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For 50 years, Alan Adler had one job – to keep Melbourne's analogue photo booths alive

For 50 years, Alan Adler had one job – to keep Melbourne's analogue photo booths alive

It was on Broadway in New York City, in 1925, when a man named Anatol Josepho patented and operated the first coin-operated self-printing public photo booth.
Back then, the cubical machines that people entered to enjoy a few minutes of privacy, covered by drapery on one side, did not have a "specific usage".
A hundred years later, their numbers faded amid digitisation with only approximately 200 operating photo booths left in the world.
Melbourne is home to seven of them, thanks to a man called Alan.
At a gallery space in Melbourne, attached to white four-metre-high walls, hundreds of photo strips of a smiling man with wavy hair line the horizon like a pixelated timeline.
As you follow on, the man ages, skin steadily wrinkling, but his grin remains.
Ms Langford said the exhibition "Auto-Photo: A Life in Portraits" celebrates the life of Alan Adler who, for decades, was the sole keeper of Melbourne's analogue photo booths — notably the one on Flinders Street.
The exhibition zooms into Alan's life through black and white, and sometimes coloured, snaps and photo strips.
Alan, who died earlier this year aged 92, would start work at 6:30am to check his photo booths, printing hundreds of his own photo strips as a part of a test run.
"Alan Adler's archive [is] where … hundreds of strips show him aging across 50 years. So, we've had to hang every single one of those individually," Ms Langford, who has been working on the exhibition for more than a year, said.
Ms Langford said she was one of the "fortunate" few who has met Alan in person to talk and write about his story.
A book that shares the name of the exhibition has also been published to honour Alan's life and the individuals around him who have committed to keeping Melbourne's photo-booth tradition alive.
The publisher of the book, Perimeter Editions, told the ABC 1,500 copies have been sold in Australia and internationally so far.
In the lead up to the exhibition, work has been busy for Chris Sutherland and Jess Norman, who are the current custodians of Melbourne's seven working photo booths.
The exhibition involved reviving what was left of Melbourne's operating photo booths, years of mentorship with Alan himself, and compiling a collection of photo strips dating back from up to 50 years ago.
Ms Norman and Mr Sutherland said they gave up their nine-to-five jobs to continue Alan's business venture and "wouldn't have it any other way".
Ms Norman said at his peak, Alan ran a total of 16 photo booths all by himself.
"It's a mammoth task," she said.
Mr Sutherland said Alan would have been doing the same job for decades alone, even after the industry started to dwindle.
"This exhibition was celebrating the man behind the curtain … the man that made all that happen."
One of the goals of the exhibition, Ms Norman said, was to reunite "lost strips" to their real owners.
There have been about 250 unclaimed photo strips found over the years, which are on display at the exhibition.
Nine out of 10 times, strips are left because patrons may have forgotten their photo strips on the strip holder, or the photo booth encounters an issue.
"There's a couple of hundred moving parts within the machine … for something that's 50 years old, on the odd occasion something can go wrong."
The couple said people can claim their long-lost photographs after the exhibition ends.
"They will need to contact us and then we will contact them for the retrieval of their strips and proof that it is them," Ms Norman said.
Ms Langford believes Melbourne's photo booth culture will live on for more decades to come.
In a progressively digital world, she said photo strips are mementos that offer a sense of tangibility.
"It's a very one-off moment that's kind of held forever."
Auto-Photo: A Life in Portraits is an exhibition by the Centre of Contemporary Photography (CCP) and is held at the RMIT Gallery until August 16.

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In and the commercials come on and think, Oh, bloody commercials. I'm going to put the kettle on, but I'll follow them out of the room all the way to the kitchen, and they can still hear that bloody spotlight out, you know? And that's just, who knows? It's not something I'm doing, it's only something that is about the tone of my voice, or something about the way my voice resonates on that electronic, recorded medium, okay, okay, that makes sense. In my 30s, when I started to do more theater, my voice started to change. But there was something else that I'd been doing for a long time, too. I had been listening and capturing for my memories, my memory bag of voices, how people speak. 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But if you listen to my work, you probably wouldn't hear this voice at all, because every script requires a different way of speaking, depending on who I'm talking to and what I'm trying to sell on behalf of the clients, not me selling it. I'm just the messenger. And, you know, what? What do they want? What, what, and what am I trying to convince them of? So, you know, that's how it really grew and changed. And all of a sudden I thought, oh, gosh, I've, I've got a bit of a career here doing this, and I love it. It's amazing. Rune Pedersen: It's definitely super interesting. It is, how do you create a character? Because I'm saying that because I've so I've done some theater and improv theater in my past, right? And I sort of, I'm not saying I'm great at it. I'm just saying I learned that. You know, to create characters on stage, there's a trick you could do, and that was to lead with a body part. So for example, now I can lead with my teeth here. And I don't know what's gonna come out, but I can. I'm leaning, leaning my head forward, my neck forward, and then suddenly my teeth are sitting here, now and now. Now, I'm talking a little bit like this, yes. So now I'm a character named I bend over forward, and suddenly I'm, I don't know now, I'm age, yeah, I'm different age now, right? And I'm this person, and my whole sort of body is changed. And, yeah, how do you go about? It's very Abbe: similar. Because, of course, it's different, if it's theater and it's the 100% you so it really is lead from the lead from the head, lead from the nose, lead from the chest. You know, it's all of those kinds of things are useful for creating a character. But when you get into into voice over, or animation, or anything like that, first of all, you know, in animation, you begin with a graphic of the character you're voicing. So a lot of the clues will come from the body or the face, especially the mouth, you know, like if you've got a little little, okay, so we've got a little old man, and he's just got a little, tiny, windy mouth, and he's just not very expressive, if you know what I mean. So that's the character. Then you capture the character the same with a girl who's got a big lips, big red cheeks, great big eyes. She's so bright. You know, you just can't, you just can't knock it. Really, she's so amazing. I see the character. So I look at the picture and I see the character, I think, well, what kind of voice am I going to create that is believably coming out of that mouth. But when you're doing a voiceover, where you're just the disembodied voice, you actually in the commercial world. I was slipped from animation to commercials. In the commercial world, it's your job to actually do all of the stuff that an a visual would do. You have to actually voice a visual, you know, and that's called voice that is voice acting. Voice over is just a voice over a commercial. Voice acting is done on probably only the key words and key phrases in that commercial. I'll give you an instance, right? I think of a line from a commercial. It's for a bank. I remember it because it's an existing commercial. First of all, read the line just as a voiceover. If you're feeling anxious about getting a home loan, that's just a part of it, right? That was me just just reading it. But there's a word in that line, anxious, and that's the emotional word, and so you feel it. So if you're being anxious about getting a home loan, then that's like the person out there listening on the other so the radio, yeah, that's me. I'm anxious about getting the right home loan, whereas before, if you're feeling anxious about getting the right home loan, there's not enough weight on the really important word that's going to engage the listener. So you know that's really what what we're doing in voiceover, because, of course, we're talking to in the commercial world, a half listening audience. Nobody wants to hear the commercials boring. They just tune out unless the voiceover artist can use the language, in a sense, a facsimile of the way they speak or the way they hear things, and capture their attention, because the advertiser is only interested in the people who are the commercial is for, you know. So we have to use that technique, and most scripts are written to capture us in the very first line. I call it the bait phrase, right? The very first line of a script where what you will hear is often who we are, who you're speaking from or behalf of, or this is in a kind of announcer style script. And then what the problem is, because there's a thing in advertising, there's a wonderful strategy. It's called the problem solution technique, right? And is, first of all, they present the problem, and then they they tell you the solution, and that's how they capture you. In 15 seconds. You want me to do you a version. I'll do an ad that I made up years ago. Yeah. Rune Pedersen: Oh, this is a made up one. Abbe: This is a made up it's not a real ad, but just just to show you, and this will be very recognisable to people. So this is, this is actually capturing the facsimiles of the way that we use language when we're feeling a certain way. And so commercials are written around that a lot. So the thing about the the way we we are in life is if we're feeling unhappy, we use a lot of downward inflections, like in an instant psycho Oh, hi. How are you? Oh, not too good. I actually slipped off the curb and I've broken my ankle. Downward inflection two weeks later. Oh, hi. How are you? Oh, yeah, great, great. I got the plaster off my ankle the other day. Upward inflection. So it's totally different thing. So problem, solution, that structure follows those same things. So here's a little pretending ad with a product. Do you suffer from dry, flaky skin, downward inflection? I do, and I have done for years, and I couldn't find anything to get rid of it all problem. Can you hear all those downward inflections? Yeah. Now if you suffer from dry, flaky skin, you will be listening now, yeah, that's Rune Pedersen: kind of neutral, almost right now, like now the announcer is almost neutral. Yeah, that's Abbe: right, exactly. Well, supposed to be natural. This is supposed to be conversational, rather than announcer. It's like a real person. Do you suffer from dry flaky skin? I do, and I have done for years, and I couldn't find anything to get rid of it. Solution. Then I discovered dry flaky skin off. I've been using it for two weeks, and my dry flaky skin is all gone. See how it goes from not only problem sad, I can hear and in and in advertising, it's like problem really, really sad and solution really, really happy. And so because you've got that half listening audience, you have to find a way to just go, yeah. And so they'll go, oh, dry, flaky, skin off. Must get some sold it. Yeah, so understanding that as a voice over artist is really important, because we are mimicking the way people actually behave in life. I think what voice Good, good voice over artists understand is that this is not about reading words. That's not the way we speak. So we have to find ways to get through the language and sort out which parts of that sentence are the most important parts, and we run things together. I mean, you could say things like, I'm going to the city today. Okay, I am going to the city today. That doesn't sound like a real person speaking. We don't speak like that. No, I am needs a contraction. That means it can become I'm that's natural. That's why we sit. We don't say I am going. We say I'm going, or I'm gone. I am going to the city today, to we don't say to in natural speak, I'm going to the city, to I'm going to the city, so it's very light. I'm going to the city just sounds like I'm speaking, and it sounds like everybody else speaking. So unless you can understand that, then you are not that is not how people speak. It's not how humans speak. Rune Pedersen: So what do you do then, as a voiceover artist, and a script lands on your desk, because I would imagine that you would have some poorly written scripts, yeah, what do you do? Abbe: Getting a bad script is difficult. It still happens to me. It doesn't. Come from commercial area. It comes from the non commercial area. So it will come from a small company doesn't have a budget very don't want to use a studio. Want to get a voice artist who can do it from their home studio, and just send it to them. And you will get the script you're saying, oh my goodness, it's full of work. It'll say, and whilst you are looking at our store, you will discover, you know, it's like, who says whilst anymore? So you'll get that kind of writing. You'll get ambiguity. It's like, well, what does that actually mean? It could mean two things. So also very long, and it's the words that you don't need. And as a writer, of course, that's one of my bents, going back to edit my writing and getting rid of all the words you don't need, and they'll look at a sentence and I'll take out six words that just superfluous. We don't just don't need them there for the message. And so that can be one of the really big problems with the script. And often you will get a client who says, no, no, just read it as it is. Boy, that's a hard one, because now I must make clunky language sound like that's absolutely natural to me, and this is actually the way I speak. Boring, yeah, so, and that can be really challenging. So those scripts can be very challenging for the the uninitiated of I guess I'll say that. I mean, I know how to look at a script, or also know how to say to that client, I do it. When I speak this line, I say, does that sound a bit clunky to you? There may be something to do with grammar. Now, grammar is a funny thing in voiceover, because there are grammar rules. Yeah, that's all fine, but sometimes the wrong piece of grammar will sound right. So sometimes you have to question, you know, I know this grammar is correct, but it's sounding wrong, or I know the grammar is wrong but it's sounding sounding Correct. You know, so little things like that. So you really have to work with somebody, because often they will have written the script and never heard it off the page. So now we'll talk about the conversion of written word into spoken word. So that's a very different thing. There's a huge gap between written word and spoken word. For one thing, written word is written with punctuation. You know, there are commas and full stops and all kinds of little things in there that you know, we have to have as all we use as a convention in written word, but when you're converting it to spoken word, we do not speak in punctuation. I mean, I just ignored a full stop. Can stop in the sentence whenever I want to. You know what? I mean, it's that kind of thing. Yeah. So that's hard to to follow. You never, ever follow punctuation or use punctuation to guide you. As a voiceover artist, you always question it. Oh, should that comma be there? Oh, no, I think it should be actually there. That makes more sense to pause it, or I need to add a pause there. So I'll put a comma there. You know, where you wouldn't have written it that way, but you need to perform it that way. As a voice artist, so Rune Pedersen: when you're done sitting with this commercial task and there, there might not be a character, right? Like, as in, when you're doing a voiceover for an animation that's already character, do you then create a character for the brand? Like, in, in your head, in a way, like, these are the values. This is how they look. This is the feel. Yeah, Abbe: That still occurs to me, but I've always done it any script. No, there are probably some scripts I don't which are much more announcer style, much more stylized writing, but if it is something very naturalistic and it's more like a conversation, then I will sometimes feel that I am. I'm actually looking at the script, and I'm reading through the words. I know the words, I'm familiar with them, but I'm looking at the words you never learn the lines and say them. You're always staying with the words. That's where your focus has to be. And in my head, I'm imagining the character who does not look like me. It's almost like I'm working a marionette or a puppet, right? So that is the character. And of course, the characters don't have to look anyway. Specifically, they just have to be not me. Rune Pedersen: And now a quick trip to the production booth where recordings, translations, deadlines and delusion often collide. Stefan: Here's your script. It's exactly 15 seconds. We don't have a budget to go over. Nothing complicated. Just translate it literally into Danish. Add Local charm, double the jokes, halve the words, and make it faster, but importantly, slower. Rune Pedersen: So, so you want me to you want me to translate this now that's going to be twice as long. Are you even paying me for this? Stefan: Mate, that's above my pay grade? Just make sure that Dutch will find it delicious. I need a mix and a master by the end of the day. Stefan: We're re recording sound sultry. Go. You. Abbe: It's a translation that runs over then because it because you are actually translating purely the language into the other language, and it runs too long. That is really about rewrite the script or or look at now what the script says in translated language and shrink that, you know? I mean, that's what has to happen. I would imagine I've done a lot of dubbing as a voiceover artist, done a lot of dubbing off foreign films where you're actually working in the studio and you can see the character, and it may be, a lot of Asian films get voiced in Australia for the American market. So we're often doing American accents, but what they do is, we use a tool, and as soon as the person starts speaking, you see the little little like a little red thing on the on the screen, because you're watching the person, and you've got your lines underneath it on on the screen, so you see them, so you're watching the person and how their mouth moves. I mean, I've seen some shows that have been dubbed into English, and it's amazing how succinct it all is, but if you listen to it without the translation, you'll get a very different reading and different language being used. Do you try Rune Pedersen: to emulate the mouth movements, well, as much Abbe: as you can. And that's what the translator has done. Has said, Well, I have to say, you know, I'm not going to get there. That's what the person is saying. I'm not going to get there. But she takes a long time to say I'm not going to get there in Korean. And what we have to say is I don't think I'm going to get there. You know what? I mean? There will have to be some other and you will look at the mouth, you will look at what works with it, and there's a lot of beats and pauses and breaths, so you have to kind of something will be sped up, and something will go a little slower. So there's that kind of work. So it's really finessing that Rune Pedersen: that speech, because it all has to fit into the character as well. Abbe: And of course, you have to be in character, yeah? So if it's a young girl, or it's a child, or it's a you know, I mean, you get that kind of work if you're versatile and you can handle multiple characters. And it's great. Works, really interesting. I like it because it's such a big challenge. It's a very challenging kind of work. Rune Pedersen: So when we when we talk about the power of ads, right, there's this seductive element to ads and the way you're talking, you could even call it manipulation, like, are you trying to make us want something, or what do you see a role? Abbe: Well, it's true, seduction and manipulation. I use that term a lot because that is actually what's happening with advertising. It is seduction and manipulation. I mean, the seduction is really in often, the choice of the voice. It is seductive for young girls to listen to a voice that sounds just like them. That's a seduction, okay, the manipulation is the purely the language that's used that actually will make you want something, because it says kind of like, if you get this, this will happen. It's that sort of, it's the language of manipulation, you know, wow. Okay, okay, so there's two separate things. So there is seduction and manipulation. They're both working in tandem, but they're sort of coming from different places. It's quite Rune Pedersen: interesting that the seduction is in the in the recognition of oneself. Abbe: We're thinking about it more of I'm I'm like, you way, so I'm pulling you into my gang. You are part of something that that you want to be or have or do, and that's really the way advertising works in that seductive way. Yeah. Rune Pedersen: Okay, okay, so when I hear you talk and you change over to these voices like you're sounding like very authentic. How do you do that as a voice actor when it's like, the 12th time you're doing it? Because I would imagine, like, you have to redo it again and again sometimes. Yeah, Abbe: so the idea is that the first time you do it, you get it off the page and you hear it, you start to it's really important that you develop an ear for what the sound of this language is, and always, always put another person in the room with you. So you're always talking to somebody. It's not about you. It's not about you know, you're delivering the message to an audience. The whole thing, the whole process, is a building thing. You build on, and you build it and you build it, and it's like, it's like every thing is almost like a rehearsal. Now you want to start just subtly bending parts of words, parts of the language, a line a little faster, an upward inflection, instead of a neutral inflection at the end of a line. I mean, in voiceover, there are three inflections, the upward inflection, the neutral inflection. And and the downward inflection, you see how different they are, and we use those in life all the time. They're the sort of but if, if it doesn't match in voiceover, it will sound wrong. We just won't, won't Rune Pedersen: to the ear. How can you carry those elements as a, as a, as a voice actor, into your natural speech in in in sort of spontaneous moment. I Abbe: think it really just does. It takes focus that that's what you want to do. You say, I recognize that this is kind of not working and sounding a little bit blah or a bit samey. You know, it's, it's about understanding that when you're 100% rune, when you're just 100% you, yeah, it's charming, charismatic, all that sort of stuff. No, it's not a problem, because I'm looking right at you, right? But when it is just your voice, you need to apply that. So in a sense, you have to put a performance cloak on. You know you are being a performer. So you have to find a way to perform more. You Rune Pedersen: Abby, when you're when you're handed a script for an ad, what's the first thing you look for? Abbe: So it's always about looking for what's important in this message. The message is full of a whole lot of words, so 15 seconds worth of words, not all of them are important. You know, the key words and key phrases is what you have to look for. So looking for those and working out how you're going to play them and what you're going to put under them, whether there's an attitude, you know, it's like that, that bank thing you're feeling anxious about getting the right home loan. It's that same thing. It's that same attention to just some words, you know, I mean, some scripts say it's seductive, or you wouldn't do the whole script in a seductive way, because that would sound like an 80s commercial, and we just don't do it like that anymore. But it might be that something in the commercial is going to feel seductive, and then you get on with the rest of the words, you know what? I mean, it's not, Rune Pedersen: yeah, that prompts me to say, like, perfume advertising, perfume, it's like, always so far out. They just, like, say random, disjointed words, yeah, yeah. And then just like, it's all like, select, like, sort of, kind of sexual. Abbe: that's right, yeah, very sexual, isn't it? And of course, car ads especially, do very random, especially television, or only on television, very random phrasing, you know, drive to delight. Drive to delight takes corners with a precision, unmeasured, you know, just weird, weird words, you know, and you see, because you it's a television commercial. So basically, it's the marriage of the visuals, the soundtrack and the voiceover on it, the voiceover which goes on last, always last. Yeah, it's sort of the ice, the icing on the cake. And so the voice artist doesn't have to do a lot of work. They just have to find a way to make it fit. And of course, when you get the television commercial, you get it all finished, so you hear the music bit. So you have to adjust your voice to work with the music, work with the tone of the music, work with sometimes flourishes in the music. I love doing that because it's like, Oh, if I'm just a little bit faster, I can get in just before that little hear that little zing flourish. I'm just going to go a little faster there. So get a fit. Oh, that's good. And then I pick it up again and go somewhere else. And then, amazing, yeah, it's all fun. Rune Pedersen: What would you hire me for with the way I speak, like, what's, what's, what kind of voice? Or is there no hope for me? Abbe: No, I give you a Volvo car ad, Rune Pedersen: oh, I always dreamed of a Volvo. Yeah, I got a Abbe: Volvo actually. Yeah, they're good cars, sexiest wagon on the road. But you know, you it's like you can't do Australian Boy Next Door, because that's not what your voice is, yeah? And for voiceover, it's what your your natural voice sounds like, is what they're buying, you know? I mean, it is we're trying to sound like who we're talking Rune Pedersen: to, yeah, and that's, and that's really interesting in the Australian context, right? Because obviously, like, we're super diverse, like, culture, right? Full of cultures within Yeah, and the way we speak is static, but has also changed, but it's this is such an interesting space, right? Because, like voice, voices are of representation, but voices are also, voices are also ideology, or voices are also fairy tale, they're all of the things, right? So I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Yeah, it's an interesting Abbe: question, because people you know who come to Australia, I mean, I most of the people I know who are not born here still carry the accent of their their ethnicity. Hmm. But when they go back to their ethnicity, to their home, people say, you sound like an Aussie, you know? And it's, it's that happens all the time. So there is that thing about wherever you, wherever you're living, you're taking on, you know, the way people speak from that place. And it will be small things that get in. It's just small, little nuance of phrasing, or a way that you introduce a word that you don't speak in your normal language. And it's very interesting, musicality, especially in different languages, is is different from different languages. I mean, Australians are kind of flat vow you know, it's all in the bottom of our mouth. And if you're in Queensland, it's nine and five and family and stuff like that. There's then there's a middle Australian, you know, which I have sort of, which is more, it's a rounder in the in the mouth. Phonetically, it's actually a bigger, round voice. And there's very, very few people who speak in that very intellectual way. Very few people left in Australia who speak like that, I'd say you couldn't even calculate it so small. Yeah, wow, but that's that they're the they are basically the three Australian accents. I Stefan: Okay, and we're back in the studio with your man. Rune. Rune, tell the audience what we've learned this week. Rune Pedersen: Thanks, Stefan, well, I learned that seduction means a lot more than I thought. But seriously, it turns out that the way we speak can be tuned to sell people on products and ideas, another Stefan: example of just how powerful our words can be. Rune Pedersen: Stefan, yep, I don't, I don't think this radio announcer thing is working out for us. Stefan: Oh, thank God. I thought my head was going to explode. Yeah, Rune Pedersen: I think we should just talk like our normal selves. Yep, strong agree. Let's just talk how we talk. Rune Pedersen: How Humans Talk, is produced and written by Stefan Delatovic and by me Rune Pedersen from Onomato People. Production and Sound Design for this series was done by Dom Evans and James Custer at Earsay. The SBS team is Joel supple and Max Gosford, and our artwork is by Wendy Tang. Follow and review us wherever you found this podcast.

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