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Drones are now key to winning wars. The US makes hardly any

Drones are now key to winning wars. The US makes hardly any

On a patch of dirt in the vast wilderness in Alaska, a long-range drone roared like a lawnmower as it shot into the sky. It scanned the ground for a target it had been programmed to recognise, and then dived, attempting to destroy it by crashing into it.
But it missed, landing about 25 metres away.
On another attempt, a drone nose-dived at launch. On a subsequent try, a drone crashed into a mountain.
These drones weren't flown by amateur hobbyists. They were launched by drone manufacturers paid by a special unit of the Department of Defence as part of an urgent effort to update US capabilities. For four days last month, they tested prototypes of one-way drones by trying to crash them into programmed targets, while soldiers tried to stop the drones with special electronic equipment.
'If we had to go to war tomorrow, do we have what we need? No.'
Trent Emeneker, Defence Innovation Unit
The exercise aimed to help American defence contractors and soldiers get better at drone warfare. But it illustrated some of the ways in which the US military could be unprepared for such a conflict.
The nation lags Russia and China in manufacturing drones, training soldiers to use them and defending against them, according to interviews with more than a dozen US military officials and drone industry experts.
'We all know the same thing. We aren't giving the American war fighter what they need to survive warfare today,' said Trent Emeneker, project manager of the Autonomy Portfolio at the military's Defence Innovation Unit, which organised the exercise in Alaska and paid for the development of the drone prototypes that flew there.
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'If we had to go to war tomorrow, do we have what we need? No. What we are trying to do is fix that.'
Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth has acknowledged that the country has fallen behind, and he announced a series of new policies and investments in drones that he vowed would close the gap.
In a video released on Thursday, he cited outdated rules and procurement processes as making it too difficult for commanding officers to buy drones and train their soldiers to use them.
'While our adversaries have produced millions of cheap drones,' he said, 'we were mired in bureaucratic red tape.'
The video came on the heels of an executive order signed by President Donald Trump last month called 'Unleashing American Drone Dominance', which directs federal agencies to fast-track approvals for American drone manufacturers and protect the US drone supply chain from 'undue foreign influence'.
But it will take time and money to grow a domestic industry capable of producing enough drones to meet the needs of the US military.
Although the United States has excelled in developing large, complex unmanned aircraft such as the Predator and Reaper drones, which cost tens of millions of dollars apiece, today's conflicts have been dominated by swarms of smaller, inexpensive drones that are largely produced with components from China.
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The Defence Department did not respond to requests for comment.
Drones have become a weapon of choice on modern battlefields. In the early days of the war in Ukraine, soldiers beat back the Russian invasion by adding deadly modifications to the Mavic, a drone sold to hobbyists by DJI, a Chinese company that is the world's largest drone manufacturer.
Versions of the Mavic cost between $US300 and $US5000 ($460 to $7650), according to online retailers.
DJI, of Shenzhen, China, accounts for about 70 per cent of all commercial drones sold globally for hobby and industrial use, such as aerial photography, package delivery and weather research. The privately held company sells its equipment to customers in the United States – there's even an authorised store on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan – but US law bars the military from buying Chinese drones.
The company declined to share market data, but industry experts estimate DJI's output far exceeds that of any other drone manufacturer.
Enter Silicon Valley investors who have been pouring money into American drone companies, anticipating that the Defence Department will place a large order for American-made drones.
Peter Thiel's Founders Fund has invested more than $US1 billion ($1.5 million) in Anduril Industries, an American defence technology company that specialises in advanced autonomous systems. Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr, joined the board of Unusual Machines, another US drone maker, last year.
About 500 companies manufacture drones in the United States, producing fewer than 100,000 a year, says Ryan Carver, communications manager for the Association for Uncrewed Vehicle Systems International, a non-profit organisation of industry professionals. But many are start-ups without a track record of production or sales. Founders jockey for the chance to show off their wares to military units that are beginning to work with drones. The changes Hegseth announced on Thursday, which make it easier for commanders to buy drones, will intensify that competition.
But the exercise in Alaska showed how hard it can be to develop homegrown drone capabilities.
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The first two days of testing were full of setbacks. Two companies were testing prototypes of a long-range unmanned craft that could fly for hours, navigate without GPS or a human operator, and crash into a target that it had been trained to recognise. They were among four finalists, out of more than 100 applicants, to get the money from the Defence Innovation Unit to develop the systems. Two other companies were set to test their prototypes in Ukraine.
The craft made by Dragoon, a start-up in Tucson, Arizona, experienced engine trouble and then issues with navigation. It failed to hit a target. But on the final day, it recognised a target – an M113 armoured personnel carrier – and swooped down to crash into it. The hit was considered a success, even though the target had not been the one intended.
'We have got a lot of work to do to make it operational, for sure,' said Jason Douglas, one of three co-founders of Dragoon. 'But those were huge steps.'
AeroVironment fared worse. At first, its drone failed to launch. Then one crashed into a mountain after its navigation system was blocked, narrowly missing a group of soldiers who stood with their jamming equipment. Although one of its drones flew long distances and successfully crashed into a target with the help of GPS, the prototype never hit a target once its GPS was blocked.
Paul Frommelt, a spokesperson for the company, noted the exercise was a chance to collect data on 'an experimental variant of one of our products'.
The soldiers who participated in the exercise, most of them from the Electromagnetic Warfare Platoon of the Army's 11th Airborne Division, experienced their own problems.
On a mountaintop, they set up six tall electronic jammers, which looked like slender microphones attached to black tripods. They emitted radio signals intended to overpower the signals sent by the drone operators. But those jammers – some of which were designed more than a decade ago to fight the war on terror – had hardly any effect. Neither did the backpacks containing newer drone-disarming equipment that some soldiers wore.
The team had a drone-buster, too – a huge gunlike device that looked like something from the movie Ghostbusters. But no one bothered to try it. 'That thing never worked,' one man said.
Over time, the soldiers improved. By the fourth day of the exercise, they had figured out how to use their jamming equipment more effectively. A black suitcase-sized box called a Magpie worked particularly well, they said.
But Lieutenant Colonel Scott Smith, director for the non-lethal effects section of the 11th Airborne Division, said the exercise highlighted how much more work Americans needed to do to prepare for a conflict involving drones.
'Their equipment just doesn't have the desired effect against the latest technology,' he said.
Chris Bonzagni, a drone industry consultant with Contact Front Technologies who helped put on the Alaska test, said many of the American drones that were initially delivered to Ukraine failed on the battlefield because they were outdated or easily jammed by the Russians.
'In Ukraine, the companies delivering tech to the war fighters are with them all the time, observing firsthand what is working and what is not,' he said. Ukraine has also become a drone-making hub because its soldiers and engineers are forced to master drone technology to survive, something Americans have not experienced yet.
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The Kremlin says threats to penalise countries that trade with Russia are illegal. with DPA and AP Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Donald Trump will meet and it could possibly take place next week at a venue that has been decided, the Kremlin says. "At the suggestion of the American side, an agreement was essentially reached to hold a bilateral meeting at the highest level in the coming days, that is, a meeting between President Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump," Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said. "We are now beginning concrete preparations together with our American colleagues," he added in televised comments. Next week is the target date for a summit, Ushakov said, while noting that such events take time to organise. The possible venue will be announced "a little later," he said. A meeting between the two presidents would be their first since Mr Trump returned to office this year. 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‘You can't cancel the soul': Jon Batiste on Stephen Colbert and the end of The Late Show
‘You can't cancel the soul': Jon Batiste on Stephen Colbert and the end of The Late Show

Sydney Morning Herald

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‘You can't cancel the soul': Jon Batiste on Stephen Colbert and the end of The Late Show

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