Lord Hermer: Two-tier justice claims are disgusting
The Attorney General said the criticism, which is widely used by Conservative and Reform politicians, is 'offensive' to police, prosecutors and judges 'applying the law'.
Lord Hermer, who is the Government's chief legal adviser, said politicians using the phrase need to think about the 'dangers' they are posing to the UK's 'essential institutions'.
Speaking to the BBC, Lord Hermer said: 'What some people were seeking to do – bringing up 'two-tier' – was to make a comparison with the way that people were being treated for trying to kill police officers – and I want to reiterate that kill police officers – with the response to protests on the streets of London.
'You can have views as to whether they're right protests or wrong protests, but they were not producing violence that you could even begin legitimately to compare to what was going on [during] the riots.
'That's where the two-tier comes from. It is frankly disgusting to start to draw those types of comparisons.'
He added: 'I think it's offensive to our police. It's offensive to our crown prosecutors who are trying to apply the law in the best faith. It is offensive to the courts, where independent judges are applying the law to reach the right sentences.
'We don't have a two-tiered justice system. We have one justice system, that is an independent justice system...and I think we all need to get behind it, not seek to undermine it.'
Claims that the UK operates a two-tier justice system emerged in the wake of last summer's riots, which broke out after the Southport murders.
Critics argued that some rioters were treated more harshly than other protesters, and that the Government's decision to use tough sentences to dissuade rioting was at odds with their early release policy for prisoners to tackle overcrowding in jails.
Two-tier justice allegations have become one of the most highly charged arguments against Sir Keir Starmer from the Right.
Nigel Farage told The Telegraph that Lord Hermer's comments about two-tier justice were wrong.
The Reform UK leader cited the case of Lucy Connolly, the mother jailed for 31 months in 2024 for inciting racial hatred after the Southport murders, whose sentence has been highlighted as an example of 'two-tier' justice.
'The public have lost trust in our judicial system and in people like Lord Hermer. The Lucy Connolly case shows that the public are right. We are disgusted,' Mr Farage said.
Richard Tice, the deputy Reform leader, who introduced a bill in Parliament this week to give the public the right to appeal 'unduly harsh' sentences, said: 'It is Hermer who is wrong and disgusting, for being so out of touch and in denial.
'He is the real danger to trust in our justice system.'
However, it is not just Reform or Conservative politicians that have taken the judiciary to task for an apparent 'two tier' approach .
Shabana Mahmood, the Justice Secretary, intervened to block guidance by the sentencing council giving special treatment to criminals from ethnic, religious and gender minorities.
She said it would lead to unacceptable 'differential treatment before the law'.
The Attorney General, who has been friends with the Prime Minister since they worked in the same chambers in 1996, has been dogged by controversy since taking up the post.
As a leading human rights barrister, he was criticised for his former clients, caused a backlash with his legal advice from some colleagues and warned Sir Keir that supporting Israeli strikes on Iran would breach international law.
He also claimed that calls for the UK to leave the European Convention on Human Rights echoed Nazi Germany, later apologising for the 'clumsy' remarks.
'Hermer defends those who hate Britain'
Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary, urged Sir Keir to sack Lord Hermer, saying: 'Gerry Adams. Shamima Begum. Osama bin Laden's right-hand man. Lord Hermer has spent much of his life defending those who hate Britain.'
Speaking on the BBC Radio 4 documentary Starmer's Stormy Year, Lord Hermer said he was 'untroubled' by criticism of his work as a barrister before entering politics.
'The attacks on me are based on the fact that I represented some clients – obviously over 30 years, I represented thousands of clients. But the attacks are [that] I represented some individuals with reprehensible political views,' he said.
'It's a bit like attacking a journalist for the person that they're interviewing or a doctor for the nature of their patient. Lawyers are professionally obliged to represent those who come to them for cases.
'You can't say no because you don't like someone's politics. The whole justice system falls apart if you do that. It's really important. So on a kind of political level, I am untroubled by attacks on that.'
He added: 'Frankly, it tickles most of my family and friends that I'm being portrayed as some huge lefty, because that's not who I am. I'm progressive, and I'm deeply pragmatic in my politics.'
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He said that the 'carnival's growing popularity and size creates unique challenges' and the priority for police officers and staff working across the long weekend will be to keep people safe, including 'preventing serious violence, such as knife crime and violence against women and girls'. A series of 31 anti-terror concrete barriers were installed on Portobello Road last month by Kensington and Chelsea Council to help deter vehicle attacks in the popular market area of Notting Hill following counter-terrorism guidance issued by the Met. But the council said these 'hostile vehicle mitigation measures' will be removed for two weeks from today to ensure 'people can move freely and safely during the event'. Last month the carnival's chief executive said the event was not the cause of knife crime. Matthew Phillip said money raised from the local council and Sir Sadiq would be put towards security measures at the event. Mr Phillip urged people not to scapegoat the carnival, adding: 'Knife crime is not a carnival issue. Youth violence is not a carnival issue. 'These are serious national issues, and while some statistics have improved, the roots remain poverty, isolation, racial inequality, disconnection and the absence of hope, especially for young people. 'Carnival does not cause these problems. It doesn't create violence. In fact, for many, it offers relief from it.' Concerns over safety at the carnival have also contributed to insecurity about its future, and the festival's organisers wrote to the Government earlier this year to ask for urgent funding. Carnival chairman Mr Comfort requested more funding from the Government to steward the event and address safety concerns, amid ongoing warnings from police that there could be a tragedy. Eventually City Hall, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea council and Westminster city council provided money, allowing this year's event to take place. Mr Phillip said: 'What began as a small gathering of courage on the streets of Notting Hill has grown into one of the largest cultural events in the world. That growth brings joy, but it also brings a huge responsibility. Each year, over a million people walk through these streets. 'We are strengthening every element of our operational infrastructure: more trained stewards, expanded CCTV coverage and parade co-ordination, faster response systems for stewards and safety teams, and expanded crowd management infrastructure and personnel, to give an example of a few of the initiatives we're embarking on. 'These are not tick boxes. They're a real commitment to care, to precision and to the protection of the community.' The Mail understands that carnival organisers believe crime statistics are in line with or lower than other events proportionally, and compare favourably in terms of policing costs and overall economic contribution. They also believe arrest totals have been largely stable over recent years, despite consistent rising attendances - with last year's arrest total making up around 0.035 per cent of the estimated one million revellers. This is compared to an arrest rate of 0.042 per cent for fans attending professional football matches in England and Wales last season. Last year's arrests at the carnival resulted in 191 charges, cautions, fixed penalty notices or community resolutions, with 40 people de-arrested. Most of the offences related to drugs offences and theft. Carnival is said to contribute around £400million annually to the economy – which is set against the most recently-released policing cost of £11.7million in 2023. The carnival features parades, steelpan costumes, bands, sound systems and stages. People will be invited to join a 72-second silence at 3pm on Sunday and Monday to honour people who died in the Grenfell Tower fire and Kelso Cochrane, who was murdered in a racially motivated attack in Notting Hill in 1959. Last December, the Federation published the results of a survey which asked officers about the carnival – with police saying it is a 'war zone' and they would rather 'crawl naked through broken glass than be on duty at it. Nearly 90 per cent of Met officers who responded to a survey said they had felt unsafe while working at the annual festival, while 29 per cent had been assaulted. Asked to describe how they feel about working there, they said it was 'Hell. It's a war zone we are sent into year after year' and 'Dangerous. Officers are treated as lambs to slaughter'. One officer said the police operation was 'overstretched, ineffective and an exercise in self-torture', while another claimed they 'would rather crawl naked through broken glass'. But organisers Notting Hill Carnival Limited said the survey was 'driven by unsubstantiated quotes and little solid data, designed to create negative headlines'.
