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Indhu Rubasingham: Meet the most important person in British theatre

Indhu Rubasingham: Meet the most important person in British theatre

Channel 430-04-2025

Newly appointed National Theatre Director Indhu Rubasingham becomes the first woman and person of colour to lead the theatre in its 60 year history.
She sat down with Krishnan Guru-Murthy to discuss art, diversity and censorship and taking on her 'dream job' in the latest episode of Ways to Change the World.
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