John Lithgow on JK Rowling's trans stance backlash: 'She's handled it fairly gracefully'
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John Lithgow is a man well aware of cancel culture and its ability to destroy careers in the blink of an eye.
The Oscar-nominated actor tells Sky News: "It is terrible to be so careful about what you say. Even in an interview like this. It goes into the world, and you can get misconstrued and misrepresented and cancelled in [the click of a finger]."
It's a theme that runs parallel with his latest work - the stage show Giant - which through the lens of one explosive day in children's author Roald Dahl 's life, poses the question, should we look for moral purity in our artists?
The writer of great works including The Witches, Matilda and The BFG, Dahl revolutionised children's literature with his irreverent approach, inspiring generations of readers and selling hundreds of millions worldwide. But his legacy is conflicted.
Lithgow describes Dahl as "a man with great charm, great wit and literary talent. A man who really cared about children and loved them. But a man who carried a lot of demons."
Specifically, the play - which explores Palestinian rights versus antisemitism - deals with the fallout from controversial comments the children's author made over the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Its themes couldn't be more timely.
Lithgow explains: "Things are said in the play that nobody dares to say out loud… But God knows this is a complicated and contradictory issue."
'It didn't start as an idea about Roald Dahl at all'
So controversial are some of the play's themes, the 79-year-old star admits his own son warned him: "Prepare yourself. There'll be demonstrations in Sloane Square outside the Royal Court Theatre."
Indeed, the play's first run carried an audience warning flagging "antisemitic language; graphic descriptions of violence; emotional discussion of themes including conflict in the Middle East, Israel and Palestine; and strong language".
But it didn't put audiences off. Following a sold-out run at the Royal Court, the role won Lithgow an Olivier. Now, it's transferring to London's West End.
The play was written by Mark Rosenblatt, a seasoned theatre director but debut playwright.
He tells Sky News: "It didn't start as an idea about Roald Dahl at all. It was about the blurring of meaningful political discourse with racism, specifically when, in 2018, the inquiry into antisemitism in the Labour Party started to come out."
Rosenblatt describes Dahl's Revolting Rhymes and Dirty Beasts as the "wallpaper" of his childhood, and says he had no desire to "smash the Roald Dahl pinata".
But despite the fond recollections, he was conflicted: "Understanding that [Dahl] also, possibly, didn't like someone like me because I'm Jewish felt complicated." It was Rosenblatt's exploration of "how you hold those two things at the same time" that led to Dahl becoming the play's focus.
'He's not cancelled in our home'
Rosenblatt describes him as "a complex man, capable of great compassion, great passionate defence of oppressed people, and also incapable of enormous cruelty and manipulation. He was many things at once".
And as for Dahl's place in his life now? Rosenblatt says: "I still read his books to my kids. He's certainly not cancelled in our home."
It's likely that Dahl's comments, if uttered today, would lead to swift social media condemnation, but writing in a pre-social media age, the judgment over his words came at a much slower pace.
Dahl died in 1990, and his family later apologised for antisemitic remarks he made during his lifetime. But the debate of whether art can be separated from the artist is still very much alive today.
Earlier this month, Lithgow found himself drawn into a different row over artists and their opinions - this time concerning author JK Rowling.
'A matter of nuance'
Soon to play Dumbledore in the Harry Potter TV series, he has been criticised by some fans for working with the author known for her gender critical beliefs.
Lithgow told Sky News: "It's a question I'm getting asked constantly. I suppose I should get used to that, but JK Rowling has created an amazing canon of books for kids…
"I have my own feelings on this subject. But I'm certainly not going to hesitate to speak about it. Just because I may disagree... It's a matter of nuance… I think she's handled it fairly gracefully."
The actor ignored calls not to take the role.
He goes on: "Honestly, I'd rather be involved in this than not. And if I'm going to speak on this subject, I'm speaking from inside this project and very much a partner with JK Rowling on it."
Demanding an eight-year commitment and a move to the UK for the part, the stakes are high.
And with a legion of Harry Potter fans watching on from the wings, only time will tell if the Lithgow-Rowling partnership will prove a magical one.
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