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Charity director who claimed 'menopause madness' caused her poor performance at work loses disability discrimination claim

Charity director who claimed 'menopause madness' caused her poor performance at work loses disability discrimination claim

Daily Mail​08-05-2025

A charity director has lost her case for disability discrimination after blaming poor performance at work on ' menopause madness'.
Deborah Sangster claimed her failure to hand in reports on time and attend meetings were due to symptoms causing 'low mood, irritability and night sweats', an employment tribunal in south London heard.
Concerns were repeatedly raised about how she carried out duties in the two years she worked for StopWatch, which campaigns against police stop and search policies.
She went on to resign before being sacked after her failure to provide regular reports to funders risked the charity losing vital income, the tribunal was told.
Ms Sangster said she had been discriminated against and was 'suffering significant challenges with my mental health provoked by my menopause'.
But the tribunal found the charity's criticisms of her over her failings at work had nothing to do with the condition.
Indeed, it found StopWatch - based in Vauxhall, south London - had 'bent over backwards' to accommodate and support Ms Sangster while she showed 'no appreciation' for what they had done.
The hearing, held in Croydon in south London, was told that Ms Sangster began working for StopWatch UK in June 2021 as an executive director.
StopWatch, founded in 2010, aims to promote 'fair, effective and accountable policing', with a particular focus on stop and search policies.
Ms Sangster's role involved financial management and reporting as well as fundraising applications to support the volunteer trustees.
The tribunal heard that from the start of her employment there were issues with Ms Sangster who was described as 'difficult to contact', did not turn up for meetings and missed reporting deadlines including to the organisation that funded her role.
In January 2022, Ms Sangster had a probation review in which she was told to improve her time management.
Concerns about her fundraising work were also raised, including over an expression of interest form for a grant which was submitted six months late.
Despite these concerns, the tribunal found the charity had provided Ms Sangster with 'every chance of success' because they did not want to let her go.
In June 2022, the day before a trustee meeting, Ms Sangster asked to take a week off to 'gather her energy' because of issues in her personal life.
The trustees suggested she take her leave after the meeting to provide her handover, but she did not attend and it was cancelled.
After the aborted meeting, one trustee sent an email to the others explaining the situation and raising further concerns about Ms Sangster's performance - including a suggestion that her projects were 'ill-conceived and poorly executed'.
Ms Sangster was offered a month of paid leave during which time she saw a menopause specialist and was prescribed HRT to manage her low mood, brain fog, poor memory and night sweats.
On her phased return to work at the start of September she agreed, at the time, to a co-director plan with the employee who had been covering in her absence - halving her workload.
She emailed one of the trustees the following month to thank them for their support through what she called her 'menopause madness'.
Ms Sangster also discussed some of her physical symptoms but made no mention of mental health issues under which she would later claim disability discrimination.
In January 2023 one of the trustees, who was also a long-standing friend of Ms Sangster, spoke to her about the performance concerns that were going to be raised at an upcoming meeting and told her 'all options were available' regarding her employment.
At the meeting where continued concerns over her meeting attendance and funding reports were raised, Ms Sangster explained she felt overwhelmed and was only operating at '70 per cent' of her former self.
The tribunal heard that one key report that Ms Sangster failed to deliver on time was for the Charity Commission.
At the end of January, she raised a grievance on the basis she was being treated poorly because of her disability, sex and age.
Ms Sangster told the tribunal that, in her view, once she made this formal complaint things became 'incredibly difficult' at work.
At the end of the grievance process, Ms Sangster was told that the charity did not accept that her menopause symptoms qualified as a disability but they would still continue to make reasonable adjustments.
In April, she was invited to a contractual review meeting because of 'serious concerns' about her performance - especially concerning her failure to report to a key funder.
Later that month, whilst the review process was ongoing, Ms Sangster resigned - claiming the conditions had become 'unbearable'.
The tribunal found she had never tried to link her failure to submit a report to her mental health and that StopWatch had 'bent over backwards' to support her and that even when her role was halved she could not complete her duties.
Employment Judge Helen Rice-Birchall said Ms Sangster showed 'no appreciation' for what the charity had done for her.
She said: 'At no point did [Ms Sangster] ever say to [StopWatch] that she was unable to submit a specific report...because of her alleged disability.
'She was vague and unspecific and did not link her ill health to her failings in a way that [they] could contemplate that her failings were down to her alleged disability.
'However, [StopWatch] bent over backwards to support her, reducing her role by half, and yet [she] still did not perform or even properly communicate with [them] to explain why reports were late and so on despite numerous opportunities to do so.
'[Ms Sangster] showed no appreciation for what they had done for her, seeking in this tribunal to complain that her role had been split, even though she could not perform the half which remained.
'In her evidence the claimant appeared to criticise [another executive] for effectively being pedantic in his management of the accounts.
'The Tribunal concludes that [he] probably did have a sense of frustration with [her] attitude to finance, not least because her chaotic and disorganised approach meant that [StopWatch's] financial compliance, in a highly regulated sector, was at risk.
'Her approach meant that she would or could not take on more responsibility as budget holder which was what was expected of her. There was no evidence whatsoever to suggest that this was because of any menopause related ill-health.'
Ms Sangster lost her claims for disability, age, and sex discrimination, disability harassment and victimisation.
She was also ordered to pay £1,750 after being found to have acted 'vexatiously' during the tribunal process.

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My ADHD diagnosis at 34 was ‘clear as hell' – here's how I've silenced the caffeinated squirrels rioting in my brain

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Breathwork expert Jamie Clements says we're not ‘breathing wrong' but we could all be ‘breathing better'
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As a breathwork coach, Jamie Clements founder of The Breath Space often hears a familiar line: 'I can't be breathing wrong because I'm alive.' And while technically true, he says it misses the point. 'Yes, we're all breathing in a way that keeps us alive,' he tells me. 'But doing it a little bit better would do us some good.' After just five minutes of guided breathwork with Clements, I get it. That tight feeling I've been carrying in my chest all day softens, my thoughts are locked in on the breaths I'm taking and I can visualise, strangely, shades of purple behind my closed eyes. When I open them, something has shifted. It's subtle, but I can feel it. That shift, he says, is exactly what breathwork is meant to offer. It's a conscious recalibration of something we do all day without thinking. But as the practice gains traction in the wellness world, and TikTok algorithms churn out breathing 'hacks' by the hour, many struggle to understand how this practice fits in with our day-to-day lives. The principles of breathwork ''The breath' is really this catch-all umbrella term that over the last five to 10 years, particularly in the UK and Western society, has come to encapsulate any way that we can use our breath to shift our state and work with how we think, feel and operate on a physical level, mental level, emotional level and spiritual level,' Clements tells me. To cut through the noise, he's developed a framework that helps people understand the practice without feeling overwhelmed. 'I teach breathwork in three pillars,' he says. This approach is accessible – the idea is that we can all start somewhere. The first, and most foundational pillar, is what Clements calls functional breathing. 'How we breathe moment to moment, unconsciously, throughout the day. 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'I've been banging this drum for a good six months to a year now – this obsession with wellness is stressing people out and actually all the biohacks in the world aren't going to overcome the stress of striving for perfection with your wellness.' That exhaustion, he argues, is partly the result of what he calls 'information overload'. In the world of health and wellness, we seem to be inundated with data, protocols and biohacks but ultimately starved of embodiment and true connection, making it hard to process all the information we're served. 'I think post covid we've done a great job of awareness gathering and information gathering. But I see so many people kind of paralysed in that space and going, 'what do I do with all of this information?' I think what we're gonna see come next is this huge shift towards living the insights, living the understanding rather than, you know, comparing our wearable data.' says Clements. 'A lot of people are also going, 'how do I fix me? I am broken.' And actually a huge amount of it is actually just cutting yourself some slack and going, it's okay to want to move forward and grow, but not at the cost of hating yourself in the process.' Finding a way in While breathwork is inherently accessible, its origins are somewhat mystic and esoteric which sees many label what is actually a functional health tool as 'woo'. 'The deeper practices can become ceremonial or overly spiritual – white robes and wide-brim hats – which can alienate people,' says Clements. 'That's fine if it works for you, but it shouldn't be the only way in. The more transformational end of the spectrum can feel out of reach but I want the powerful end of this work to be for everyone.' 'I actually wrote a piece called 'breathwork is broken' about how the commodification of breathwork is both inevitable and problematic. You don't need fancy tools or a big budget to do breathwork but we are in a growing pains phase. 'It's the classic cycle of Western wellness: we get excited, over-commercialise it, then realise we need to course correct,' he says. 'Breathwork is at that turning point. We need stronger ethical standards, better training and more integrity.' If you're breathwork-curious, Clements recommends starting simply. 'The first two pillars, functional breathing and nervous system regulation, are safe to explore on your own. Slowing your breath, trying short patterns like box breathing, that's low-risk and high-reward.' For deeper emotional work, however, he urges caution. 'That's where you want to be discerning. Treat it like finding a therapist. Don't just follow a big-name Instagram account. I think one of the big dangers of modern social media and wellness is that we think that just because someone's got a lot of followers means they're good at what they do.' Instead, ask where someone trained, look for word-of-mouth recommendations, and trust your gut. 'Some people you'll feel safe with. Others you won't. That's okay.' As for his own wellbeing practice, Clements practises breathwork every day. 'I try to start each day with stillness and silence. So that could be just a simple unguided meditation for 10 to 30 minutes, just in silence. It might be more centred around the breath, it might be a guided meditation. I like to start from a slow pace to set the tone for the day. So that's that's a big thing for me and that's pretty close to being a non-negotiable.' He also trains in the gym, does Brazilian jiu-jitsu three or four times a week and occasionally opts for the saunas and cold water therapy that so many athletes and influencers in the wellness space rely on for focus, healing and recovery. 'But I'm not strict,' he says. 'I try to give my nervous system space to ebb and flow.' 'Tools like Whoop and Oura – they're a great tool, but a terrible master. If you've never been in touch with your body, they can help. But eventually, you have to learn to listen to yourself. We're all different. So I think if they work for people, then then great as long as they're not being led by them.' Ultimately, Clements hopes people come to see breathwork not as a quick fix or a trend, but as a tool for deeper connection. 'The nature of the practice is that it is innately accessible,' he says. 'I think that in part is why everyone's talking about it or everyone seems to be talking more about it. It's so accessible, but at the same time it can go to such depths that there's a lot of different things that we can do within this world of breath. 'I think that's the beautiful thing with this work. My goal with everybody that I speak to and work with is to make this an integrated better part of their life that stays with them. It's not a practice to be done, it's actually just a way of living that stays with you, that actually opens you up to a broader experience of life. '

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