HYBE's Elusive Producers Speak: Pdogg, Slow Rabbit, and More on the Future of BTS and K-Pop
When J-Hope took the stage at Brooklyn's Barclays Center to kick off a North American tour in mid-March, his set became a showcase for the BTS member's ever-expanding take on hip-hop — from his group's stadium-shaking squelcher 'MIC Drop' to the sunny anthem '= (Equal Sign)' and the premiere of the trap, rap-sing hit 'MONA LISA.' On the other side of the world, his bandmate Jin was putting the final touches on Echo, his rock-inspired sophomore solo album, which dove headfirst into heated pop-punk riffs, romantic Brit-rock production powered by orchestral strings, and even a fun foray into country rock.
While J-Hope and Jin stretched their individual wings, the rest of BTS — RM, Suga, Jimin, V, and Jung Kook — were busy fulfilling their mandatory South Korean military service until their individual discharges this month. (Jin and J-Hope began their service earlier than their bandmates; Jin was discharged in June 2024, with J-Hope discharged last October). But they, too, have been very busy musically in recent years. That's because the group's label and management house, HYBE, has used the enforced pause that's come with enlistment as an incubator for individual expression: RM has explored lush indie landscapes across his critically acclaimed solo album, Right Person, Wrong Place; V has savored the warmth of nostalgic jazz with several duets, including a new take on 'White Christmas,' with Bing Crosby's vocals; Jung Kook topped the charts with Western-pop gloss; and Jimin has also hit Number One by dipping into brooding, dark-pop territory.
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An elite team of creatives has been at BTS' side throughout this period of military service and solo adventure, nurturing each member's musical identity and nudging the boundaries of what K-pop can be on the global stage. At the center is Pdogg, the elusive K-pop power-producer who has helped helm BTS' sound from their 2013 debut to the present day.
Pdogg, whose real name is Kang Hyowon, oversees all aspects of BTS' music. In a rare moment speaking to overseas media, Pdogg tells Rolling Stone that his process begins with personally connecting with an artist to hear what's on their mind and conceptualizing an initial song. In the studio, he lays the groundwork for the track or matches a demo for the concept, typically having the artist write the first draft of lyrics before calling in collaborators to help bring the musical vision to life.
When it comes to BTS, Pdogg says the key is communication. 'I communicate directly with the members as their tracks and albums often center around their personal stories,' he explains. 'I spend a lot of time talking to each member and communicating about what they're thinking and how they view the world. From there, we create songs that are in line with their perspective and match the right demos. Usually, the artists write the first draft of the lyrics themselves, and from there, I add the flesh and create the song. During the recording process, we work together to find the artistic side of them that they haven't been able to showcase before.'
The 41-year-old also oversees upcoming 'trainee' artists under BIGHIT MUSIC, the label that houses BTS as well as veteran singer Lee Hyun, chart-topping quintet Tomorrow X Together, and a new boy band recently confirmed to debut in the third quarter of 2025. It's one of several labels under HYBE, the house that BTS built up from a small management agency into a multifaceted, international entertainment conglomerate. Pdogg began his musical journey nearly two decades ago working with HYBE founder and current chairman Bang Si Hyuk (who also produces under the moniker 'Hitman' Bang), back when Pdogg's credits only included the likes of Korean vocal trio 8Eight and R&B-pop siren Lim Jeonghee.
'Even when the company was relatively smaller in size, Chairman Bang invested in mixing, mastering, and sessions, always pushing until we got the exact results we wanted,' Pdogg says. 'It's been nearly 20 years since I first met Chairman Bang, and I have nothing but complete trust in him because of his unwavering commitment to music and his constant drive to explore new sounds … and when I hit a slump while working, he shouldered the losses and still believed in me — that's why I'm able to continue making music to this day.'
Pdogg says he's personally curious about 'trying to modernize the sound of the mid- to late-2000s' and 'find a sound that combines genres that haven't yet made the jump from pop to mainstream,' but it will be BTS who take the lead on their future sound. Even though BTS have scored their biggest Billboard hits and Grammy nominations with all-English tracks like 'Dynamite' and 'Butter' (which, notably, did not feature Pdogg on the credits), the producer says this won't change the way he or his collaborators approach new BTS music. 'There's always a certain amount of pressure and anxiety, which is part of my journey, so it's nothing out of the ordinary,' he shares. 'Lately, I've been focusing on finding new sounds by collaborating with top international producers and songwriters in different ways. I'm aiming to create something that is different from 'Dynamite' or 'Butter,' while still making sure it resonates with the global audience.'One change that will be evident on BTS' imminent comeback album — at least in the credits — is the absence of Slow Rabbit, another super-producer under HYBE's BIGHIT MUSIC who has also been with the boys since their debut. While Slow Rabbit (born Kwon Dohyeong) co-wrote the track 'For Youth' alongside RM, J-Hope, and Suga for BTS' career-spanning Proof anthology in 2022, he's focused on another group now. 'I'm sure the members and the talented producers who will be a part of their next comeback will create an incredible album,' Slow Rabbit tells Rolling Stone. 'I am also looking forward to BTS' comeback, but as for me, I will be focusing on my role as the main producer for Tomorrow X Together.'
While TXT was at first labeled by fans as the 'younger brother' group to BTS when they debuted in early 2019, the quintet have instead crafted musical journeys all their own, with an emphasis on using mystical, magical fairy-tale-like storytelling to describe growing up today, felt in song titles like 'Farewell, Neverland,' 'Can't We Just Leave the Monster Alive?' and 'Sugar Rush Ride.' 'When I first started working with BTS, I was new to being a producer and had to learn everything from 'Hitman' Bang and Pdogg,' adds Slow Rabbit. 'Becoming the main producer of Tomorrow X Together was a huge leap forward for me, and it helped me better understand the role and responsibilities that come with it. Juggling between BTS and Tomorrow X Together was very confusing and emotionally challenging at times. All of these hardships in the past have grounded me.'
Thanks to HYBE's robust A&R and publishing arm, Pdogg, Slow Rabbit, and more of its creatives have writing credits for artists signed to rival agencies. Recently, Pdogg helped craft 'ABCD,' the latest solo single from Nayeon of top girl group TWICE, under JYP Entertainment (whose founder and namesake, J.Y. Park, worked alongside Bang for 2000s and early 2010s JYP acts), and Slow Rabbit co-produced the viral hit 'UP,' by Karina of aespa, a quartet from SM Entertainment
Alongside Pdogg and Slow Rabbit, HYBE is riding the success of relative newcomers to the company's producer roster — like ARMADILLO, the lead producer for Coachella 2025 breakouts ENHYPEN, and the dynamic production and songwriting duo 13, who have brought Nile Rodgers, Afrobeats, and voguing elements into LE SSERAFIM albums. While helping design the future of K-pop alongside the upcoming comeback for BTS, these producers spoke to Rolling Stone about their musical journeys, insider stories, favorite underrated tracks, and more.
10 notable credits: BTS' 'No More Dream' (2013); RM and Wale's 'Change' (2017); BTS' 'Boy With Luv' (feat. Halsey) (2019); Jin's 'Abyss' (2020); GFRIEND's 'Apple' (2020); Coldplay and BTS' 'My Universe' (2021); Charlie Puth and Jung Kook's 'Left and Right' (2022); J-Hope's 'On the Street (with J. Cole)' (2023); Jimin's 'Who' (2024); Ailee's 'MMI' (2025).
While you have worked with BTS since their debut, what have these last years been like for you during this new chapter, where the members focused on solo albums?In the past, our emphasis was on team harmonization. However, with the solo albums, the approach has shifted to highlighting each member's unique voice.… I carefully take into account the direction each member wants to take, ensuring their individual vision is reflected as fully as possible … the solo albums feature more personal themes for each member, which makes them different from the themes and messages we explore in group activities. Additionally, as each member has their unique vocal tone and preferred genre, so through solo activities, we're aiming to reveal new facets of their individual artistry.
What's been the best moment of your musical journey? I'd say it was when I went to the Grammy Awards in 2020, when BTS had this historic performance with Nas, just before the pandemic hit. Being there in person for such a monumental moment and having BTS sharing the stage with true legends in the music industry was incredibly meaningful to me. It's one of those unforgettable experiences in my career.
Do you have a favorite of all the songs you've worked on?One of my favorite songs is BTS' 'Save ME,' and I especially love the music video. It's a choreographed video style, but what makes it special for me is how the cloudy weather perfectly complements the song's feeling of loneliness. The choreography and the mood really come together to express the emotion of the song, and it's one that I find myself watching often.
10 notable credits: BTS' 'Coffee' (2023); Tomorrow X Together's 'CROWN' (2019); NCT DREAM's 'Countdown (3, 2, 1)' (2021); & TEAM's 'Under the Skin' (2022); TWICE's 'Brave' (2022); Tomorrow X Together and Anitta's 'Back for More' (2023); fromis_9's 'Bring It On' (2023); ILLIT's 'Magnetic' (2024); ENHYPEN's 'Fatal Trouble' (2024); Yeonjun's 'GGUM' (2024); KATSEYE's 'Gnarly' (2025).
After quietly shaping some of K-pop's most beloved B sides and deep cuts, Slow Rabbit says that he 'spends most of my time working on Tomorrow X Together's music' today, but holds milestones like debut concerts and BTS' first big wins at K-pop awards shows as 'a source of happiness.'
Slow Rabbit notched a new personal milestone in 2024 after working on 'Magnetic,' by ILLIT. Not only was it his first time helping helm the debut single for a girl group, the track also cracked the Billboard Hot 100, marking the first time a K-pop group's debut single impacted the singles chart.
Take us through a typical day or week for Slow Rabbit lately.These days, I've been spending a lot of time working on Tomorrow X Together's upcoming album along with a few other projects. I don't have a set schedule for making music, but I try to work on something whenever I can.… I have the best conversations with [TXT member] Taehyun when it comes to music. He not only loves listening to various genres but also enjoys singing, so whenever there's a great track, he's the first one that I reach out to. We share a deep love for music, and this relationship helps both of us grow musically. Since the release of their solo mixtapes, I've had many conversations with Yeonjun and Beomgyu, as well. As for Yeonjun, 'Hitman' Bang, myself, and the A&R team have been discussing the artistic direction of his future projects and how we can best support his musical journey. Beomgyu has a strong passion for composing, so we're exploring ways for him to showcase his talent.
What can you tell us about Tomorrow X Together's latest single, 'Love Language,' and upcoming music?Starting with Yeonjun's 'GGUM,' released in the second half of 2024, the members began exploring their own musical identities through solo activities. While some members are more dedicated to group activities for now, I want to emphasize that both the company and I are fully committed to supporting any member who wishes to pursue their own music in every way possible.… This marks a transitional period for the group, so we're making sure the album reflects those changes while staying true to the essence of Tomorrow X Together. We're also preparing for the following comeback, which will have a completely different vibe, so I'm both excited and a bit nervous for the fans to hear it.
On a personal note, I've been collaborating more with other producers when making music. I've had the opportunity to work with a diverse range of talented people, from veteran producers like 'Hitman' Bang, renowned international producers, topliners to producers from the younger generation.
Has there been a particularly challenging moment, song, or memory that stands out?One of the toughest, yet most fulfilling, was Jan. 1, 2024. That day, 'Hitman' Bang and I were finalizing 'Deja Vu' by Tomorrow X Together. I was barely getting any sleep as I was also working on finishing 'Magnetic' by ILLIT. Completing two songs at the same time was physically draining, but it was all worth it because the most crucial parts of the songs came to life that day.
This period was especially memorable as I had the opportunity to collaborate with BIGHIT MUSIC's talented trainees, James and Martin, whom 'Hitman' Bang introduced to me. Working together not only on music but also on performance and other creative aspects brought back memories of the early days of my career, when HYBE was still Big Hit Entertainment.
Is there a lesser-known song you are particularly proud of or feel is special?One song that immediately comes to mind is 'Moonstruck' by ENHYPEN. The song highlights each member's voice, and the lyrics perfectly reflect the group's distinct storyline. I'm sure that [ENHYPEN's fan army] ENGENEs have probably heard this song at concerts or year-end stage [performances], but I think it's a hidden gem.
10 notable credits: BTOB's 'I'll Be Your Man' (2016); GFRIEND's 'Hear the Wind Sing' (2017); Soyou & Baekhyun's 'Rain' (2017); Jonghyun's 'Shinin' (2018); Wanna One's 'One Love' (2019); Golden Child's 'Burn It' (2021); LE SSERAFIM's 'UNFORGIVEN' (feat. Nile Rodgers) (2023); Huh Yunjin's 'Raise y_our glass' (2023); KATSEYE's 'Tonight I Might' (2024); LE SSERAFIM's 'HOT (English version)' (feat. JADE) (2025).
When producers SCORE and Megatone decided to team up as a duo officially, the pair adopted their moniker simply from the fact that 'we happened to live on the 13th floor of the same apartment building,' SCORE explains. 'We really liked how '13' had a simple yet mysterious feel to it.'
It must have been their lucky number after 'Hitman' Bang interviewed them and gave them the OK to join the day-one team for LE SSERAFIM, an important project as the first female act created after HYBE's corporate rebrand in 2021. 'As their teaser videos were released one by one, we could feel the growing excitement and anticipation from fans,' Megatone recalls after the duo spent years hoping to place songs before finding a home with LE SSERAFIM's label. 'Finally seeing them take the stage for the first time at their album showcase was an indescribably overwhelming experience.'
Are you working with LE SSERAFIM on any projects now? Where do you pull inspiration for the group?SCORE: We've been working with LE SSERAFIM for over three years now, and throughout this journey, we've shared countless conversations with them. The more time we spend together, the more we realize that we share a common vision. This mutual understanding has been a constant source of inspiration in the process of music production. As LE SSERAFIM's main producers, responsible for shaping their unique sound and style, we always strive to incorporate the latest musical trends in a way that aligns with the group's identity and as we see fit.
Your work ranges from girl and boy bands to rappers and Japanese pop. Do you have different approaches based on the kind of artist or genre?SCORE: Before joining HYBE, we spent over a decade as freelance producers and songwriters working with various artists and labels. During this time, we also had the opportunity to produce entire albums with artists whose musical style resonated with ours.… One of the most important lessons we've learned throughout is that it's essential for a music producer to understand that each artist has their own unique style and charm, regardless of genre or nationality, and to recognize this before working on their music.
Where do you see K-pop moving in the future? Megatone: With the K-pop industry's increasing saturation and the growing number of artists seeking global success, it's more important than ever for them to produce music that aligns with global trends and infuses unique charm to captivate fans worldwide.
Do you have a favorite of all the songs you've worked on?Megatone: All the songs we've produced hold a special place in our hearts, but one that stands out is LE SSERAFIM's 'CRAZY.' We feel this track perfectly captures the group's unique identity and has been widely loved by fans around the world. 'ANTIFRAGILE' also means a lot to us, as it played a huge role in shaping LE SSERAFIM's journey to where they are today.
10 notable credits through the years: 2AM's 'Love Actually' (2014); 15& and Kanto's 'Love Is Madness' (2015); Stray Kids' 'Hellevator' (2017); Suzy's 'Pretend' (2017); Chung Ha's 'Everybody Has' (2020); NMIXX's 'DICE' (2022); UP10TION's 'Angel' (2022); BOY STORY's 'ENOUGH' (2023); ENHYPEN and JVKE's 'XO (Only If You Say Yes) (English version)' (2024), ENHYPEN's 'Loose' (2025).
Taking his producer name as a reminder to 'move at your own pace and stay grounded,' ARMADILLO stays humbled as the main producer for ENHYPEN (a group he says boasts a versatility that 'makes them both fascinating and challenging to produce for') after already securing a proven collection of hits for major acts like TWICE, Stray Kids, and Chung Ha. He still remembers his first prominent single placement — with K-pop superstar Suzy's atmospheric chart-topper 'Pretend' nonetheless — as his most meaningful milestone.
Looking ahead, ARMADILLO vows to 'keep diving deeper into sound design' while strengthening K-pop's global reach through international collaboration and his slow-and-steady mindset. 'Even if it takes a little longer, I believe in going steady and strong — just like an armadillo.'
Take us through a typical day for ARMADILLO.Over the years, I've come to enjoy my morning routine. I usually wake up around 5 a.m., go for a run, and then spend the early hours working on tracks. This routine itself has become a creative sanctuary for me. In the afternoons, rather than diving into music production, I focus on honing my skills — sound design, mixing techniques, anything that sharpens my craft. It's a pattern that I've built over the years: refining my tools during the day, then channeling that into creation in the early hours.
I would say that producers at HYBE tend to be deeply involved with the label, from monitoring mixes for upcoming albums to editing and creating tracks for live performances. Since stepping into the role of lead producer for ENHYPEN, I've been devoting 90 percent of my focus to the group — whether it's album production, concerts, world tours, or year-end award-show performances.
Where are you pulling inspiration from nowadays?Lately, I've been focusing more on stripping things back rather than adding more. Instead of rushing to complete full tracks, I spend more time making sure the core idea is solid — does the main theme feel right? Does it speak with clarity and conviction? That's where most of my energy goes.
I've also been delving into analog textures lately. There's something compelling about the rawness and warmth you get from that world, and it's inspiring me in unexpected ways.
Your work varies from HYBE groups like ENHYPEN to soloists, girl groups, and artists in different countries. Do you have different approaches based on the kind of artist, genre, or country?Every artist calls for a different approach — there's no one-size-fits-all. Especially when working with an artist who's just starting out, I don't dive straight into songwriting. Instead, I take the time to understand who they are — the story they want to tell, the emotions they carry, and the colors and styles that suit them best. Sometimes, I sit with those thoughts for a long time even before writing a single note.
Interestingly, there have been times when a song I've held on to for years — one I was saving for something special — ends up clicking perfectly with an artist I never expected.
These days, many K-pop labels build out detailed storylines and concepts in advance. So more often than not, producers are brought in to create music that aligns with those frameworks, helping to bring that vision to life.
What have been some of the most challenging parts of your career?It's been more than a decade, but I'll never forget how hard things were before I joined a company. I didn't have a proper workspace, so I'd take my keyboard down to my car in a basement parking lot. I'd sit in the back seat writing melodies until nightfall. Summers were brutal — I'd come back drenched in sweat — but the moment I put on my headphones and started working, everything else didn't matter much. What kept me going was knowing there was someone who genuinely loved my music, and that support gave me strength and reminded me why I do what I do.
Do you have a favorite of all the songs you've worked on? Suzy's 'Pretend' was my first title track [single], and the first to top one of Korea's biggest music charts, Melon. That made it a meaningful milestone in my career.… I want to keep diving deeper into sound design — there's always more to explore. I'll keep doing my best to create songs that connect with people around the world.
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'We come from different musical backgrounds, but the emotion, the storytelling — that was shared. Collaborating with him wasn't about chasing a fusion — it was about two artists trusting each other to make something honest. Going down to Mexico and being immersed in his world was a powerful reminder of how universal that connection through music really is.' From a purely commercial standpoint, León has no need to take musical risks like this beyond the Latin realm. In the past five years alone, he has notched three entries on Billboard's Top Latin Albums chart, including Colmillo de Leche (2023) and Boca Chueca, Vol. 1 (2024), which both reached the top 10. He has placed three No. 1s on the Latin Airplay chart, seven No. 1s on Regional Mexican Airplay and 19 entries on Hot Latin Songs, including three top 10s. He's a widely sought-after collaborator for pop stars (Camilo, Maluma, Kany García, Carlos Vives), Spanish stars (Manuel Carrasco, El Cigala), Mexican legends (Pepe Aguilar, Alejandro Fernández) and fellow current chart-toppers (Grupo Firme, Gabito Ballesteros) alike. But regardless of what sounds he's working with, or whether his collaborator is an established name or an untested act (a particular favorite of his), León knows what he likes. That confidence is at the core of his and manager Jorge Juarez's strategic plan to make him a truly global artist — and for the past year, they've set their sights on country music, hoping to bridge the divide between two genres that, despite their different languages, are in fact remarkably similar. 'It's something that fills me with pride and something that's been very difficult to achieve as a Mexican and as a Latin: to reach the center of the marrow of this country movement,' León says. 'To get to know this [country music] industry and start moving the threads to act as this missing link between regional Mexican and country music.' León first tested the country waters back in 2019 with a Mexican/country version of Extreme's 'More Than Words,' recorded in English and Spanish. Though it now has 14 million streams on Spotify, 'it's kind of lost because there was so much other stuff happening at the time,' he says. It was a risky move, especially coming when León was not yet the established star he is today. But to him, it was one worth taking. 'It was the perfect excuse to show something different,' he says. 'And it was amazing. It was so liberating. Because I was trapped in this box that was regional mexicano at that time, and [this song] was very fun for me.' Country and regional Mexican are, truly, natural siblings. Both genres are anchored in storytelling, with acoustic instrumentation and guitars central to their sound. Boots, hats and fringe jackets are staple outfits for artists and fans alike. And though they stem from different cultures, both are, as León puts it, 'roots genres' with their foundations in regional sounds. Unsurprisingly, other Latin artists have forayed into country before — but none have brought León's existing level of Latin music stardom, nor have they generated the buzz and impact that he has since releasing his first country team-up, 'The One (Pero No Como Yo),' with Brown in March 2024. Since then, he has spent weeks in Nashville, working with local producers and songwriters for a country-leaning album featuring other major names that's slated for a 2026 release. For country music, that's good news. According to the Country Music Association's 2024 Diverse Audience study, 58% of Latino music listeners consume country music at least monthly, compared with 50% when the last study was conducted in 2021. Finding the right opportunity to tap that market had long been in the Grand Ole Opry's sights. 'And then,' says Jordan Pettit, Opry Entertainment Group vp of artist and industry relations, 'the opportunity with Carín came up.' At León's Opry debut in 2024, 'we had a lot of audience there, more than normal,' Pettit recalls. 'The show itself absolutely blew my expectations.' The plan had been for León to play three songs, but the crowd clamored for more, and the musician obliged with a fourth. 'I can think of only one or two occasions in my seven years here where I've seen an artist get an encore,' Pettit says. 'It was really, really awesome to see the worlds collide.' León's worlds have been colliding since he was born Óscar Armando Díaz de León in Hermosillo, Mexico, a business hub and the capital of the northwestern state of Sonora, located 200 miles from the U.S. border at Nogales, Ariz. That proximity, coupled with his family's voracious appetite for music, exposed him to a constant and eclectic soundtrack that ranged from Cuban troubadour Silvio Rodríguez and corrido singer Chalino Sánchez to country stars Johnny Cash and George Strait to rock mainstays like Journey, Paul McCartney and Queen. 'What's happening now in my career is the result of the music I ingested since I was a kid,' he says. 'Music gave me the incentive to learn about many things — the origin of other countries, political movements linked to music, cultural movements. I'm very freaky about music. Everything I have comes from the music I listened to.' When León finally started dabbling in guitar, he gravitated to the music closest to his roots, regional Mexican, and eventually adopted his stage name. By 2010, he was the singer for Grupo Arranke, which through its blend of traditional sinaloense banda brass and sierreño guitars eventually landed a deal with the Mexican indie Balboa. After a slow but steady rise, Grupo Arranke garnered its sole Billboard chart entry, peaking at No. 34 on Hot Latin Songs in 2019 with 'A Través del Vaso,' penned by veteran songwriter Horacio Palencia. Then the coronavirus pandemic hit, and León switched gears: He went solo, signed to indie Tamarindo Recordz and began releasing music at a prolific pace, launching what he now calls his 'exotic' cross-genre fusions. He scored his first top 10 on a Billboard chart with 'Me la Aventé,' which peaked at No. 6 on Regional Mexican Airplay in 2019. But his true breakouts were two live albums recorded and filmed in small studios during lockdown, Encerrados Pero Enfiestados, Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 (Locked Up, but Partying). The bare-bones sets, featuring León singing and playing guitar with a stripped-down accompaniment of tuba and guitar, struck a powerful chord. At a time when teenage performers with gold chains and exotic cars were propelling corridos tumbados and música mexicana with hip-hop attitude up the charts, this 30-year-old relative unknown with a poignant tenor that oozed emotion was performing regional Mexican music with a Rhodes organ, a country twang and, with his cover of '90s pop hit 'Tú,' a female point of view. No one else sounded like him. Those acoustic sessions 'were the first things I realized could make the audience uncomfortable [and] question what they were hearing,' León recalls. 'Wanting everyone to like you works, but it doesn't let you transcend. I think things happen when you change something — for good or bad — and you get that divided opinion. All my idols — Elvis, Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash — were people who swam against the current. And not in a forced way, but in a sincere way, exposing vulnerabilities. We knew it was good stuff. And things began to happen.' During the pandemic lockdown, León had the time and creative space to experiment and explore a new openness within regional Mexican music, a genre where artists used to seldom collaborate with one another. In 2021, he notched his first No. 1 with 'El Tóxico,' a collaboration with Grupo Firme that ruled Regional Mexican Airplay for two weeks. Then, Spanish urban/flamenco star C. Tangana DM'd him on Instagram and invited him to collaborate on 'Cambia!,' a song from Tangana's acclaimed album El Madrileño that also featured young sierreño star Adriel Favela and can best be described as a corrido flamenco. The track 'blew my mind,' León says — and exposed him to a completely different audience. 'It taught me divisions are literally only a label. When I heard that album, I understood music has no limits. C. Tangana is to blame for what's happening with my music now.' Collaboration requests from artists seeking León's unique sound (and sonic curiosity) started to flow in at the precise time that he was itching to explore and globalize his music. In 2022, after recording the pop/regional Mexican ballad 'Como lo Hice Yo' with Mexican pop group Matisse, he met the band's manager, Jorge Juárez, co-owner of well-known Mexican management and concert promotion company Westwood Entertainment. The two clicked, and when León's label and management contract with Tamarindo expired in early 2023, he approached Juárez. 'There comes a time when managers and the artist have to be a power couple,' León observes. 'I found the right fit with Mr. Jorge Juárez. He's a music fiend; he has a very out-of-the-box vision. That's where we clicked. And he had huge ambition, which is very important to us. He's the man of the impossible. We want to change the rules of the game.' In León, Juárez says he saw 'a very versatile artist who could ride out trends, who could become an icon. He wasn't looking to be No. 1, but to be the biggest across time. He had so many attributes, I felt I had the right ammunition to demonstrate my experience of so many years and take him to a global level.' Juárez, who shuttles between his Miami home base and Mexico, is a respected industry veteran who has long managed a marquee roster of mostly Mexican pop acts including Camila, Reik, Sin Bandera and Carlos Rivera. He's also a concert promoter with expertise in the United States and Latin America. He sees León as having the potential to become 'the next Vicente Fernández,' he adds, referring to the late global ranchero star. Because León had parted ways with Tamarindo, which kept his recording catalog, he urgently had to build a new one. He and Juárez partnered in founding a label, Socios Music, and began releasing material prolifically, financing the productions out of their own pockets. Since partnering with Juárez, León has released three studio albums: Colmillo de Leche and Boca Chueca, Vol. 1, which both peaked at No. 8 on Top Latin Albums, and Palabra de To's, which reached No. 20. Beyond the catalog, they had three other key goals: finding a tour promoter with global reach, building the Carín León brand and expanding into country. AEG, which León and Juárez partnered with in 2023, could help with all of it. Last year, the promoter booked León's back-to-back performances at Coachella and Stagecoach — making him one of very few artists to play both of the Southern California Goldenvoice festivals in the same year — as well as his slot opening for The Rolling Stones in May in Glendale, Ariz. AEG president of global touring Rich Schaefer says they sold over 500,000 tickets for León headline shows in the United States since they started working together, including a 2024 sellout at Los Angeles' BMO Stadium. 'There are few artists who put out as much music as Carín does on a regular basis,' Schaefer adds. 'He's able to sing and speak fluently in two languages, which has already opened a lot of doors both in the States and abroad. Our team works very closely with Jorge and his team, and he has a deep understanding of how to approach international territories. With a little luck, Carín is poised to take over the world.' That international viewpoint also informed León's approach to recording. When Juárez set out to unlock country music for his client, he first contacted Universal Music Publishing Group head Jody Gerson — 'our godmother,' as Juárez likes to say. 'She opened so many doors to us.' Gerson first met León in 2023, after Yadira Moreno, UMPG's managing director in Mexico, signed him. 'It was clear from my first meeting with him that he possessed an expansive vision for his songwriting and artistry that would take him beyond Mexican music,' Gerson says. 'Before signing with us, he wanted to make sure that we were aligned with his ambitions and that he would get meaningful global support from our company, specifically in Nashville. Carín actually grew up listening to country music, so his desire to collaborate with country songwriters is an organic one.' Beyond opening the door to working with Nashville producers and songwriters, Gerson also connected Juárez and León with Universal Music Group chief Lucian Grainge, who in June 2024 helped formulate a unique partnership between Virgin Music Group, Island Records and Socios Music. Through it, Virgin and Island distribute and market León's music under Socios, with Virgin distributing and marketing to the U.S. Latin and global markets and Island working the U.S. mainstream market. The agreement encompasses parts of León's back catalog as well as new material, including 2024's Boca Chueca, Vol. 1, which featured his bilingual collaborations with Brown ('The One [Pero No Como Yo],' which peaked at No. 46 on Hot Country Songs) and Bridges. He plans to deliver Boca Chueca, Vol. 2 before the end of the year and just released a deluxe version of Palabra de To's that includes new pairings with Maluma (their 'Según Quién' topped the Latin Airplay chart for four weeks in 2023 and 2024) and first-time duets with ranchera star Alejandro Fernández and flamenco icon El Cigala. While flamenco is another passion point for León, the country album — his 'first magnum opus,' he says — is his most ambitious goal. Already, he has worked in Nashville with major producers and songwriters including Amy Allen, Dan Wilson and Natalie Hemby. On the eclectic project, he says, 'Some stuff sounds like James Brown, some stuff sounds like Queen, some stuff sounds like regional Mexican with these corrido tumbado melodies, but in a country way. It's very Carín. It's what's happening in my head and in my heart.' He won't divulge all of its guests just yet, but he says it includes friends like 'my man Jelly Roll' and other big stars he admires. It's new territory for a Latin act, and León is acutely aware of the fact. But he's approaching it from a very different point of view. 'I'm not a country artist,' he says flatly. 'I'm a sonorense. I have regional Mexican in my bones. But I love country music, and I'm trying to do my approach with my Mexican music and find a middle point. It's not easy. You have a lot of barriers because of the accent, because of the language, the racial stuff.' For some successful regional Mexican artists who tour constantly and make top dollar, the trade-off is not worth it; financially speaking, they don't need to open new territories or genres and the audiences that come with them. But for León, 'the money trip passed a lot of years ago,' he says with a shrug, taking a last sip of tequila and adjusting the brim of that ever-present accessory he shares with his country friends. 'I need to change the game,' he adds. 'I'm hungry to make history, to be the one and only. I'm so ambitious with what I want to do with the music. It's always the music. She's the boss.' Best of Billboard Chart Rewind: In 1989, New Kids on the Block Were 'Hangin' Tough' at No. 1 Janet Jackson's Biggest Billboard Hot 100 Hits H.E.R. & Chris Brown 'Come Through' to No. 1 on Adult R&B Airplay Chart