Trump says he's 'not joking' about a possible 3rd term. The Constitution bars it, scholars say
"I'm not joking," he told NBC News "Meet the Press" moderator Kristen Welker in a phone interview on Sunday, before adding it was "far too early to think about it."
"There are methods which you could do it," Trump said, including a scenario in which Vice President JD Vance ran at the top of the 2028 ticket with Trump as his running mate, only for Trump to assume the Oval Office after the election.
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Legal and election experts told ABC News any attempt to win another four years as president would be an unprecedented breach of the Constitution.
"Trump may not want to rule out a third term but the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution does," said David Schultz, a professor at Hamline University and an expert in constitutional law.
The amendment states, in part: "No person shall be elected to the office of the president more than twice."
It was ratified in 1951, years after President Franklin D. Roosevelt broke with the two-term tradition set by George Washington and secured a third term as World War II was breaking out.
"It would be completely unprecedented for a president to openly defy the dictates of the 22nd Amendment and, even more so, to attempt to run or serve again as president," said Michael Gerhardt, a constitutional expert at the University of North Carolina.
"The threats and insinuations no doubt thrill his base, but there is no constitutional basis for the current president to try to serve as president after two elected terms," Gerhardt said.
The only way legal way for Trump to be able to run for a third term, experts said, would be to amend the Constitution -- an incredibly unlikely outcome as it would take two-thirds of both the House and Senate, or two-thirds of the states agreeing to call a constitutional convention. Then, any change would require three-fourths of the states to sign on for ratification.
"This statement by Trump was brilliant in terms of capturing and diverting attention," said Schultz. "His supporters love it and his detractors will rage over it. In the process, no one will talk about the price of eggs, tariffs and a shaky stock market."
As for Trump's claim that one of the "methods" could be to run as Vance's vice president and then be passed the baton, experts point to the 12th Amendment from 1804 as a barrier.
"The 12th Amendment states that anyone who is ineligible to be president is also deemed to be illegible to serve as vice president," said Barry Burden, the director of the Elections Research Center at University of Wisconsin-Madison. "This means that Trump could not serve as vice president, which is the post he would need for the Vance scheme to be executed."
Steve Bannon, a fierce Trump ally, has also floated what he's called alternatives to allow Trump to run in 2028.
Bannon, in remarks at the New York Young Republican Club gala in December, has argued that he could run again as Trump's two terms in office were not consecutive.
"Since it doesn't actually say consecutive, I don't know, maybe we do it again in '28? Are you guys down for that? Trump '28?" Bannon said.
Schultz said that argument doesn't have a sound legal basis.
"The overall limit of serving as president for ten years is both textual proof on the bar to run for a third term and an indication of the intent of the congressional drafters that they did not want anyone serving for more than two terms," Schultz said.
He added that measure "was put into place to allow for a situation where a president dies more than halfway into a term and the vice president succeeds that person. The Constitution thereby allows for the vice president to serve out the remaining term and then serve two more terms, for a total of ten years."
Trump has already tested the bounds of the Constitution governing presidential power several times in the first months of his second term.
Several Democrats viewed his comments on Sunday as another escalation against the rule of law. Democratic National Committee Chair Ken Martin wrote on X: "This is what dictators do."
In the past, Republicans have largely played off Trump's musings about a third term as a joke intended to rile his opposition. But just days after his inauguration, Republican hardliner Rep. Andy Ogles introduced a resolution calling for the extension of presidential term limits to allow Trump to seek another four years in the White House.
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"A crisis could arise if Trump runs for president or vice president in 2028," Burden said. "The Constitution prohibits serving in office but not running for office. If Republicans nominated him, they would be betting that they can violate the Constitution and somehow allow him to serve if he wins."
If Trump attempted to run, it would be up to election officials and then ultimately the courts to decide. This played out in the 2024 campaign, when several states challenged his eligibility to seek the Republican presidential nomination under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment due to his actions around the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. The legal battle went to the Supreme Court, which ruled in Trump's favor.
"If an ineligible person such as Trump is permitted to run knowing that he is not eligible to serve, it is a dangerous collision course in which the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law would be seriously tested," Burden said.
James Sample, a constitutional law expert at Hofstra University, said Trump would lose in court should he attempt to run again.
"Most of the Constitution is written in broad, textured, difficult to define terms. What is a speedy trial? What is cruel and unusual punishment? What is equal protection? How much process is due process? The 22nd Amendment, however, is black and white," Sample said.
"But if you can succeed in turning questions that are that clear-cut into debates, then the overall goal of undermining the Constitution and undermining the rule of law and maximizing executive power is served even if you lose the particular battle," he continued. "This particular battle is not a winnable battle. He is not going to serve a third term, but merely by framing this as a debate, he will succeed in further eroding respect for the Constitution."
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