03-08-2025
Deterministic Punches Breeders' Cup Ticket With Assertive Fourstardave Score
Deterministic Punches Breeders' Cup Ticket With Assertive Fourstardave Score originally appeared on Paulick Report.
Deterministic has been hard to stop since switching to the turf in the spring of 2024, and he'll get a chance to go for his biggest win yet after securing a "Win and You're In" berth for the Breeders' Cup Mile, following a charging victory in the Grade 1 Fourstardave Stakes on Saturday at Saratoga Race 4-year-old Liam's Map colt was a challenger for the lead early on under jockey Kendrick Carmouche, who sat in second behind pacesetter My Boy Prince through the first turn and into an opening quarter-mile in :23.83 two remained the leaders across the backstretch, tracked in the second flight by longshot Lagynos and Win for the Money. My Boy Prince continued to maintain a 1 1/2-length cushion over Deterministic at the halfway point in the one-mile race, passing that pole in :47.56 seconds. The lead duo separated themselves from the rest of the pack in the final turn, and Deterministic began to move in earnest as they hit the home straightaway. First urging with a left-handed crop, then switching to the right, Carmouche and Deterministic took control with one furlong to go, and drew away to win by 1 1/4 lengths.
French-bred Intellect closed hard after saving ground into the final turn to finish second, three-quarters of a length ahead of Win for the Money, who nosed out pacesetter My Boy Prince for 2 winner Neat was pulled up shortly after the wire after finishing last, and jockey Junior Alvarado quickly dismounted. Per the NYRA veterinary department, Alvarado felt the colt was not traveling well, after the wire, prompting him to pull up and get off the horse. Neat was given a precautionary ride back to the barn in an equine ambulance, where he will receive further stopped the clock in the one-mile race in 1:33.87 over a fast turf course. He paid $11.20 to win.
The Fourstardave was Deterministic's third straight victory, and the third time Carmouche has been aboard. The streak started with a 4 1/2-length triumph in the G2 Fort Marcy Stakes on May 3 at Belmont at the Big A, then he earned his first Grade 1 score in the Manhattan Stakes on June 25 at victory improved Deterministic's record to seven wins in 13 starts for trainer Miguel Clement and owners St. Elias Stable, Vicarage Stable, Ken Langone, and C. Steven was bred in Kentucky by Hinkle Farms, out of the winning Speightstown mare Giulio's Jewel. He sold to St. Elias Stables for $625,000 at the 2022 Keeneland September Yearling Sale, from the Hinkle Farms consignment.
G1 FanDuel Fourstardave Quotes - Courtesy NYRA Notes TeamMiguel Clement, winning trainer of Deterministic (No. 8, $11.20): " He looked great. He has tactical speed so you can use it. He was moving very well. I think Kendrick [Carmouche] was just waiting to make his move. When he went for it, he went big. The horse delivered. He is a top-class horse. He's won on multiple surfaces over a wide range of distances. He makes us look good because he is top-class."This is great. It is very rewarding. He was my first Grade 1 winner. It's a great day. He is top class."About how he felt about the early fractions: "Beyond bullish. I thought Jose Ortiz [No. 2, My Boy Prince] was in front and slowed them down. I told Kendrick to break well the first 50 yards, and then you decide to either go for it or sit in second. On paper, those were the two most logical speeds. They were able to dictate the pace and control it from the front end. It made the closers virtually impossible to come back."About a start in the Grade 1 Woodbine Mile on September 13 or the Grade 1 Coolmore Turf Mile on October 4 at Keeneland: " Maybe the Woodbine Mile, maybe the race at Keeneland, but I'll speak to the connections. Let's see how he comes out of it and then we'll come up with a plan afterwards."
Kendrick Carmouche, winning jockey aboard Deterministic (No. 8): 'My horse broke very good like always. I saw Jose Ortiz [aboard No. 2, My Boy Prince] ride his horse out of there pretty good, and once I looked around and I saw nobody that was within a length and a half behind me in the first quarter of a mile, I pressed the e-brake, just let him settle. I thought when I turned on the backside, he had a horse run up on the backside of him, about a length and a quarter, and man, you can feel him – he [was] wanting to go and I say, 'oh, I'm OK, I can feel him.' I thought they went a pretty slow pace for these types of horses. Once I got to the turn, I let Jose's horse switch leads and I just figured I should bring the race to him because my horse runs good around the turns. He loves to hold horses off because he loves to feel it whenever they're coming, so with that being said, I thought I'd done the right thing out there to make us a successful [team] today.'Miguel [Clement] and his team came back again in another Grade 1. What an excellent job by Deterministic to just come out here and keep competing. I know Christophe [Clement] is so happy for his son up there - and my dad - so we've got to keep this moving. We're going to the Breeders' Cup next, even better – tighter turns, shorter stretch.'
Flavien Prat, jockey of runner-up Intellect (No. 6): 'I thought I was in a good position. He gave me a good run. I had a good trip, saved ground and he made a good run.'Dylan Davis, jockey of third-place Win for the Money (No. 5): 'He ran great. I was in the garden spot there, sitting behind the leaders and saving ground on both turns. Wheeled him out there around the bend, but Deterministic got a little turn-of-foot on me, but 'Win' [for the Money] was nice and steady to the wire. I just think that that little turn-of-foot [from the winner] got him, but he ran well and I was very happy with his effort.'
Umberto Rispoli, jockey of ninth-place beaten favorite Johannes (No. 3): 'I got knocked out of the gate right away. Coming off a layoff like that of six months [and] to get a huge bump out of the gate, it shuffled me a few lengths back. Going into the first turn, a really tight turn, I was in a spot, but then I had to come back because I didn't have enough horse [to hold position] and I would have put him in a bad spot. He kept clipping heels, and it definitely wasn't the place I wanted to sit around the course, but I know he's a horse who's capable of catching them in a couple of strides. The tight turns didn't help, and he kept switching his leads. Hopefully, he will come back sound because My Boy Prince hit me really well out of the gate. Going to regroup, go back home and see what happens.'
This story was originally reported by Paulick Report on Aug 2, 2025, where it first appeared.
