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‘Severance' Finale Raises New Questions, but Were There Any Answers?

‘Severance' Finale Raises New Questions, but Were There Any Answers?

New York Times21-03-2025

The second season of 'Severance' just wrapped up with its longest episode yet. We have thoughts. Spoilers abound.
Whose Side Are We On?
There are endings that give you what you want. There are endings that don't give you what you want. There are endings that give you what you don't want.
Then there are endings that make you wonder what exactly you should want, which was what the 'Severance' Season 2 finale did.
The first season of 'Severance' gave us some clear rooting interests. We wanted Mark Scout to find his not-dead-yet wife, Gemma. And we wanted Mark S. and the rest of his innie colleagues to find freedom, self-determination and love. But the finale hit a realization that the season had been building to: These two wants might not be compatible, at least not easily.
The two Marks having the world's weirdest Zoom conversation at the birthing cabin laid the conflict out. The series has shown them to date as twin protagonists wronged by the mighty Lumon corporation. But there's a power dynamic between the two of them as well, as innie Mark says with growing frustration.
Outie Mark has more agency, more legitimacy under the law, more life on earth. And as the conversation goes on, we see him through the eyes of his innie. The sweet, sad, grief-stricken man we'd come to know begins to look … a little smug? A little cagey? He tries to say the right thing, but there's a bit of a lip-service vibe, like he wants to make restitution without actually sacrificing anything. It's like he's making a land acknowledgment for his own brain.
We know outie Mark has a heart. But can you blame innie Mark for wondering if he's just giving a kinder, gentler version of Helena Eagan's dismissal to Helly from Season 1: 'You are not a person'?
Maybe there's a win-win solution; maybe reintegration will really work; maybe both can share joint tenancy of one body. Or maybe outie Mark is blowing smoke! The finale doesn't resolve this — or much else — but it does force us to wonder, push comes to shove, whose happy ending we want. (Not to mention whose happy endings matter: Gemma makes it out, but what about the dozens of innies nurtured in her brain? Are they any less real than Mark S. and Helly R., simply because we spent less time watching them on TV?)
Innie Mark chooses himself, and Helly R., escaping through the klaxon-blaring chaos of the Lumon halls as the episode ends, à la 'The Graduate,' with the elation on the lovers' faces shifting to seeming anxiety. There is no certain future for them inside Lumon, after all. But sometimes you can't help getting in your own way.
Sympathy for the Manager
The second season of 'Severance' ended with multiple innies dramatically taking charge of their half-lives.
They include Mark S. and Helly R., who, in the closing moments of the chaotic finale, forsook Mark's wife and embraced an uncertain future of running through hallways together. Dylan G. seemingly dropped his resignation plan and recommitted to Team Macrodata Refinement. Even Lorne the melancholy goat queen decided she'd had enough and beat the ghoulish Mr. Drummond into submission. (Here's hoping we see Lorne's outie in Season 3 — she must have lots of questions.)
But let's also spare a thought for the man who was charged with maintaining order and utterly failed: Mr. Milchick, last seen facing a defiant Dylan and an angry marching band. (This show is so nutty.) Milchick's dejected reflection in the bathroom mirror, as the red alert blared and he realized it had all gone wrong, was as poignant as anything else in the episode.
I was moved partly in solidarity with a fellow middle manager but mostly because Tramell Tillman has been the show's M.V.P. all season. Consider a small sample of what 'Severance' has asked him to do: tell a bonkers campfire story in one scene and extinguish an innie in the next; endure loaded critiques of his vocabulary and maintain a chilly professional relationship with a child; and, in the finale, co-host a laugh-tracked tribute show with an animatronic statue and flaunt halftime-worthy drum major moves with the marching band.
Tillman has managed to make all of this and more work while delivering the show's best lines — 'I feel the theremin works best in moderation' — and transmitting the bottled fury of a man who has given all of himself and been rewarded with disrespect and racist microaggressions from his Lumon superiors, including the statue. (Again, nutty.)
Midway through the finale, Milchick gives Dylan his outie's reply to his resignation request. 'As it may yield an embarrassing emotional response in you, and as I'm duly swamped,' he says, 'I shall leave you to read it in solitude.' I too am swamped. But if Milchick is involved, I'm here for it.
My Outie Is Concerned
'Severance' gets my brains working, which can be a problem.
My TV brain — call it my innie — understands that Mark S. stays in the offices of Lumon Industries at the end of the Season 2 finale because that is the only place he is alive, and the only place he can be with Helly R., the woman he loves. It understands that this makes sense, and is heartbreaking, within the parameters of the show.
But my real-world brain — that nagging outie — sees Mark's wife, Gemma, standing outside, thinks that his decision makes no real-world sense and loses any sympathy it had for him. Unfortunately, unlike Mark, I can't turn that one off.
I have been on board from the beginning for the show's startling premise, and for the muted uncanniness of its execution. Mark and Helly's season-ending dash through the corridors of Lumon, like rats in a maze or romantics in the Louvre in a Godard film, was exhilarating.
An emphasis on novelty and style can come at a cost, though, and the bill came due as Season 2 went along. The element of ritualistic cultlike weirdness in the workings of Lumon felt more artificial and frivolous than ever after the finale's marching-band performance and aborted goat sacrifice. The ultimate answers to what Lumon is up to — mind control? digitization of consciousness? — felt less interesting. What seem to me to be the holes in the ingenious premise (why would anyone sign up for separation knowing that they had to clock out and come home every night?) got more bothersome. And without John Turturro's Irving and Christopher Walken's Burt, the finale was missing the show's two most appealing performances. Oh well, no waffle party for me.
The Meaning of Work
In the Season 2 finale of 'Severance,' Mark S. completes his 25th macrodata refinement file. A celebration ensues, culminating in a performance by a full marching band. The scene, however sinister, enacts a fantasy that hard, tedious work will be rewarded. The episode also insists, for perhaps the first time on 'Severance,' that the work the show's characters do has a material purpose, that it matters.
A chilly, bizarro tragicomedy, 'Severance' is fundamentally about work and the numbing futility (enlivened by friendship, flirtation and the occasional egg bar social) of most office jobs. For 19 episodes, Mark S.'s job has been an empty exercise: using a trackball to sort and group seemingly random numbers. (It's like the dullest grayscale version of Candy Crush Saga.)
The finale reveals that this seemingly pointless work has a point, sharp and painful, involving Gemma, the wife of Mark S.'s outie, now trapped on the company's testing floor. Or as Harmony Cobel, Mark S.'s former supervisor puts it, 'The numbers are your wife.'
'Severance' has always depended on the paradoxical — but maybe also at least somewhat true? — notion that work is both a respite and a hassle. Mark S.'s outie agrees to the severance procedure so that he won't have to mourn his wife during work hours. (He also, in his video conversation with his innie, indicates that it was perhaps the only way he could function in a workplace after her 'death.') A bonus is that his outie can elide the tedium of number sorting. Working for the weekend? Congrats. Your outie is all weekend. The show has never before insisted that the work itself is vital.
Though the timing is obviously coincidental, the finale arrives in a moment when many thousands of federal workers have been asked to justify their jobs. And it suggests that even tasks that seem needless, superfluous, might be absolutely essential.
But even if that's true of the work, it's not necessarily true of the workers, who might be let go at any moment. Discarded, as Cobel colorfully explains, 'like a skin husk.'

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I'm as hungry as the fans are to find out what these characters are going to get up to, and I probably have as many daydreams as as you all might about where they're gonna go and what they might be thinking. How has your career changed since ? It's really hard to comprehend the scope of how impactful the show has been. When you do theater, of which I do a fair amount, I do live performance — someone gave me this analogy the other day that I've been really thinking about. You do a play and you go out at the end to do a bow, and that bow is not only to receive applause, which is so lovely, but also it's a way to thank the audience for coming to the show, to honor the audience by saying, 'Hey, this would be weird if we were doing this to an empty room. Thank you for coming.' In TV and film, we don't have that immediate audience response, right? There's a year or two between when we step into the character's perspective and when the audience sees it. So, doing press and getting to see how the fans are impacted by what we've done is our chance to take that bow. That's always the goal with art, right? That it somehow has a resonance with the audience, and we're on this journey together. My personal opinion is that art is this chance for us to to think about what really makes us human. When we're making art, we're saying, 'Who am I really? What makes our consciousness different from a tulip or a bird or AI?' When did you first learn you would be playing Helena Eagan in addition to Helly R.? I suppose it was after I was cast — pretty early on that was embedded into the storyline. I did not know that it was Helly and Helena when I auditioned, but once I got the news that I was going to get to be Helly R., then Dan Erickson and Ben Stiller told me the full scope of season one and that all of the Innies get this little glimpse of who they are on the outside. Because we film the show out of order, we were privy to the whole arc ahead of time, so you're sort of stringing that process together. A trend has been one actor playing twins — is it like that for you? I'm always trying to come up with new analogies. It's these two parts of the same person. They share the same anatomy, they share the same physiology. They share some of the same psychology, because they have a subconscious that's shared, but it's their consciousness that's different, right? Their subjective experience of awareness, of being awake, is separate in the same way that, as an actor, I share the same body as Helly, and I share some of the same subconscious space. If I bruise my elbow on set as Helly, I'm gonna feel it as Brit. But I have a different consciousness than these two parts of the character that I play. Fans pretty quickly picked up on the physical differences you bring to the characters, like their different postures. Can you talk about creating that tool for yourself? My job is to sculpt the inner life of each of them, and sometimes stuff that's happening internally affects how the character moves through the world. Some of that the fans picked up on and that just happened as a result. Helly has this drive. She moves with a lot of conviction and determination. And Helena kind of waits for the world to come to her. Their psychology works differently, given their circumstances. When did you first learn what is? For season two, I had the pleasure as an actor of now stepping into that weird world of the Lumon higher-ups and seeing what it's like to be a Lumon worker as Helena, and how everyone's always watching each other — and the extent to which Helena is aware of what's happening in the company is also a little mysterious. She knows a lot, but there are also things kept from different departments within Lumon. I had to know at least what Cold Harbor was as Helena. But the extent to which she knows what it is, I'm not certain. I know you've said that was definitely Helly R. in the season two finale and not Helena (again pretending to be Helly R.) — but are you sure Dan (Erickson) and Ben (Stiller) didn't lie to you about that to get a certain performance? That's so funny. No, there's no trickery involved in the Severance collaborative. If you track the whole episode and you see Helly trapping Milchick (Tramell Tillman) in a bathroom, her friend, Dylan (Zach Cherry), comes to help. She runs and stands on the tri-desk, remembering her friend Irving (John Turturro) and looking out at this sea of humanity of the Innies… That speech really embodies the question of the whole season: Are Innies people? In season one, [Helena tells Helly] she isn't a person and has no right to make choices about her body. Helly had no connection to meaning in the work that they were doing on the Lumon floor. She was like, 'This has no meaning to me whatsoever, get me out of here at all costs. In fact, I'm willing to risk my life to do so. Get me out of here.' The question of season one is, who am I in relationship to this work, which doesn't have meaning to me (Helly)? Then, over time, she's forming this chosen family with Irving, Dylan and with Mark. The connection she has to these people who she loves is then the journey of season two. All of these Innies have this new information about who they are, and it makes them even hungrier for purpose and meaning in their lives. So then to see her on that tri-desk at the end saying, 'They give us half a life and think we won't fight for it?' I just can't believe that anyone else would have said that. Did Mark S. make the right decision at the end of season two? Well, again, I'm gonna go back to that question of, are Innies people? Like, Helena says to Helly R., 'I am a person, you are not. I make the decisions, you do not.' So I think embedded in your question is: Is he allowed to make a decision? Mark's subjective experience of awareness — his consciousness — is separate from his Outtie's. So, you have to put yourself in his shoes. These Innies have been stripped of so much already, right? They don't get to see daylight. They don't get to experience music or art — not really, not very much, at least. They don't get to make choices about what they're gonna have for lunch, or what they put on in the morning. And to expect him to make a decision for his Outtie's dream to reunite with his wife is perhaps a step too far. *** Seasons one and two of Severance are streaming on Apple TV+. Read THR's season coverage and interviews. Best of The Hollywood Reporter 'The Studio': 30 Famous Faces Who Play (a Version of) Themselves in the Hollywood-Based Series 22 of the Most Shocking Character Deaths in Television History A 'Star Wars' Timeline: All the Movies and TV Shows in the Franchise

Patricia Arquette on If Cobel Did a Better Job Than Mr. Milchick, and Why Mrs. Selvig Is So Bad at Recycling
Patricia Arquette on If Cobel Did a Better Job Than Mr. Milchick, and Why Mrs. Selvig Is So Bad at Recycling

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Patricia Arquette on If Cobel Did a Better Job Than Mr. Milchick, and Why Mrs. Selvig Is So Bad at Recycling

Patricia Arquette is really, really into the world of Severance. What she's really, really not into is discussing fan theories. Not because she doesn't care, rather because she cares too much to risk spoiling anything. In another world, Arquette might be racking up karma way down your Reddit rabbit hole. But in this world, Lumon (and Apple TV+) is listening. More from The Hollywood Reporter 'The Studio' Guest Star Martin Scorsese Thought a Scene Was "Wrong" But Didn't Want to Be a "Backseat Director," Says Creator 'Echo Valley' Review: Julianne Moore and Sydney Sweeney Star in Apple TV+'s Satisfyingly Tense Domestic Thriller Ted Sarandos' 'Studio' Appearance Is a Wink - And a Flex Here's the thing though: with all due respect to other terrific (and eligible) dramas like The White Lotus and The Diplomat, Severance deserves all of the Emmys. But first, it needs the votes. Part of that process includes putting talent front-and-center in the press. Fear not, fellow Outties, we've got you. Was season one or more of a challenge for you as an actor? I don't even know how to really parcel out the first season from the reality of the world of the first season. We were shooting during COVID. I got contact-traced, I don't know, six or seven times or something. So I ended up— I kept getting put alone in a room for like 10 days at a time, and I started to kind of lose my cool. We didn't have [vaccines] yet. We were all wearing those plastic masks. Nobody could see you smile. It was a very dystopian experience on the set. Should viewers be rooting for Cobel at this point? Do you want fans of the show to like her? I don't really care if they like you or not like you. I mean, people go through life making 'the bad guy,' making 'the good guy,' and then the bad guy's the good guy and the good guy's the bad guy. She just has to have her perspective on why she's doing what she's doing. We go through life looking at people in the certain way that we frame them, and then they say or do something, and we reframe them. And so I think that we're going to do the same thing with Cobel. Cobel is at a very weird precipice right now where it's like it really could go either way. She could go to supporting Mark and all those guys, sticking one to Lumon, or she could consolidate her power at Lumon, get more respect there and be in a more powerful position, like she had been at one point in time. Did Mrs. Selvig legitimately care for Mark Scout? Yeah. I mean, I approached Mrs. Selvig in many ways. Yes, I think both sides of her care about Mark and are interested in what he's doing, both personally but also academically. What she was surprised by with Mrs. Selvig was— she got to put down the laws of Lumon. So it's like, 'Oh, we're kind of chummy. Is this what it's like to be not indoctrinated into this? Is this how people make friends? We're real friends and we're going somewhere together and it's not to a Kier Remembrance Day.' So, yeah, I think there's a part of her that's really fascinated and comes alive, but it's awkward and uncomfortable because it doesn't really know what it's doing. It's also that weird mixture of stalker and friend…there's a weird energy to that. Why is she so bad at recycling? We definitely talked about making her fumbling, bumbling. To insinuate yourself into someone's life, the biggest manipulators act like the most innocent victims. The most dangerous manipulators act like they're just this sweet, innocent, couldn't-hurt-a-fly person. That really can be very scary. She's got some element of that, like, I have to disarm him by being the fumbling, bumbling aunt from next door. And, 'Oh, I need your help' and 'I'm an older woman than you' and 'Oh, you don't have to worry about me.' So there is a damsel in distress device. Did Cobel do a better job than Milchick? Oh yes, come on now! What kind of question is that? Yeah, I mean, I think that like such a horrible betrayal to her. Because she felt like he was under her tutelage. And even though she was a tough and mean kind of boss, sometimes she was doing it for his own good. And she was also weird in this way, of like, almost like a drill sergeant. They're supposed to be kind of mean. It's a little bit part of the protocol within Lumon — of the old school, especially that she came up in — there's a certain way of treating people you're training. But she's pretty sad that Milchick stabbed her in the back. That he usurped her. Why is the MDR team allowed to roam the halls of Lumon so freely? I've had that conversation also, a concern in a weird way, where the viewer would be like, 'Wait a minute, wouldn't [Cobel] have seen this? They're doing that — can't Cobel see that?' There's something about— I don't know, I don't want to give away things. What they do, informs. Also, here's the thing. I don't think Lumon was so aware of what Cobel was doing and experimenting with. They have a very fine, limited view of what they thought was going on in this experiment, which is not the same idea of the experiment as to what Cobel is doing. How did you come up with Cobel's unique affectation? I was like, watching Maude and all these weird shows. It was sort of a little bit of a tip of the hat to Bea Arthur. And this idea of, like, this world where upper management sounded a certain way. That power sounded a certain way. And maybe how that wouldn't quite be right — it wouldn't sound exactly authentic if it came from a poor kid who was looking up at this rich family, imagining what they sounded like, imagining what they talked like, imagining what this thing was. So, yeah, it's not completely authentic. But she also grew up in this school in a weird way, like with nuns, or with, you know, being indoctrinated by these kind of people who were zealots. So they sounded the most like this. This is her child interpretation of that. You're really into this world huh? I am really into it. But I have to say, Cobel is— she has a whole things going on on her own. She is not somebody who feels comfortable telling people, letting people in, or any of that. And yet she also has incredible hubris and is driven and convinced that she's right. So it's like, in a weird way, it's very lonely, because she's got her whole own agenda, and she doesn't share it with anybody. This might be a stupid question, but did you write any of Cobel's notebook? I love this question, actually. Oh, thank you. It's part of what I love so much about being in the movie business and all the different departments. Our prop department is off-the-hook insane accomplished. Cat (PMG Property Master Catherine Miller) is amazing. So, no. They actually hire people to write stuff. Like, 'I need 10 pages written about blah, blah, blah.' I've seen it throughout my career on different sets. On some, they're actually sticking with the agenda of what the scene is about. And some they're just writing shit so you're rifling through and they're like, 'It's 4 a.m. I'm so sick of this job. How many more pages left do I have to write?' They're pretty hilarious. But this— anything on [Severance] is really drilled-down right. You actually could focus on each page. You could print a book out of it. What they're coming up with and writing is really good. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity. Best of The Hollywood Reporter 'The Studio': 30 Famous Faces Who Play (a Version of) Themselves in the Hollywood-Based Series 22 of the Most Shocking Character Deaths in Television History A 'Star Wars' Timeline: All the Movies and TV Shows in the Franchise

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