Tucker Carlson is stunned as guest finally confronts issue that terrifies conservatives: 'Everyone is afraid to say it'
The former Fox News anchor said the extreme view was one that even ardent right-wingers may struggle to fully support, but admitted that he 'agreed' with the premise.
Podcaster Matt Walsh railed against gay couples for not being able to 'create a family' naturally, and argued that laws that allowed for them to adopt children in need was 'not progress.'
'It's progress in the sense that cancer progresses,' he fumed on the Tucker Carlson Show.
'There are some basic civilizational truths that we have moved away from in recent decades, but I don't think there was any good reason to move away from them.'
Carlson brought up the topic, citing a tweet from Walsh calling for surrogacy and gay couples adopting children to be made illegal, which Carlson said he had 'never heard anybody say' even in right-ring circles.
Carlson appeared confused by how to react to the strong stance, but said he felt it was 'worth pondering.'
'It tells you something, if every civilization, none of which that we know of had contact with each other, all came to the same conclusions,' he said.
Conservative commentator Matt Walsh railed against gay couples for not being able to 'create a family' naturally, and argued that laws that allowed for them to adopt children in need was 'not progress'
Carlson and Walsh dove into the controversial issue despite admitting it would not be a popular one even for most Republicans.
Walsh - best known for his satirical documentary Am I Racist? - continued to say that the stance is only found among 'social conservatives' who he feels 'still get a bad rap.'
Carlson countered that even though he 'agreed' with the notion, he had never heard other right-wing figures make the same argument before.
'I don't think I've ever heard someone say that, everyone seems to be afraid to say that,' he said.
'Most people are,' Walsh agreed. 'That's why social conservatism isn't very popular, even on the right.'
The filmmaker went on to argue that because gay couples didn't have the right to adopt children for generations, they shouldn't be allowed to today.
'If human beings did something a certain way for literally millennia, in every civilization that we know of, it's probably right,' he said.
Walsh posited that gay couples had never 'started a family' in previous centuries, saying society has 'always been a man and woman start a family,' with exceptions for polygamy.
'Now, I don't support polygamy, but there was a logic to it,' he added. 'Especially in ancient times - you had to create people.
'But a family headed by two gay men... it's an abomination.'
Walsh added that in his view, surrogacy is essentially 'renting a womb.' He said that the conversation had shifted from adopting orphans in need of a family to 'the objectification of a human being, treating them like an object.'
He went on to say that although surrogacy and gay adoption rights are seen as progressive, it was 'progress in the sense that cancer progresses.'
Carlson joked that America could be in 'stage four gay right now,' as Walsh laughed and replied, 'Oh yeah, full on stage four... it's a terminal case.'
After laughing at the joke, Carlson said that it was worth noting 'how things were always done' in societies.
'We should pay attention to how things have always been done, because we can learn something,' he said.
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