Jamie Beaton's message for students caught in Trump's war on Harvard; TIN's Greg Shanahan shoots for his own tech export revenue
"Harvard was founded in 1636, has a US$53 billion endowment and will outlive any President" – Crimson founder Jamie Beaton.
Crimson founder Jamie Beaton is taking Trump's war on Harvard personally - but it also has potential to affect his business. He answers that threat, and also Crimson adviser Sir John Key's musing about him entering politics. TIN's Greg Shanahan – best known as the ranker of our tech exporters
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