
Owen Doyle: Rugby players seem to think they can interrogate referees. It needs to stop
'If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same . . .'
At some stage in our lives, many of us have found inspiration and comfort in Rudyard Kipling's wondrous poem, If. Maybe Leo Cullen has too.
Leinster
have had their fair measure of disasters over the last few years, with nothing to show on the triumph side of the balance sheet. Losing finals and semi-finals by small margins has been bitter medicine. Not to mention the penalty try that went missing in the
Champions Cup semi-final against Northampton
.
Through all of this, Cullen has remained calm, dignified, not once trying to lay the blame at the door of any match official. Not publicly anyway. It's doubtful I was alone in forecasting that the trophy would be heading south of the equator. Unusually,
it's quite a pleasure to have been proved wrong
.
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It wasn't just a win, it was a performance of the highest quality where everything clicked.
The normally powerful Bulls had no answer
. The coach of the San Francisco 49ers, the great Bill Walsh, entitled his leadership book The Score Takes Care of Itself. That's precisely what happened.
Now here's a key question. Can the scrum spoil the
Lions
series? The short answer is yes, but there are a few relevant reasons that might provide a glimmer of hope. We have seen too many top-class matches badly impacted by illegal scrummaging, including the URC final and, for good measure, the English Premiership final.
However, Lions coach Andy Farrell and Australia counterpart Joe Schmidt both favour positive play, with Farrell's men likely having the stronger scrum. So, for example, on the Lions put-in, let's hope the intention will be to play the ball away, not to try and pulverise the opposition to win a penalty.
On Australian ball, legitimate disruptive actions, including pushing straight, should be ordained. World Rugby elite referee manager, Joel Jutge, is bound to have had discussions with the two coaches with a view to working out an agreed scrummaging modus operandi.
Failing that, the appointed referees can help the situation, as well as themselves, by being stronger with scrum decisions.
'This is not what we agreed before the game,' said referee Andrea Piardi as he reset yet another scrum during the URC final. If it isn't what was agreed, by all means tell them, but don't omit a necessary accompanying sanction. Later on, with only eight minutes left, he was still appealing for good behaviour.
Otherwise, Piardi had a good match. None of his decisions affected anything very much, certainly not the clear-cut result. It was not the dog-eat-dog fight that had been widely anticipated.
It was also important that there was no controversy; there has been far too much of it during the season. There have been some poor refereeing performances for long enough and it is a dreadful blot on the URC landscape. The clubs should be up on the rooftops, shouting 'enough'.
Leinster's Jack Conan speaks to referee Andrea Piardi during the URC final against Bulls. Photograph: Ben Brady/Inpho
Piardi is not alone in bringing trouble to his own doorstep by having long conversations with players who are all too keen to disagree with decisions.
Players, not just the captains, are constantly appealing, even though they know perfectly well why the call has been made. It's happening far too much and getting worse. Referees are being subjected to interrogations, with players also pointing to real or imagined offences by their opponents. It will be interesting to see how this stuff is handled in the Lions series.
Piardi will referee the second Lions test – the first Italian to do so. Molte congratulazioni.
He will have an uncomfortable time if he allows players to be consistently in his ear. Piardi must keep his chat to concise, precise explanations and not be drawn into debates. Referees should only deal with the captain. It is clear that match officials have overdone their desire to be seen as the players' understanding friend. That approach is now backfiring.
Then there is the TMO. How will that operate on the Lions tour? The Premiership final saw it reach new levels of interruption. The TMO, Ian Tempest, cooked up a different storm by bringing several, very marginal issues to Karl Dickson's attention. These took an age to conclude and could just as easily have been decided the other way around.
Referee Karl Dickson points towards Dan Cole of Leicester Tigers before issuing a yellow card during the Premiership final. Photograph:One of these was farcical. The question was whether or not Leicester's Nicky Smith, on the ground under his own posts, had deliberately handled the ball. Solomon was needed to apply his wisdom to this one, but not so easy for a mere referee. Dickson took a long time to find in favour of Smith. Tempest also asked the referee to take a look at Dan Cole thumping late into Russell and the resulting yellow card raised another debate. Cole's coach, Michael Cheika, was livid.
The wise referee rule-of-thumb, that only the clear and obvious should be sanctioned, must also apply to TMO intrusions. Otherwise, silence please.
Then there is the intolerance of coaches towards match officials' mistakes. If there is a fingertip knock-on in the build up to a vital try, which is only seen afterwards, then the affected team's coach will blow an almighty fuse; we see it often enough. What a pity that rugby's Corinthian spirit has long since left the building.

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His personality (stereotypical gruff Kiwi) was also at odds with creating the right spirit to mould four cultures into one over a short sense of 'humour' veered more towards put-down than punchline, which quickly created a gap between the head coach and his players that was never bridged. And, to top it off, Henry's coaching philosophy — in tandem with his equally intense assistants Andy Robinson and Phil Larder — was to work the players into the ground, to the point where injuries proved corrosive and players clearly ran out of juice as the tour progressed. Austin Healey playing for the Lions against the ACT Brumbies in 2001. Pic: Dave Rogers/Allsport The 2001 Lions tour documentary is highly watchable (the last one that is) and it is clear from that account just what a slog it all seems mad now in the era of micro-managed media but, back in 2001, players were allowed to produce newspaper columns that did not need to be cleared by managementEnglish scrum-halves Matt Dawson and Austin Healey were two who had such columns and both laid into the touring experience with the coaching, and Henry in particular, getting a proper kicking. The passage of time has not lessened the sense of just how 'off' it all was and, just to add to the 'what were we thinking?' vibe over appointing Henry, four years later he coached the All Blacks to a 3-0 series romp against the Lions. All Black match captain Richie McCaw and coach Graham Henry during the All Blacks captain's run at Lansdowne Road in 2005. Pic:Perhaps Henry's rank unsuitability for the 2001 task was summed up by a speech he gave on that tour, captured on the tour documentary, in an attempt to motivate his spoke about how the Lions were not respected or rated in Australia and New Zealand, how people did not think they were skilful enough, fit enough or strong enough.'And I should know,' Henry concluded, 'because I am one of them.' Inspiring stuff. Lions coach Ian McGeechan (centre) in 2009. Pic:After the 2005 calamity, there was a lot of pressure on the Lions heading to South Africa four years later. 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