DeepSeek 再被懷疑用 Google Gemini 訓練新版 R1 模型
DeepSeek 以低成本訓練出足夠強效的推理 AI 模型，曾經震驚業界，甚至是政界。DeepSeek 最新推出的 R1-0528 模型主打更強數理和編程表現，不過他們的訓練數據卻未曾公開，AI 業界又再一次懷疑 DeepSeek 是透過蒸餾其他 AI 模型而開發新版本。
其中一個支持這論點的是澳洲開發者 Sam Paech，他在 X 上發文指出R1-0528 模型的語言風格與 Google Gemini 2.5 Pro 極為相似。他認為 DeepSeek 已經從以往基於 OpenAI 的數據切換至 Gemini 的合成數據。另一位開發者 SpeechMap 則發現，R1 模型生成的'推理痕跡'（AI 在得出結論時的思維過程）也與 Gemini 模型極為相似。
If you're wondering why new deepseek r1 sounds a bit different, I think they probably switched from training on synthetic openai to synthetic gemini outputs. pic.twitter.com/Oex9roapNv
— Sam Paech (@sam_paech) May 29, 2025
另一邊廂非牟利 AI 研究機構 AI2 的 AI 專家 Nathan Lambert 更發文指 DeepSeek 在缺乏 GPU 和鉅額資金的支持下，也一定會透過市場最佳的模型 API 來蒸餾數據，這次就是 Gemini。
2024 年時，OpenAI 透過金融時報發聲，指他們獲得證據指 DeepSeek V3 是透過蒸餾 ChatGPT 的數據來訓練而成，後來 Bloomberg 也報道指主要金主 Microsoft 偵測到在 2024 年年底，有大量資料經過 OpenAI 開發者帳戶外洩，他們相信是與 DeepSeek 有關。
為防止競爭對手利用其模型數據，AI 公司正加強安全措施。例如，OpenAI 現在要求用戶完成身份驗證才能訪問高級模型，而 Google 則開始對 Gemini 模型生成的'推理痕跡'進行摘要處理，讓競爭對手更難以利用其數據。
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