you're talking about costs, when you're talking about de-rigging the economy every single day, when you're presenting big, bold ideas on how to do that, you're going to do pretty well in elections. And so Democrats should learn from his victory. KRISTEN WELKER: Leaders Schumer and Jeffries have not endorsed Mr. Mamdani yet. Do you think they should? SEN. CHRIS MURPHY: Well, I mean, I guess I don't give recommendations to my colleagues. I'm going to support him. I'm going to support him. And I think the Democratic Party could — would be well served by learning from his focus on lowering costs. That was what got him this nomination win. KRISTEN WELKER: All right. Senator Murphy, thank you so much for joining us on a jam-packed weekend. We really appreciate it. SEN. CHRIS MURPHY: Thank you. KRISTEN WELKER: And when we come back, as we just said, a massive shake-up in the New York City mayor's race with Zohran Mamdani's upset win in the Democratic primary. He joins me right here live, next. KRISTEN WELKER: Welcome back. A stunning political upset this week in the race to lead America's biggest city. 33-year-old Democratic Socialist and New York State Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani is poised to win the Democratic primary for New York City, beating out former Governor Andrew Cuomo. He's now set to head to the general election, but his likely primary win is already sending shock waves through the Democratic Party. And joining me now is Zohran Mamdani. Mr. Mamdani, welcome to Meet the Press. ZOHRAN MAMDANI: Thank you so much. It's such a pleasure to be here. KRISTEN WELKER: Thank you for being here. We really appreciate it. There is so much to discuss. We have to start with your remarkable victory in the primary for mayor. You're 33 years old, as I just said. You started out at close to 0% in the polls, Mr. Mamdani. You came back to topple one of the biggest names in New York politics, Andrew Cuomo. What was the secret to your success? Do you think it was your message? Do you think that voters were voting against Andrew Cuomo? A little bit of both? How do you see it? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I think, ultimately, it was the focus on the fact that we live in the most expensive city in the United States of America. It's also the wealthiest city in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, and yet, one in four New Yorkers are living in poverty, and the rest are seemingly trapped in a state of anxiety. And what we've seen is that this is a city that needs to be affordable for the people who build it every day. Our focus was on exactly that, and by keeping that focus on an economic agenda, we showed New Yorkers that this could be more than just a museum of what once was. It could be a living, breathing testament to possibility. KRISTEN WELKER: Well, let me ask you about what I was just discussing with Senator Chris Murphy, the fact that you have Leader Schumer, Leader Hakeem Jeffries, who wrote very nice things about your victory, said you'd run a very strong campaign, have not endorsed you. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed you. Do you think the Democratic establishment is afraid of you? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I think that people are catching up to this election. This is an election that went against so much of the analysis that had been told about our party and where we needed to head to. And, ultimately, what we're showing is that by putting working people first, by returning to the roots of the Democratic Party, we actually have a path out of this moment where we're facing authoritarianism in Washington, D.C. KRISTEN WELKER: Well, let's talk about your policies, your vision for this city. Here are some of the things you've proposed: free buses, rent-stabilized housing, a $30 minimum wage, creation of city-owned grocery stores. It's a very long list of proposals, so let me ask you, if you were to be elected the next mayor of New York, what would your day-one priority be? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: The first thing is living up to these promises that I have made because I've made them because I intend to keep them. And in a city of about 8.5 million people, close to 2.5 million New Yorkers live in rent-stabilized housing. The mayor, through a board called the Rent Guidelines Board, sets whether or not those rents increase or stay the same. The previous mayoral administration froze the rent three times. This one, led by Mayor Adams, increased it by 9%. So the first thing that I would do is start to constitute a board that votes in a reflection of reality. And the reality I'm speaking of is that the median household income of those tenants is $60,000 a year. The landlords of those units have seen their profits increase by 12%. It's time for relief for working-class New Yorkers. KRISTEN WELKER: Okay, well, of course the big question is how are you going to pay for it? You've proposed increasing taxes on wealthier New Yorkers. The Democratic governor, though, of your state, Kathy Hochul, says she's not going to support increasing taxes in order to get it across the finish line. I want to let you take a listen to a little bit of what she had to say recently and respond on the other side. Here she is. [BEGIN TAPE] KATHY HOCHUL: I'm not raising taxes on people at a time when affordability is the big issue. I'm actually cutting middle-class taxes. QUESTION: Give it on the wealthy. KATHY HOCHUL: I don't want to lose any more people to go to Palm Beach. We've lost enough. [END TAPE] KRISTEN WELKER: How are you going to raise taxes if you can't get Democrats to support it? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: So I think what we've shown over the last eight months is our ability to take that, which is considered a nonstarter, and make it seem inevitable. We've shown that with this campaign. And, ultimately, we're seeing that our vision to tax the top 1% of New Yorkers, these are New Yorkers that make a million a year or more. And our proposal is to just tax them by 2% additional, is something that has broad support, and we'll continue to increase that support over the next few months in New York. KRISTEN WELKER: So you think you're going to be able to twist Governor Hochul's arm and get her to support raising taxes? I mean, what about the fact that she says she's concerned New Yorkers might leave, they might go to Florida? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I think it's time for a leadership that doesn't twist arms but rather builds partnership. And I'm looking forward to having that with the governor. Because ultimately, my policies, my vision, it's driven by an assessment of what's actually Fiscal Policy Institute found that the top 1% of New Yorkers leave at one-fourth the rate of other income groups. And when they do leave, it's actually to other states considered high-tax: New Jersey, California. So it's not fiscal policy. It's quality of life. And, ultimately, the reason I want to increase these taxes on the top 1%, the most profitable corporations, is to increase quality of life for everyone, including those who are going to be taxed. KRISTEN WELKER: Here's how The Washington Post editorial board wrote about your proposal. They say, "A massive minimum wage would depress low-skilled employment. His rent freeze would reduce the housing supply and decrease its quality. Cutting bus fares would leave a transit funding hole, that unless somehow filled would erode service. Meanwhile, the grocery business operates on thin margins, and his plans for city-run stores would probably lead to fewer options, poor service and shortages." Mr. Mamdani, are your proposals going to hurt the very people you're trying to help? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: Not at all. There have been many an editorial board who have had concerns. And what we've shown is that more than 400,000 New Yorkers are excited about this vision. And the reason they're excited about it is it is one that is in line with the scale of the crisis in the city. I mean, we are talking about our tax base growing smaller and smaller each day, with New Yorkers leaving to New Jersey, to Pennsylvania, to Connecticut. If we do not meet this moment, we will lose this city. And our proposals are ones that are thought out. They are ones that are also clearly going to be funded by these revenue streams. I'll give you an example. When we talk about grocery stores, I've put forward a proposal for a pilot of one grocery store in each borough. These are five grocery stores that would cost $60 million in a city budget of more than $113 billion. And, ultimately, the reason that we are so excited by them is we've seen that they've worked in Kansas. We've seen that when a feasibility study was done in Chicago, it was shown to be something that was not only feasible but pressing and urgent in an urban setting. And, finally, it costs less than half of what the city's already set to spend on subsidizing corporate supermarkets without any guarantee of cheaper prices, any guarantee of collective bargaining agreements or that they accept SNAP or WIC. KRISTEN WELKER: Well, you take me to my next question about grocery stores. Some executives, including one of the top grocery store's owner, a billionaire, is threatening to shut down his supermarket in the city. John Catsimatidis, who runs Gristedes grocery chain, you're probably very familiar with him. He said this on Election Day, "If the City of New York is going socialist I will definitely close or sell or move or franchise the Gristedes locations." In order to run New York City suddenly as mayor, do you not need the support of a billionaire businessman like John Catsimatidis? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I don't know if I need his support specifically. But I want to make clear that my vision for this city is a vision for every single New Yorker, including business leaders across the city. And the reason I say that is that my proposals, even the ones to increase the top corporate tax rate of New York to match that of New Jersey, are ones that would also benefit those business leaders. Because when I have conversations with them what I also hear is the — just how expensive this city is is preventing them from attracting and retaining the talent they need to grow their business. And, ultimately, I'm looking forward to having those meetings, having those sitdowns to make clear why this vision would benefit all. KRISTEN WELKER: We went on your website and realized there's a policy proposal that says your plan, and I'm going to quote it for folks, is, "To shift the tax burden from overtaxed homeowners in the outer boroughs to more expensive homes in richer and whiter neighborhoods." Explain why you are bringing race into your tax proposal. ZOHRAN MAMDANI: That is just a description of what we see right now. It's not driven by race. It's more of an assessment of what neighborhoods are being undertaxed versus overtaxed. We've seen time and again that this is a property tax system that is inequitable. It's one that actually Eric Adams ran on saying that he would change in the first 100 days. He's since sought to defend it and lost at every juncture in court. KRISTEN WELKER: And I understand you're saying, "We're simply describing the types of neighborhoods that would see these increase in taxes." And yet, by invoking race, do you run the risk of potentially alienating key constituents? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I think I'm just naming things as they are. And, ultimately, my — the thing that motivates me in this is to create a system of fairness. It is not to work backwards from a racial assessment of neighborhoods or our city. Rather, it's to ensure that we actually have an equal playing field. And right now what we see with the property tax system is one that is overtaxing a number of New Yorkers and undertaxing others and an inability of political will to resolve that. KRISTEN WELKER: So no plans to change that language on your website? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: The focus here is to actually ensure a fair property tax system. And the use of that language is just an assessment of the neighborhood. KRISTEN WELKER: All right. You are a self-described democratic socialist. Do you think that billionaires have a right to exist? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I don't think that we should have billionaires because, frankly, it is so much money in a moment of such inequality. And. ultimately, what we need more of is equality across our city and across our state and across our country. And I look forward to work with everyone, including billionaires, to make a city that is fairer for all of them. KRISTEN WELKER: Well, let me ask you about what Donald Trump, the president of the United States, has had to say. He's had a lot to say about your campaign. He called you a communist. Because he's the president, I want to give you a chance to respond directly to him. How do you respond? Are you a communist? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: No, I am not. And I have already had to start to get used to the fact that the president will talk about how I look, how I sound, where I'm from, who I am, ultimately, because he wants to distract from what I'm fighting for. And I'm fighting for the very working people that he ran a campaign to empower, that he has since then betrayed. And when we talk about my politics, I call myself a democrat socialist in many ways inspired by the words of Dr. King from decades ago who said, "Call it democracy or call it democratic socialism. There has to be a better distribution of wealth for all of God's children in this country." And as income inequality has declined nationwide, it has increased in New York City. And, ultimately, what we need is a city where every single person can thrive. KRISTEN WELKER: All right, stay right there. We are going to take a quick break. More of our exclusive conversation with Zohran Mamdani when we come right back. Stay with us. KRISTEN WELKER: We are back here live in New York with state assemblyman and the presumptive Democratic nominee for mayor of New York, Zohran Mamdani. Thank you so much for sticking around for more questions. Let's talk about immigration, deportation. Are you committed to keeping New York as a sanctuary city? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: Absolutely. Because ultimately we've seen that this is a policy that has kept New Yorkers safe for decades. It's a policy that had previously been defended by Democrats and Republicans alike, until the fearmongering of this current mayor. And it's a policy that we've seen ensures that New Yorkers can get out of the shadows and into the full life of the city that they belong to. And it's one that I'll be proud to stand up for. KRISTEN WELKER: Well, you know the border czar, Tom Homan, has said that he is planning to deploy ICE agents to New York, work-site enforcement, to essentially increase and enhance the number of ICE agents here. If that happens on your watch how do you plan to handle it? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: We have to stand up and fight back. And we haven't seen that from our current mayor, who has instead been working with the Trump administration to assist in their goal of building the single largest deportation force in American history. I mean, we saw ICE agents arrest a migrant at Federal Plaza, and then we saw NYPD officers arresting a pastor who was peacefully observing that arrest. Those days are going to come to an end when I'm the mayor. The NYPD's job is to create public safety in the city, not to assist ICE agents in their mission to attack the very fabric of this city. KRISTEN WELKER: I want to talk about the historic nature of your candidacy. If you were to win, you would become the first Muslim mayor of New York City. Along the way, throughout the course of this primary campaign you have received death threats. You've received all sorts of attacks online. Congressman Andy Ogles called for you to be deported, for example, because you were born in Uganda. He also issued an Islamophobic epithet, which I am not going to repeat here. But what type of toll has this taken on you personally and on your family? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: It's been difficult. It's been difficult to have to deal with the regular and repeated smears and slander upon my name and on the very basis of my faith. And I think what's so sad is that this is but a glimpse into what life is like for many Muslim New Yorkers and many New Yorkers of different faiths who are constantly being told that they don't belong in this city and in this country that they love. And ultimately what continues to give me hope is that these moments are but small examples, something that goes against what so many New Yorkers actually feel. Because what we know is that this is a city for all of us. And what Tuesday night showed is that what New Yorkers want more than anything is a vision that binds us all together. KRISTEN WELKER: I want to ask you about an issue that has divided some New Yorkers in recent weeks. You were recently asked about the term "globalize the intifada," if it makes you uncomfortable. In that moment you did not condemn the phrase. Now, just so folks understand, it's a phrase that many people hear as a call to violence against Jews. There's been a lot of attention on this issue, so I want to give you an opportunity to respond here and now. Do you condemn that phrase "globalize the intifada?" ZOHRAN MAMDANI: That's not language that I use. The language that I use and the language that I will continue to use to lead this city is that which speaks clearly to my intent, which is an intent grounded in a belief in universal human rights. And ultimately, that's what is the foundation of so much of my politics, the belief that freedom and justice and safety are things that, to have meaning, have to be applied to all people, and that includes Israelis and Palestinians as well. KRISTEN WELKER: But do you actually condemn it? I think that's the question and the outstanding issue that a number of people, both of the Jewish faith and beyond, have. Do you condemn that phrase, "globalize the intifada," which a lot of people hear as a call to violence against Jews? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I've heard from many Jewish New Yorkers who have shared their concerns with me, especially in light of the horrific attacks that we saw in Washington, D.C. and in Boulder, Colorado about this moment of antisemitism in our country and in our city. And I've heard those fears and I've had those conversations. And ultimately, they are part and parcel of why, in my campaign, I've put forward a commitment to increase funding for anti-hate crime programming by 800%. I don't believe that the role of the mayor is to police speech in the manner, especially of that of Donald Trump, who has put one New Yorker in jail, who's just returned to his family, Mahmoud Khalil, for that very supposed crime of speech. Ultimately, what I think I need to show is the ability to not only talk about something but to tackle it and to make clear that there's no room for antisemitism in this city. And we have to root out that bigotry, and ultimately we do that through the actions. And that is the mayor I will be, one that protects Jewish New Yorkers and lives up to that commitment through the work that I do. KRISTEN WELKER: But very quickly for the people who care about the language and who feel really concerned by that phrase, why not just condemn it? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: My concern is to start to walk down the line of language and making clear what language I believe is permissible or impermissible takes me into a place similar to that of the president, who is looking to do those very kinds of things, putting people in jail for writing an oped. Putting them in jail for protesting. Ultimately, it's not language that I use. It's language I understand there are concerns about. And what I will do is showcase my vision for this city through my words and my actions. KRISTEN WELKER: Let me ask you broadly. Your surprise victory has some progressive Democrats saying, "Boy, you may have determined the model for the Democratic Party nationally." In this moment do you think your campaign represents the playbook for how to win in the Trump era for Democrats? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I think it showcases a new approach to politics in our city. And it's for others to decide across our country. Ultimately, what we wanted to do from the very beginning of this race was change our political instinct from lecturing to listening. And after the presidential election where we saw New York be the state in the nation with the largest swing towards Donald Trump, 11.5 points, and we saw that swing took place far from the caricatures of Trump voters, I went to those hearts of immigration New York City that were the fulcrum of those swings: Hillside Avenue in Queens, Fordham Road in the Bronx. And I asked Democrats, "Who did you vote for and why?" And I heard from them again and again, "I voted for Donald Trump because I could afford things that are now out of my reach today." And ultimately, when I asked them what would it take to bring you back to the Democratic Party, they said 'a relentless focus on an economic agenda.' And that's the campaign that we built. KRISTEN WELKER: Do you think that your apparent victory is a sign that there is an appetite for young progressives like a Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to run for president in 2028? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: It's an honor to be endorsed by Congressman Ocasio-Cortez, and to have been represented by her for so many years. Because she has showcased so much of what we're trying to do in this campaign. The ability to not only stand up and fight, but also to win. And ultimately what people want to see is someone who doesn't just believe in something, but can deliver on those things. And now especially more than ever we need to be a party that's not just against Donald Trump, but also for something. And our campaign was for working people, for bringing dignity back into those lives. And that's what the congresswoman has showed time and again. KRISTEN WELKER: I can't let you go without doing a little bit of local politics. ZOHRAN MAMDANI: Please. KRISTEN WELKER: So Mayor Eric Adams already in the general election as an independent candidate. We're waiting to see if Andrew Cuomo officially throws his hat into the ring. Do you think you can win if the two of them are in the race? Can you beat both of them? ZOHRAN MAMDANI: Absolutely. We can beat anyone that's in this race because what we've shown is that this is a campaign that has the support of more than 400,000 New Yorkers. In the first rounds of Tuesday night we got more votes than Eric Adams did by the last round of 2021. And ultimately, it's a referendum and how he made this city so unaffordable. For too long, politicians have pretended to simply be bystanders to a cost of living crisis. They've actually exacerbated it. And our vision is one that will respond to it and make this a city affordable for every New Yorker. KRISTEN WELKER: All right, Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani, thank you so much for the conversation. Really appreciate it. Please stay safe on the campaign trail. ZOHRAN MAMDANI: Thank you so much for having me. KRISTEN WELKER: Welcome back. 10 years ago this week America marked a milestone. The Supreme Court's landmark decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide. Michael DeLeone and Gregory Bourke were married in 2004 in Canada, but their union was not recognized in their home state of Kentucky. They became plaintiffs in the case and just two days after the ruling, they joined Meet the Press to reflect on their newly recognized rights. [BEGIN TAPE] CHUCK TODD: Gregory and Michael, you have two kids. MICHAEL DELEONE: Yes. CHUCK TODD: You now get to tell your kids that your marriage is legal wherever you move, wherever you live. How important is that, Michael? MICHAEL DELEONE: It's very important, especially since in the state of Kentucky, I am their only parent right now. You know — CHUCK TODD: Dave, Kentucky does not recognize you as their parent? GREGORY BOURKE: Because they don't recognize our marriage, they won't allow us to have a second-parent adoption of our children. So we don't have that option. MICHAEL DELEONE: So, I hope we are using past tense. GREGORY BOURKE: That's true. MICHAEL DELEONE: You know, that's, that's an important outcome of this, is for us to, now that we're recognized as a marriage couple, to be able to put both names on their birth certificates. And they've always seen us, as both of us being their parents, and so this, this is the big win for us. [END TAPE] KRISTEN WELKER: And a little update here: The couple has now spent 43 years together. And that is all for today. Thank you so much for watching. We will be back next week, because if it's Sunday, it's Meet the Press.

Trump says he has group of ‘very wealthy people' lined up to buy TikTok after pushing back ban of social media app
Trump says he has group of ‘very wealthy people' lined up to buy TikTok after pushing back ban of social media app

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Trump says he has group of ‘very wealthy people' lined up to buy TikTok after pushing back ban of social media app

Click to share on X/Twitter (Opens in new window) Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window) DONALD Trump said he has a group of "very wealthy people" lined up to buy TikTok. The President has repeatedly delayed a ban blocking the app to allow more time for negotiations with the Chinese owners - who have consistently refused to sell. 4 Donald Trump said he has potential buyers of TikTok waiting in the wings Credit: AFP 4 TikTok was temporarily disabled on US devices in January Credit: Getty 4 TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew has argued the sale to American owners is not necessary Credit: AFP Trump has fought to force TikTok's owners to sell to an American party since his first term. A bill signed last year makes it illegal to operate under the current Chinese owners, but the ban has been delayed three times and the company has always refused to sell. However, on Sunday, Trump told Fox News a "group of very wealthy people" wanted to purchase the app from ByteDance. He said: 'I think I will need China['s] approval, and I think President Xi will probably do it." Without revealing any details, he added: 'I'll tell you in about two weeks.' The closest to Trump has come to barring American users from TikTok was at the time of his inauguration in January this year. A ban took effect on January 19, and TikTok shut itself down an hour before that, telling users "you can't use TikTok for now" due to a "law banning TikTok". But around 12 hours later it came back online after conversations between the US and China behind the scenes - and was available for download again three weeks later. Since then, Trump has delayed the ban three times - twice for 75 days and most recently by 90 days on June 17. The eventual ban or sale is required by a "foreign adversary" bill signed in March 2024. ByteDance challenged the Act, but it was upheld by the Supreme Court in January. Trump rips critics & insists 'bombs went through like butter' at Iran sites It's not clear how much TikTok would sell for, with valuations ranging from $30billion to $300billion. Rumoured new American owners have included major tech companies like Microsoft and Oracle. The wildly popular YouTuber Mr Beast, real name Jimmy Donaldson, said in January he would submit an official offer for TikTok through and investment group led by Jesse Tinsley. Steve Mnuchin, Trump's treasury secretary during his first term in office, also floated the idea of purchasing the app with a group of billionaire investors when the ban was first passed. Amazon reportedly made a last-minute bid to purchase TikTok three days before the second recent extension in April. The bill banning continued Chinese ownership of TikTok cites concerns about national security risks. ByteDance was initially given nine months to sell-up - and that expired in January. However, the company has repeatedly insisted it will not give-up the app. It said in April: "ByteDance doesn't have any plans to sell TikTok." Reports circulated that it was considering a sale of the app without the key algorithm, but these were denied. The owners insisted: "Foreign media reports of ByteDance selling TikTok are not true."

Trump says he has group of ‘very wealthy people' lined up to buy TikTok after pushing back ban of social media app
Trump says he has group of ‘very wealthy people' lined up to buy TikTok after pushing back ban of social media app

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Trump says he has group of ‘very wealthy people' lined up to buy TikTok after pushing back ban of social media app

DONALD Trump said he has a group of "very wealthy people" lined up to buy TikTok. The President has repeatedly delayed a ban blocking the app to allow more time for negotiations with the Chinese owners - who have consistently refused to sell. 4 4 4 Trump has fought to force TikTok's owners to sell to an American party since his first term. A bill signed last year makes it illegal to operate under the current Chinese owners, but the ban has been delayed three times and the company has always refused to sell. However, on Sunday, Trump told Fox News a "group of very wealthy people" wanted to purchase the app from ByteDance. He said: 'I think I will need China['s] approval, and I think President Xi will probably do it." Without revealing any details, he added: 'I'll tell you in about two weeks.' The closest to Trump has come to barring American users from TikTok was at the time of his inauguration in January this year. A ban took effect on January 19, and TikTok shut itself down an hour before that, telling users "you can't use TikTok for now" due to a "law banning TikTok". But around 12 hours later it came back online after conversations between the US and China behind the scenes - and was available for download again three weeks later. Since then, Trump has delayed the ban three times - twice for 75 days and most recently by 90 days on June 17. The eventual ban or sale is required by a "foreign adversary" bill signed in March 2024. ByteDance challenged the Act, but it was upheld by the Supreme Court in January. It's not clear how much TikTok would sell for, with valuations ranging from $30billion to $300billion. Rumoured new American owners have included major tech companies like Microsoft and Oracle. The wildly popular YouTuber Mr Beast, real name Jimmy Donaldson, said in January he would submit an official offer for TikTok through and investment group led by Jesse Tinsley. Steve Mnuchin, Trump's treasury secretary during his first term in office, also floated the idea of purchasing the app with a group of billionaire investors when the ban was first passed. Amazon reportedly made a last-minute bid to purchase TikTok three days before the second recent extension in April. The bill banning continued Chinese ownership of TikTok cites concerns about national security risks. ByteDance was initially given nine months to sell-up - and that expired in January. However, the company has repeatedly insisted it will not give-up the app. It said in April: "ByteDance doesn't have any plans to sell TikTok." Reports circulated that it was considering a sale of the app without the key algorithm, but these were denied. The owners insisted: "Foreign media reports of ByteDance selling TikTok are not true." 4

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