Q4 2024 Seacoast Banking Corporation of Florida Earnings Call

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29-01-2025

Charles Shaffer; Chairman of the Board, President, Chief Executive Officer; Seacoast Banking Corporation of Florida
Tracey Dexter; Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President; Seacoast Banking Corporation of Florida
Michael Young; Executive Vice President, Treasurer and Director of Investor Relations; SeacoaBanking Corporation of Florida
Wood Lay; Analyst; KBW
Russell Gunther; Analyst; Stevens
David Feaster; Analyst; Raymond James
Christopher Marinac; Analyst; Janney Montgomery Scott
David Bishop; Analyst; Hovde Group
Operator
Welcome to Seacoast Banking Corporation fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings conference call. My name is Jericho and I'll be your operator. (Operator Instructions) I have been asked to direct your attention to the statement at the end of the company's press release regarding forward booking statements. Seacoast will be discussing issues that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities and Exchange Act and its comments today are intended to be covered within the meaning of the act. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Charles Shaffer, Chairman and CEO Seacoast. That is Shaffer. You may begin.
Charles Shaffer
Okay, thank you Jericho. And good morning everyone. As we go through our presentation, we'll, we'll refer to the fourth quarter earning slide deck available at seacoast banking dotcom. I'm here today with Tracy Dexter, our Chief Financial Officer, Michael Young, our treasurer and director of Investor relations and James Stallings. Our Chief Credit Officer cco's team delivered an outstanding quarter. This period showcased profitability enhancements we've been focusing on while also demonstrating the organic growth and margin expansion we anticipated would materialize by late 2024 adjusted pre tax pre provision earnings were $56.6 million a 22% increase from the prior quarter and the net interest margin expanded by 22 basis points to 3.39%. Our strong granular core deposit franchise allowed us to reduce the cost of deposits by 26 basis points in the fourth quarter. While the team grew loans by 4% on an annualized basis, the adjusted return on tangible assets improved to 1.24% up from 0.98% and the adjusted efficiency ratio declined from 59.8% to 56.1%. Our capital position remains strong with a tangible common equity ratio of 9.6% and a cet one ratio of 14.8% asset quality metrics also improved, showing a significant decline in classified and criticized assets. This quarter marked a strong finish to 2024 and we're entering 2025 from a position of significant strength. Our investments and talent across our footprint has fully taken effect driving substantial onboarding and new relationships. And while we started the quarter slowly due to due to the two hurricanes, the team finished the quarter strong setting a record for loan production with originations of $900 million during the period, loan volume was well diversified encompassing both C&I and commercial real estate. We also ended the year on a high note, wealth management and treasury management fees overcoming lost revenue from service charges and interchange due to the hurricanes early in the quarter. And as we enter 2025 we're starting the year with strong momentum with all our business lines positioned for success with an improved yield curve and a stronger macroeconomic outlook. We're excited about the year ahead. We continue to see numerous opportunities to recruit growth focused talent and teams and we anticipate we'll see opportunities to deploy our strong capital position with that. I'll turn the call over to Tracy to walk through our financial results.
Tracey Dexter
Thank you, Chuck. Good morning, everyone, directing your attention to fourth quarter results beginning with slide 4 Seacoast reported net income of $34.1 million or $0.40 per share in the fourth quarter and adjusted net income of $40.6 million or $0.48 per share. Net interest income of $115.8 million is up 9% from the prior quarter. The cost of deposits declined 26 basis points to 2.08%. Net interest margin expanded 22 basis points to 3.39%. And excluding accretion acquired loans, net interest margin expanded 15 basis points to 3.05%. Noninterest income excluding securities activity increased 8% from the prior quarter. And expenses were well controlled. Resulting in improvement in the efficiency ratio to 56%. Loan production was strong with growth and balances near 4% on an annualized basis. Overcoming elevated payoffs and several strategic loan sales in the fourth quarter return on tangible assets increased to 1.06% on a GAAP basis and 1.24% on an adjusted basis return on tangible common equity increased to 10.9% on a GAAP basis and 12.74% on an adjusted basis. Tangible book value per share of $16.12 represents a 7% year over year increase with a decline in the fourth quarter due to the impact of changes in rates on other comprehensive income in the securities portfolio. Our capital position continues to be very strong. Cco's tier one capital ratio is 14.8% and the ratio of tangible common equity to tangible assets is 9.6%. Turning to slide 5 net interest income expanded by $9.1 million during the quarter. Driven primarily by lower deposit costs. The net interest margin expanded 22 basis points to 3.39% and excluding accretion acquired loans, expanded 15 basis points to 3.05% in the securities portfolio yields increased two basis points to 3.77%. Benefiting from recent purchases loan yields were down one basis point to 5.93% excluding accretion loan yields declined by 10 basis points to 5.48%. The impact of the lower fed funds rate on our variable rate portfolio along with interest adjustments resulting from the planned sale of consumer fintech loans accounted for the decrease. The cost of deposits decreased 26 basis points to 2.08%. Demonstrating the strength of our granular core deposit franchise built through our relationship focused banking model. Looking ahead to the first quarter, we expect continued expansion of net interest income and expect the core net interest margin to expand another approximately 7 to 10 basis points driven by continued loan and deposit growth and lower deposit costs for the full year 2025. Assuming no change in the yield curve and one fed rate cut, we expect to exit the year with core net interest margin around 3.35%. An additional rate cut could add another approximately five basis points. Moving to slide 6 noninterest income excluding securities activity increased $2 million in the fourth quarter to $25.5 million. Service charges declined largely due to fee waivers early in the fourth quarter, post hurricane. Beyond that, our investments in talent and significant market expansion. Across the state have resulted in continued growth in treasury management services to commercial customers. Other income was higher by $2.5 million including higher SB IC income and gains on loan sales. Looking ahead to the first quarter, we continue to focus on growing non-interest income and we expect non-interest income in a range from $20 million to $22 million. That's a modest step down from the fourth quarter to the first given the favorable items like loan sales and B IC income that positively impacted the fourth quarter. Moving to slide 7, our wealth division reached a number of internal milestones in 2024 including record new assets under management total. A has increased 20% year over year to $2.1 billion and has increased at a compound annual growth rate of 24% in the last five years on to slide. Eight non-interest expense in the fourth quarter was consistent with the guidance we provided coming in at $85.6 million a GAAP basis. Continued investments have been focused on acquiring revenue producing talent while maintaining strong expense control. We continue to remain focused on profitability and performance and expect continued disciplined management of overhead and the efficiency ratio. Moving to slide. Nine loan outstandings increased at an annualized rate of 3.7% record production of over $900 million. In the fourth quarter had funding levels of approximately 50% offsetting strong production in the quarter were elevated payoffs and approximately $40 million in loan sales. Loan sales included the disposition of two larger commercial real estate relationships. Each generating a gain on sale and reducing classified loan balances also sold were consumer fintech loans acquired in 2022 which had contributed about eight basis points to charge offs. In 2024 loan yields were down excluding accretion by 10 basis points. Approximately 27% of the loan portfolio is comprised of variable rate loans which saw rate changes in line with movements in market rates. In addition, the cleanup of the consumer fintech portfolios resulted in adjustments to interest income of approximately 500,000 accretion continues to be variable and was elevated this quarter in line with elevated payoffs. Looking forward, we expect core loan yields in the first quarter to stabilize the pipeline remains strong and we expect low to mid single digit loan growth in the coming quarter. Moving toward high single digit growth by the end of the year. Turning to slide 10 portfolio diversification in terms of asset mix industry and loan type has been a critical element of the company's lending strategy. Exposure is broadly distributed and we continue to be vigilant in maintaining our disciplined conservative credit culture, nonowner occupied commercial real estate loans represent 35% of all loans and are distributed across industries and collateral types. As we have for many years, we consistently manage our portfolio to keep construction and land development loans and commercial real estate loans. Well below regulatory guidance, these measures are significantly below the peer group at 36% and 224% of consolidated risk based capital respectively. We've managed our loan portfolio with diverse distribution across categories and retaining granularity to manage risk. Moving on to credit topics on slide 11, the allowance for credit losses totaled $138.1 million or 1.34% of total loans compared to 1.38% in the prior quarter. The allowance for credit losses combined with the $128 million remaining unrecognized discount on acquired loans totals $266 million or 2.6% of total loans that's available to cover potential losses, providing substantial loss absorption capacity. Moving to slide. 12, looking at quarterly trends and credit metrics contributing to charge offs in the fourth quarter, we entered into arrangements to sell approximately $20 million in consumer fintech loans. And as a result, charge down these loans by $3 million nonperforming loans represented 0.9% of total loans while an increase from the prior quarter. Additions to non-accrual loans in the fourth quarter included a small number of credits for which no loss is expected as collateral values are well in excess of the loan balances benefiting from the sale of two commercial real estate loan relationships. The ratio of criticized and classified loans to total loans decreased to 2.17%. Moving to slide 13 and the investment securities portfolio, the average yield on securities has benefited from purchases in recent quarters at higher yields including a restructure executed early in the fourth quarter and the portfolio yield increased during the fourth quarter to 3.77%. We took advantage of favorable market conditions and repositioned a portion of the available for sale portfolio. In October, we sold securities with proceeds of approximately $113 million with an average book yield of 2.8% resulting in a pretax loss of approximately $8 million impacting fourth quarter results. The proceeds were reinvested in agency mortgage backed securities with a book yield of approximately 5.4% for an estimated earnback of less than three years on to slide. 14 in the deposit portfolio, total deposits were 12.2 billion flat from the prior quarter. The cost of deposits declined 26 basis points to 2.08%. We remain keenly focused on organic growth and are very encouraged about the continued activity and focus across the franchise on deposit gathering on slide. 15 Seacoast continues to benefit from a diverse deposit base. Customer transaction accounts represent 50% of total deposits which continues to highlight our long-standing relationship focused approach. Our customers are highly engaged and have a long history with us and low average balances reflect the granular relationship nature of our franchise. And finally, on slide, 16, our capital position continues to be very strong and we're committed to maintaining our fortress balance sheet, tangible book value per share increased 7% year over year to $16.12. And the ratio of tangible common equity to tangible assets remains exceptionally strong at 9.6%. Our risk based and tier one capital ratios are among the highest in the industry. In summary, we remain steadfastly committed to driving shareholder value and our consistent disciplined expense management positions us well as we continue to build Florida's leading regional bank, I'll now turn the call back over to Chuck.
Charles Shaffer
Thank you, Tracy and operator. I think we're ready for Q&A.
Operator
(Operator Instructions) And our first question comes from Wood Lay from KBW. Please go ahead.
Wood Lay
Hey, good morning, guys.
Charles Shaffer
Good morning, good morning.
Wood Lay
Wanted to start on the loan growth front. I mean, it was a pretty strong quarter, given the elevated payoffs and, and some of the other headwinds there, it looks like the pipeline is a little bit down entering the first quarter. But how are you thinking about loan growth in the year ahead.
Charles Shaffer
Yeah, and I think Tracy provided her guide of low to mid single digits, sort of early in the year into moving to high single digits late in the year. I think it's the kind of the way to think about it. I would look at the pipeline is typical just seasonality. Typically, we clear the pipeline at the end of the year. The first quarter is usually a little slower start and then it builds beyond that already here in the first 30 days of the year, the pipelines built back up. So I'm really confident about where we're headed there. Built a great team. They continued on board, a lot of relationships. So we're, we're headed the right direction.
Wood Lay
Got it and, and then any color on the yield on new production and how that compared relative to the third quarter? Are you seeing any impact on loan rates from increased competition?
Michael Young
Hey, Woody, this is Michael. Yeah, we saw in the fourth quarter, we were at about a little above 7% on add on rates. It was a little lower. I think that was just a pull through from kind of the lower rate environment we saw at the end of the third quarter. But now as the long end of the curve has come in higher as we enter 2025 that's really supportive of our loan add on rates. That's there is competition certainly. And we remain mindful of that and we're, we'll compete on price for good relationships but not on structure. So we'll keep an eye on that. But we still feel, I think they're actually very good about the yield curve and its shape headed into 2025 and not being supportive of our, loan yields and, and higher loan yields throughout the year.
Wood Lay
Got it. And then lastly, in the opening comments, you mentioned that there could be some opportunities to deploy some access capital later in the year in the in the year. Would it would that be primarily through M&A and just any update on your overall thoughts on M&A?
Charles Shaffer
Yeah, I would say, post election conversations have accelerated, I think generally across Florida and across the industry. So, we think we may have opportunities to put capital work as the year moves on. You know, we did look at a few things prior quarter that really we're, we didn't like the pricing on. So we passed on them, but, but we are active in the M&A market and, and we will be opportunistic if something comes along. All right, thanks for taking my.
Wood Lay
All right, thanks for taking my. Questions. Congrats on.
Charles Shaffer
The good quarter. Thanks.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Russell Gunther from Stevens. Please go ahead.
Russell Gunther
Hey, good morning guys.
Charles Shaffer
Russell morning.
David Feaster
Russell.
Russell Gunther
I wanted to follow up on the loan sales in the quarter. I think you mentioned a couple of portfolios. So just for a point of clarification my end, is it the $20 million of consumer fintech? Is that what was sold or is there anything beyond that in for results?
Tracey Dexter
Right, the fourth quarter included about $20 million also in sales of a couple of non-performing commercial real estate relationships. So with the purchase discount that remained on those loans, those ended up with a gain on sale during the fourth quarter. So, $20 million in commercial real estate and then the $20 million in consumer fintech nearly fully resolve the kind of run off portfolios in consumer fintech that we acquired a couple of years ago.
Russell Gunther
Okay. Thank you, Tracy. That's helpful. And then in terms of Chuck, you touched on it a bit in terms of the acceleration expected in loan growth throughout the course of the year. I'm just curious embedded in that. How are you guys thinking about the pace of payoffs and the headwind that may or may not present for you guys?
Michael Young
Hey, Russell, this is Michael. I'll take that one. You know, we had a higher payoff quarter in the fourth quarter. We had kind of signaled that I think on the third quarter call, which is why we're, more at a mid single digit growth rate. Also with the impact of hurricanes in the fourth quarter, we don't have the same lumpiness in terms of maturities as we move into 2025. So it should be, better in terms of our ability to generate net loan growth. So we have a very strong production quarter in the fourth quarter, but offset by the payoffs, we don't have those same headwinds really as we move forward into 2025. But we do still have maturities of that lower rate, fixed rate, portfolio that are burning off about $600 million there in the, kind of high fours that'll reset now with the higher yield curve into a much higher rate environment.
Russell Gunther
Thanks Michael. I appreciate it. And then just also circling back to the deployment of excess capital. I just curious if you guys are thinking about or how you guys are thinking about continuing to kind of nip and tuck at the securities portfolio with restructuring throughout 2025. And if so, whether or not that's embedded in the, in the guide provided earlier.
Michael Young
Hey Russell, this is Michael again. You know, we evaluated, as we've said, frequently when we've seen opportunities where the earn back got inside of three years, we felt like that was an attractive use of capital. We aren't there right now, but we'll continue to evaluate that as we move forward and look for opportunities. But, I think we will see how the environment unfolds and where the rate environment is to see whether or not that's going to be beneficial or the right use of capital versus our other capital priorities. And then whether that's embedded into our guide, if not currently at this time.
Russell Gunther
Great, thanks Michael. And then just one last one for me, commentary around expenses were in line with expectations for this quarter. Apologies if I missed it, but just how are you guys thinking about the expense run rate over the course of 2025?
Tracey Dexter
Yeah, I think, we've been really successful in executing on our expense discipline initiatives across the organization. Looking ahead as you know, there's some seasonality to expenses that'll impact the first quarter. You'll always see things like higher FICA and 401-K kind of lifting expenses in the first quarter through the year. We'll continue to look for opportunities to invest in growth. So I expect some variability throughout the year, but we'll continue to, to manage our disciplined approach.
Russell Gunther
Very good. Thanks, Tracy. Hey, thanks guys for taking all of my questions.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from David Feaster from Raymond James. Please go ahead.
David Feaster
Hi, good morning everybody. David. I wanted to circle back to the, to the growth side and the guidance for accelerating growth over the course of the year. You know, look the origination activity is extremely encouraging. What you guys have been able to do is great. I I'm curious how much of the expectations for the acceleration and growth is driven by, expectations for improving demand versus you gaining share in the continued hires that, that you've got just, high level, just curious, what's the pulse of the market from your perspective? And what are you expecting the growth to be driven by?
Charles Shaffer
Well, as you know, David, we made a lot of investments in talent over the last 12 to 24 months. And importantly, in 2020 late 2,223 we held back on lending during that period. One, because the rates were lower and two due to just the environment that I think served us very well because it gave us a very attractive liquidity position today that we can put to work. So as we continue to onboard teams, they view that as an opportunity to come on and join us and we have the, we have the balance sheet to grow as we move forward. So primarily in the guide and what we expect is is growth driven by the investments we've made in talent across the franchise demand remains reasonably strong. It seems to be growing, I think the 10 year part of the curve will be kind of the wild card as to whether or not demand remains strong if the 10 year holds in where it is, I think you'll continue to see demand in the marketplace. Competition is definitely out there. Again, some of the super-regional and national banks have kind of moved back in the commercial real estate market where they're out of it for a while. But you know, I feel confident in our ability to hit our objectives. We got a great team. They're onboarding, great relationships and pipeline is already growing through the first part of this year.
David Feaster
That's great. That's great. And you have had a lot of success hiring and, and just listen to kind of the prepared comments. It sounds like there might be some appetite for additional hires. You know, there's obviously been some disruption, the state from M&A expectations that, more is going to come. The credit unions have been, pretty active much to everybody's chagrin. But just kind of curious your thoughts on hiring and, and, capitalizing on some of this disruption and, yeah, just curious what you guys are looking at there.
Charles Shaffer
Yeah, we continue to see a lot of opportunity to hire. It's almost too much opportunity because we're having to balance back to the profitability. And so we're balancing profitability to hiring and growth and trying to find that right mix. But yeah, there's, there's still a lot of opportunities to put and grow our team across, across the state. And so we'll, we'll, we'll manage the profitability. I think our primary focus right now is driving our profitability metrics in the right direction and then, we'll balance that back against growth. But I think we got the right mix now with the, with the great team and the right prospects for growth. And so we'll continue to balance it all out, but I feel good about we're at.
David Feaster
And, and, and maybe along those same lines, I mean, it, the stage is set for some pretty material, you know, revenue growth. You know, it sounds like expense growth, it's, there's there's some investment opportunities on the horizon. How do, how do you think about the profitability profile of the bank and the ability to drive positive operating leverage this year? Just as some of these, investments come to fruition and sounds like maybe, just depending on the revenue growth and loan growth outlook, some of that might flow to the expense side and we reinvest it.
Michael Young
Hey, David, this is Michael, I'll take that one on operating leverage. We definitely will show positive operating leverage this year with the margin and then I dynamics that's going to be a nice tailwind, I think I would kind of anchor us back to what we've talked about in the past. We used to be sort of a 50 to 55% efficiency ratio company when we were driving sort of an M&A growth model now that we're shifting increasingly towards organic growth. It comes with a little higher efficiency ratio as well as with the mid just being a mid sized bank. So that 55 to 60% range is something we plan to manage within. And you know, we'll have normal sort of inflationary pressures on the expense base base year to year. And then we'll just see, kind of what the talent pipeline looks like and the opportunities ahead.
Charles Shaffer
Maybe if I could just follow up David, if you think back David to kind of how we managed through, back in 2,223 you know, we held back on growth during that period, we bolstered liquidity, given the market dynamics, we allowed capital to grow. And that's all kind of set us up to this position where we are where we were conservative during that period, built, the team migrated to a mid sized bank, built the compliance function and, and made the right investments there. And so we're now at the, you know, the sort of right moment, if you will of we've made the investments, it's time to capitalize on those investments. And if the market continues to provide a solid yield curve here, I think, it would be a lot of opportunity for us. That's terrific. Thanks.
David Feaster
Everybody.
Charles Shaffer
Like they've.
Operator
Our next question comes from Christopher Marinac from Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead.
Christopher Marinac
Thanks, good morning. Tracy, I want to go back to the margin. And sort of cost of funds discussion if the fed doesn't cut rates further, is there a, possibility that that deposit cost is kind of go flat and maybe even pick up if treasuries go back up. I'm just curious, kind of what, what is possible that I know that the first quarter, first half guide that you gave us and just kind of think thinking beyond that.
Tracey Dexter
Yeah, our current forecast includes one fed rate cut in the middle of the year. We're we're seeing the benefit now of, being able to address the deposit cost and, and and be proactive about some of that, that'll continue a little bit, but I think you'll see some meaningful stabilization in deposit cost, Michael, you want to expand on that.
Michael Young
Yeah, maybe Chris just to start the year, we're down from even the December level. So we're starting from a very strong position there. You know, some stability, I think initially in deposit costs and then if we don't see a rate cut mid year, maybe a slight drift upwards from there but very slight. And then on the flip side, right, the there's two sides to that equation the loan yield side, we still feel very positive about the backbook re pricing trend. That should outpace the deposit costs and lead to that margin expansion as we move throughout the year.
Christopher Marinac
Great. Thanks for the additional caller and then just back on the, on the criticized classified improvement that we saw this quarter. Chuck. Do you see any, any changes with either, loans maturing or just re appraisal process that would just cause those criticized to go back up? It's not as much a loss question as it is just sort of direction that ratio.
Charles Shaffer
I think I characterized, we feel really good about our asset quality position. I think we've managed the bank conservatively for a number of years now and our classified criticized ratios are are, fairly strong compared to are actually really strong compared to the industry in general. And so, I think it it's it's stable at this point, Chris, I don't know of any reason why classified criticized would increase from here.
Christopher Marinac
Great. Thanks for taking all of our questions this morning.
Operator
Our next question comes from David Bishop from Hovde Group. Please go ahead. Yeah, good morning.
Charles Shaffer
Folks.
David Bishop
Quick question, Chuck in terms of maybe visibility in terms of the deposit pipeline here. It looks like this quarter maybe lead to cash and you know, short term liquidity to fund the loan growth. How should we think about, funding of loan growth in 25?
Charles Shaffer
I'll make a few high level comments and let Michael jump in here, but given our low loan deposit ratio, we're not out competing in the high rate CD market and not out competing for the higher cost transactional deposits. We're focused solely on, relationships based sort of relationships. And so it's, we're focused on DD A and, and bringing on operating accounts and that's, that's, takes, takes longer, but it's the right stuff to do. It's building franchise value. And so, we, we're going to stay out of the higher rate stuff but Michael, you want to talk a little bit about that.
Michael Young
Yeah, the one other, just kind of nuanced thing here, but you know, given the low loan to deposit ratio, we can grow deposits at a slower pace on a percentage basis than loans and still fully fund the loan book. So, I think we feel pretty good about our ability to grow deposits this year with some of the headwinds from 23 and 24 sort of remediating and the progress we made on deposit costs in the fourth quarter. We're, starting from a good spot on a cost basis so we can be competitive as we move throughout 2025 that said if you know, if we were less successful on the deposit side, we do have over $350 million in securities book cash flow that would come in throughout the year. That could be used to help fund loan growth without having to sell any security. So just giving you a couple of moving pieces, but we feel good about, deposit growth in 2025.
David Bishop
Okay, perfect. And then maybe a question for, for Tracy, I assume some of the uptick in the purchase accounting accretion income this quarter was a function of some of the payoffs. You mentioned, just curious as we think is maybe you know, as a as a percent of the margin or so, a contribution of margin, I think this this year was like 31 basis points on average per quarter, maybe do you see that sort of stuff? I assume it steps down and maybe should we think about an average in the low, low 20 basis point range contribution margin? How should we think about that during the year?
Tracey Dexter
Yeah, David, I think, I think that's right to think about it stepping down over time, the accretion remains quite variable and, and difficult to predict the fourth quarter, as you said, was a bit higher, kind of aligned with elevated payoff. I would think maybe looking ahead, we'd see something more aligned with the levels in the third quarter or before, which was kind of on the lower end. Recent quarterly results have ranged from maybe $9 million to $10 million a quarter in accretion. So working off that number, maybe the lower end of that range is a good estimate for going forward. But again, really difficult to predict.
David Bishop
Got it. Appreciate the color.
Operator
There. No further questions at this time. Mister Shafer, I turn the call back over to you.
Charles Shaffer
Okay? Thank you and appreciate everybody joining the call and appreciate Seacoast team. You guys did an awesome job. It was a great quarter and look forward to talking to you next quarter. I think that will conclude our call. Thank you, sir.
Operator
This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining you. May now disconnect.