Latest on Giants' Matthew Stafford Pursuit: NY willing to guarantee $90 million or more
Here's the latest on the Giants' trade pursuit of quarterback Matthew Stafford...
Feb. 28, 8:29 a.m.
The Giants and Raiders have discussed two-year contracts with Stafford that include between $90 million and $100 million guaranteed, reports Dianna Russini of The Athletic.
Per The Athletic, the Rams are meeting with Stafford at their facility on Friday, and a decision regarding his future is expected soon.
SNY NFL Insider Connor Hughes reported early Friday that if the Giants don't get Stafford, it won't be because they didn't "exhaust their means."
Hughes added that most people he spoke with felt the Giants had ground to make up if they wanted to land Stafford, with the Raiders and Rams currently viewed as the two more likely outcomes.
Feb. 26, 3:17 p.m.
The Giants met with Stafford and his reps the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, according to numerous reports.
It's still unknown if Los Angeles would actually move on from Stafford as the two sides try to work out a new deal, but they did grant him permission to speak with other teams to gauge his market value.
The 37-year-old, who has one year remaining on his current deal, is said to be seeking a new contract worth at least $50 million per year.
Multiple teams told SNY NFL Insider Connor Hughes that they feel Stafford won't actually be traded, but Hughes feels that shouldn't stop Schoen and the Giants from taking a big swing -- as long as the asking price is reasonable.
Stafford is coming off a season in which he guided the Rams to an NFC West title while throwing for 3,762 yards and 20 touchdowns.
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He was considered one of the best clutch hitters on the team, a reputation cemented during the 1978 postseason, when he hit .412 in the NLCS, including the walk-off hit in the pennant-clinching game against the Phillies (you can watch that here) and .423 in the World Series. 4. Corey Seager (2015-21, .297/.367/.504, 20.9 WAR, 131 OPS+, Rookie of the Year, 2-time All Star) Russell beats out Seager because of his longevity with the Dodgers, but if you want to move Seager up to third, you could. He was selected in the first round of the 2012 draft and made the Dodgers in September 2015. He hit .337 in 27 games and was the starting shortstop in the postseason, winning the job from Jimmy Rollins. In 2016, he was named Rookie of the Year and finished third in MVP voting. He had another solid year in 2017, which was also the last time he made the All-Star team as a Dodger. He missed almost all of the 2018 season after having Tommy John surgery (yes, sometimes non-pitchers need it). 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He came off the IL on June 4, and, probably not coincidentally, the Dodgers went on a 46-10 run and ended up winning the division. He finished eighth in MVP voting despite playing in barely half the games. Then came the pitch many Dodgers fans won't forget. The Dodgers were one of the favorites to win the 2013 World Series, and defeated Atlanta in four games in the NLDS. In Game 1 of the NLCS, Ramirez was drilled in the ribs with a fastball thrown by..... future fan favorite Joe Kelly. Two ribs were broken. Ramirez wore a protective vest the rest of the series and went two for 15 as the Dodgers lost to the St. Louis Cardinals in six games. Did Kelly throw at Ramirez on purpose? In an interview for this newsletter, Kelly said 'Hanley Ramirez probably should have gotten out of the way or turned inside a little more.' More injuries hampered Ramirez in 2014 and he became more of a defensive liability at short. He left as a free agent, signing with Boston, which moved him to left field. 8. 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This was the signal for the real fun, Maranville's punch for the head missing its mark but striking Ivan on the knee. Then Ivan's return sweep whizzed past the Rabbit's head. Umpire Cy Rigler, who had followed the play to third, then jumped after Olson, grabbing him about the neck and pulling him away, while half a dozen ball players made a circle around Maranville. Both men wanted to continue, but Rigler evidently figured out that the gate was too small and that the 800 fans had had enough for their money.' He played for Cleveland, then the Reds, who released him in the 1915 season. He was picked up by the Dodgers and hit .077 in 18 games. The Robins made the World Series for the first time in 1916, and manager Wilbert Robinson gave much of the credit to Olson, saying he brought much-needed toughness and togetherness to the team. They made the World Series again in 2020. He was the Kirk Gibson of his day. 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But he injured his elbow and had season-ending Tommy John surgery. The Dodgers acquired Rafael Furcal in the offseason, and when Izturis returned in 2006, he was a backup. He was traded July 31, 2006 to the Chicago Cubs for Greg Maddux. He remained in the majors until 2013, almost entirely because he was such a great fielder. If you saw Izturis play at Dodger Stadium, he seemed to make at least one play every game that was superhuman. Going deep into the hole and throwing a missile to first. A diving stop behind second. He was always positioned perfectly. He was a wonder to watch. Izturis is currently the bench coach for the Tijuana Toros in the Mexican League. His son, Cesar Daniel Izturis, was in the Seattle organization for a while and currently plays for Durango in the Mexican League. 10. Don Zimmer (1954-59, 1963, .228/.286/.366, -0.1 WAR, 69 OPS+) Really, once you get past Nos. 5 or 6 on this list, the rankings become interchangeable. 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It took until 1958, the year the Dodgers started playing in L.A., for Zimmer to win the starting shortstop job. Reese, who had aged out of the shortstop role, moved to third base. Zimmer had his best season, hitting .262 with 17 homers and 60 RBIs. But it was just one season of glory, as he lost the job to a newcomer named Maury Wills in 1959. Zimmer hit .169 in the season and appeared in only one World Series game as the Dodgers beat the Chicago White Sox. Zimmer was traded to the Chicago Cubs before the 1960 season for Johnny Goryl, Lee Handley and Ron Perranoski. He eventually made his way to the Reds, who traded him on Jan. 24, 1963 to the Dodgers in order to make room for a promising rookie to make the team: Pete Rose. He spent a few weeks with the Dodgers before he was traded to the Washington Senators. Zimmer died on June 4, 2014 in Dunedin, Fla. He was 83. 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