‘Forgotten Where They All Came From': Councilor Lashes Out Over Pay Equity
Article – Matthew Rosenberg – Local Democracy Reporter
The new committee is spearheaded by former National MP Dame Marilyn Waring, with its members all volunteering their time.
An Invercargill councillor says the people who made changes to the Equal Pay Act have forgotten where they came from.
Former-New Zealand First MP Ria Bond made the comments after it was revealed she was one of 10 former female MPs joining the 'People's Select Committee on Pay Equity'.
The unofficial committee went public on Monday with its plan to take submissions and examine changes to the Act, which were passed under urgency earlier this month.
The changes make it more difficult for those who believe they are being unfairly paid to make a claim.
'(I) just feel really let down by this Government and the way that they chose to have it go under no scrutiny and through urgency, with no input from anyone that actually works in these sectors,' Bond said.
'I think they've forgotten where they all come from.'
The new committee is spearheaded by former National MP Dame Marilyn Waring, with its members all volunteering their time.
Bond was pleased the group had formed, and said it showed the power of people to 'make a movement when things are so drastically wrong'.
Waring and Bond are joined by former Labour MPs Lianne Dalziel, Steve Chadwick, Nanaia Mahuta and Lynne Pillay; former National MPs Jackie Blue, Jo Hayes and Belinda Vernon; and former Green MP Sue Bradford.
Waring told reporters earlier today there was a good spread of women who wanted to hear the evidence Parliament should have heard.
They would reach out to key parties that previously submitted on the legislation as well as 33 groups whose claims were affected by the changes, she said.
Submissions to the committee are open until 31 July with an initial hearing to be held in Wellington on 11 August.
More hearings will be announced at a later date with a draft report prepared before the end of the year.
Bond was a member of parliament with New Zealand First from 2015 to 2017. She was elected to Invercargill City Council in 2022.
Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden announced the changes to the pay equity process earlier this month.
Claims have been able to progress without strong evidence of undervaluation and there have been very broad claims where it is difficult to tell whether differences in pay are due to sex-based discrimination or other factors, she said at the time.
The changes include raising the threshold of professions predominantly performed by female employees from 60 percent to 70 percent.
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Under this proposal, there would no longer be MSD benefits nor student allowances, though there would still be some benefit supplements for MSD to process, such as Accommodation Supplements and NZS 'single-rate' supplements. This UBI proposal would not be fiscally neutral; though it would be less unaffordable than many people would guess. (In practice, a fiscal stimulus at present could pay for itself in increased growth-revenue in just a few years; it might even 'return New Zealand to surplus' sooner than realistic current projections.) For present superannuitants working part-time, it would represent a small reduction in after-tax income, given that they would be paying income tax on their wages at what is commonly known today as the 'secondary tax rate'. Other than fiscal non-neutrality, two objections to such a UBI would be these: New Zealand has too many workers who would not meet the present NZS definition of 'citizen'; and the UBI would be too generous to young people not working and living with their parents. So, while it might be less unworkable than many people would expect, this instant-UBI policy is not one I would favour. SUI SUI stands for Simple Universal-Income. Self. We note that the prefix 'sui-' means 'self'; equity rights are a development of liberal individualism, not of 'socialism' or 'communism'. Some people equate public property rights with Marxian collectivism, with the 'nationalisation of the means of production'. They couldn't be more wrong. Collectivist schemes involve full government retention of citizens' incomes; they are schemes of government control; completely the opposite of universal income. A universal private income drawn as a dividend from public wealth is individualism, not collectivism. Indeed, the natural political home of reformed capitalism is the political centre-right, not the left; albeit the new centre-right, not the privileged and stale centre-right politics which New Zealand Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has so far represented. A 'universal private income drawn from public wealth' is different from a ' privileged private income drawn from public wealth'. It would be very simple to create an SUI in Aotearoa New Zealand. New Zealand's income-tax scale has five rates: 10.5%, 17.5%, 30%, 33% and 39%. The 33% rate has formed the backbone of the New Zealand tax scale since 1988. As with the UBI example above, the SUI proposal simply eliminates the 10.5%, 17.5% and 30% rates. In return every adult economic citizen – effectively every 'tax resident' – would receive an annual SUI (ie dividend) of $10,122.50; that's $195.66 per week. 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People whose present total weekly Benefit income is currently less than $195.66 would cease to be called Beneficiaries; they would cease to be clients of the MSD, the Ministry of Social Development. What this means is that most New Zealanders, on Day One, would see no change in their bank accounts. Nobody would receive a lower income. And for most who receive a higher income, it would be only higher by small amount. This begs the question, if most people's disposable incomes do not increase, or only increase by a trivial amount, then why bother? The important societal benefits would be dynamic; would be around incentives. First, individuals (of all adult ages, male and female, regardless of their position in their households) would be incentivised to take employment risks – including self-employment risks – if they receive a core unconditional income that they do not stand to lose when risk doesn't pay off. Labour supply is boosted; as is the economy's 'surge capacity' (technically, the elasticity of labour supply increases). Second, lower-paid individuals – many of whom are women – would have increased bargaining power (through unions and as individuals) and would not have to resort to contestable narratives such as 'pay equity' in order to achieve a fair wage. Third, individuals would be better able to negotiate weekly hours of work to optimise their work-life balance. The SUI would minimise the present 'twin evils' of overwork and underwork. Fourth, and especially for today's high-income workers, the SUI represents an unconditional form of income insurance to facilitate the acquisition of basic needs during a period of what economists call 'frictional unemployment'; being 'between jobs'. Or a period of 'voluntary unemployment', such as attending to the health needs of another family member. Fifth, the SUI would count as a democratic dividend, an acknowledgement that each society's wealth arises from both (present and past) private and public enterprise, and that – for that reason – both private and public dividends should be part of societies' income mix. All citizens would have both private 'skin in the game' and a sense of 'public inclusion', motivating all citizens to have an 'us' mentality, rather than a divisive and exclusionary 'them and us' mentality. The SUI is my preferred option for New Zealand for the year 2026. BUI BUI stands for 'Basic Universal-Income'. In the New Zealand context, it could be easily created by removing the 10.5%, 17.5%, and 33% income brackets. Thus, except for high-income-earners (say the five-percenters), there would be an effective flat tax set at 30% of production income. It would work much as the SUI. I have calculated that, for New Zealand, the BUI would be $7,779.50 per year, effectively $150 per week. To partially offset the tax cut that would be payable to people earning more than $78,100 per year, the income threshold for the 39% tax rate should come down (to $146,000, from $180,000). Tax cuts would be received by all persons earning between $78,100 and $180,000, with the maximum tax cut of just over $2,000 (just over $39 per week) being payable to someone earning $146,000. With this BUI, compared to the SUI, there would be more day-one beneficiaries (ie more better-off people) on higher incomes, and fewer day-one beneficiaries on lower incomes. Nobody would be worse off. The dynamic benefits discussed in relation to the SUI would still apply. This is a policy that the Act Party should embrace, given its stated commitments to liberal-democracy, individualism, enterprise, and the future of capitalism. A wider benefit of BUI is that it could represent a small beginning to something bigger and better. Just as with Universal Superannuation, the 'establishment fear-factor' soon dissipated. And universal benefits came to be embraced in the 1950s by both 'left' and 'right' in Aotearoa New Zealand; a decade in which there were very few persons of working age relative to persons classifiable as 'dependents'. HUI HUI represents Hybrid Universal-Income; a mix of UBI and SUI. What would happen is that the age of entitlement to New Zealand Superannuation would be lowered, but not all the way to age 18. Today the 'threshold age' is 65. Under a HUI, all adult tax residents under the new threshold age would receive a SUI, on the same basis as described above. A variant of HUI would be more flexible; a flexible Hybrid Basic Income. Everyone between say 30 and 70 would be able to have a UBI for say ten years; otherwise they would have an SUI. (This might be a policy that would work well for Denmark.) Today a large proportion of babies are born to mothers aged 30 to 40. Many of these mothers might prefer to have children while in their early thirties, but, for financial reasons, end up having their children later. If all adults could choose when to have their ten years UBI, I could imagine many women choosing their thirties, and many men choosing their forties. Thus, women would be able to leave paid work to a greater or lesser extent around when they would most like to have children, and their partners could take their UBI after the mothers of their children have returned to fulltime employment. For persons in their forties, parenting non-infant children fits with the life-stage when many people would like to be establishing their own businesses and becoming employers. This would create incentives to both working-class (and bourgeois) human reproduction, more enterprise, and more employment opportunities in the private sector for youngish and oldish workers. A further variant of this variant could be to extend the SUI to a UBI for individuals over 60 who lose their jobs on account of redundancy. This would help the many women such as those who were caught out by the Labour Government's barely-noticed 2020 decision to remove NZS entitlements to 'non-qualifying-spouses' (ie people who become redundant, mostly women, whose life-partners are already on New Zealand Superannuation). (We might also note that the Sixth Labour Government – 2017 to 2023 – cut the after-tax wages of all women [and men too] by not inflation-adjusting income-tax bracket thresholds. Looked at in full historical context, Labour governments in New Zealand have not been kind to women.) GUI We might note that the UBI case, first-mentioned above, would be very close to a Generous Universal-Income. In this case, only the 39% income-tax rate would be retained, and the UI would be an annual GUI dividend of $20,922.50 (ie $402.36 per week). 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The Treaty Principles Bill got a record 300,000 submissions when it was considered by the Justice Committee earlier this year. Is Seymour right to have raised concerns about how these tools are affecting public debate? Or are they a boon for democracy? Submission tools used across the political spectrum Submission tools are commonly used by advocacy groups to mobilise public input during the select committee process. The online tools often offer a template for users to fill out or suggested wording that can be edited or submitted as is. Each submission is usually still sent by the individual. Taxpayers' Union spokesperson Jordan Williams said submitting to Parliament used to be 'pretty difficult'. 'You'd have to write a letter and things like that. What the tools do allow is for people to very easily and quickly make their voice heard.' The tools being used now are part of sophisticated marketing campaigns, Williams said. 'You do get pressure groups that take particular interest, and it blows out the numbers, but that doesn't mean that officials should be ruling them out or refusing to engage or read submissions.' The Taxpayers' Union has created submission tools in the past, but Williams said he isn't in favour of tools that don't allow the submitter to alter the submission. He has encouraged supporters to change the contents of the submission to ensure it is original. 'The ones that we are pretty suspicious of is when it doesn't allow the end user to actually change the submission, and in effect, it just operates like a petition, which I don't think quite has the same democratic value.' Clerk of the House of Representatives David Wilson said campaigns that see thousands of similar submissions on proposed legislation are not new, they've just taken a different form. 'It's happened for many, many years. It used to be photocopied forms. Now, often it's things online that you can fill out. And there's nothing wrong with doing that. It's a legitimate submission.' However, Wilson pointed out that identical responses would likely be grouped by the select committee and treated as one submission. 'The purpose of the select committee calling for public submissions is so that the members of the committee can better inform themselves about the issues. They're looking at the bill, thinking about whether it needs to be amended or whether it should pass. So if they receive the same view from hundreds of people, they will know that.' But that isn't to say those submissions are discredited, Wilson said. 'For example, the committee staff would say, you've received 10,000 submissions that all look exactly like this. So members will know how many there were and what they said. But I don't know if there's any point in all of the members individually reading the same thing that many times.' But Williams said there were risks in treating similar submissions created using 'tools' as one submission. 'Treating those ones as if they are all identical is not just wrong, it's actually undemocratic,' he said. 'It's been really concerning that, under the current parliament, they are trying to carte blanche, reject people's submissions, because a lot of them are similar.' AI should be used to analyse submissions and identify the unique points. 'Because if people are going to take the time and make a submission to Parliament, at the very least, the officials should be reading them or having them summarised,' Williams said. 'Every single case on its merits' Labour MP Duncan Webb is a member of the Justice Committee and sat in on oral submissions for the Treaty Principles Bill. He said he attempted to read as many submissions as possible. 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'To kind of dismiss that as just one of a pile from this organisation is actually denying someone who's got an important point to make, their voice in the democratic process.'
