Trump May Get His ‘Big Beautiful Bill,' but the G.O.P. Will Pay a Price
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Michelle Cottle: I'm Michelle Cottle and I cover national politics for Times Opinion. So with the July 4 weekend looming, I thought we'd talk about a different kind of fireworks: that is, President Trump's 'big, beautiful bill' and as always, I hope the air quotes there are audible for everybody.
But that bill looks like it is on track for passage. From Medicaid cuts to tax breaks for the rich, it is a lot. Thankfully with me to talk about this is David Leonhardt, the fearless director of the New York Times editorial board, who has some very pointed thoughts on the matter. So let's just get to it. David, welcome.
David Leonhardt: Thank you, Michelle. It's great to be talking with you.
Cottle: I'm so excited, but warning to all: We are recording on Monday midday and even as we speak, the Senate is brawling its way through to a final vote. So the situation is fluid and could change the details by the time you all hear this.
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