
Wales rugby bosses say cutting professional teams to two is best option
Date: 18:41 BST
Title: 'Hell hath no fury like a rugby nation scorned'
Content: BBC Radio Wales
Rugby journalist and sports broadcaster Peter Jackson says fans' anger is merely at the tip of the iceberg as it stands, and he expects it to ramp up among the next few weeks.
"Hell hath no fury like a rugby nation scorned", he told BBC Radio Wales Drive.
He says he thinks the concept of having an east and west Wales team is fine, but struggles with the "lack of a geographical dimension" with the proposal.
"Where does east Wales begin and end, where does west Wales begin and end?" he asks, adding: "We're talking basically are we not about Cardiff and Swansea?"
Jackson says the only region "high and dry" among the proposals is Cardiff, because it's in the capital city, and is owned by the WRU.
Despite questions around how it will operate, Jackson applauded the union for the radical plan, adding that the WRU were ultimately left with two choices.
These are either continuing with four fully professional teams, he said, "hopelessly underfunded and unable to punch their weight", or the alternative of creating two regional teams properly resourced to be competitive.
As a journalist for more than 50 years, Jackson says he remembers a time when there were 16 Welsh rugby clubs in Wales, which was "the envy of the world".
"It has gone from 16 to nine, to five, to four, and now inevitably, to two."
"Serious times," he adds, "but we cannot go on as we have done for the last 16 years".
Update:
Date: 18:28 BST
Title: Could Welsh rebels play in England?
Content: Matt LloydBBC Sport at Principality Stadium
Some fans have mooted the possibility of resurrecting the infamous rebel season of 1998-99 and having their team playing in England if they are to be cut by the Welsh Rugby Union.
Well, that might be far easier said than done.
Firstly - officially - the Welsh Rugby Union would have to give the go-ahead to a Welsh team playing elsewhere and - interestingly - at today's press conference they declined to say they would stand in any team's way.
But without the WRU's funding, the chances of any region being allowed into, for example, Premiership Rugby in England are exceptionally slim... and that's if English clubs wanted it.
WRU chief executive said: "The idea that two clubs that were no
longer supported by the WRU could play in the English Premiership franchise,
understanding what the minimum standards that are required [in that league], it would be very, very difficult.
"I think it's a bit of a red herring to suggest that."
Director of rugby Dave Reddin added: "We've got to think of the bigger picture and in the short term, that [playing in England] is not a viable option.
"We're dealing with what we've got. We're competing in the URC, that's our focus and the ambition is to be winning that."
Update:
Date: 18:09 BST
Title: 'You can't take the emotion out of it'
Content: Charlie BucklandBBC News
Scarlets fan Jenny Tillier, 75, says "you can't take the emotion out of something you have been with for years".
"Llanelli has been known for years," she told BBC Wales.
"You can't take the emotion out of it, the emotion is there. It's always been an emotional game".
Other Scarlets fans have been voicing their passion through an online petition calling for the rugby club to be saved, which currently has 930 signatures.
The petition says the club is the "cornerstone of our community", adding its potential loss is not just a matter of sports but "a blow to cultural and communal identity here in west Wales".
Update:
Date: 17:52 BST
Title: 'It's not all pounds and pence'
Content: BBC Radio Wales
Former Wales, Lions and Scarlets wing, Dafydd James, who played at the start of the regional project, says the announcement has been "another firework set off in the WRU fall of fame".
Speaking to BBC Radio Wales Drive, James compares the regions to a "house of cards built on sand foundations" adding: "We done exceptionally well for what we had with the structure in place."
James says he feels for the players but agreed that something needs to dramatically change.
He says here isn't enough support for youth rugby or enough resources within schools to develop young players, something which he says needs to be prioritised.
"If they are going to be two teams which it does appear, west and east, there has got to be a total re-brand, says James, adding that there has to be a revival of the youth club scene to "get that hunger and desire" in rugby again, for both players and supporters.
"It is very much part of culture within Wales, people go out on a Saturday afternoon and watch a game of rugby watch a game of football, and that's their way of venting and getting out there," he adds.
"It's not all pounds and pence.
"There is a lot to be mixed in the pot, but it seems it will be rubber stamped."
Update:
Date: 17:36 BST
Title: Why does Welsh Rugby Union want a 'radical' refresh?
Content: Wales' men's national team basked in a golden era after rugby went regional here in 2003.
They won four Six Nations Grand Slams in 14 years and reached the World Cup semi-finals twice.
The Welsh team reached number one in the world too, and the British and Irish Lions picked 10 Welshmen in their third Test win over Australia in 2013.
But they have since slumped to a record 18-match losing streak - going 644 days without a win - and slipped to 12th in the world rankings this year.
Then just two Wales players were picked for the British and Irish Lions tour to Australia this summer.
The Ospreys have won four league titles and Scarlets two but no Welsh team has won it since 2017.
The Cardiff region has won two European Challenge Cups - the second tier European competition - but the last of which was in 2018.
Only one Welsh region - the Scarlets in 2017/18 - have reached the quarter finals of the Champions Cup in 13 years.
Update:
Date: 17:18 BST
Title: 'We feel up here, we're in no man's land, the forgotten part'
Content: Charlie BucklandBBC News
Emlyn Jones, the chair of Aberystwyth Rugby Club, which falls under the Scarlets catchment, says regional rugby has been "a bit of a mess" over the past few years, and the WRU "hasn't done what they should", especially in mid and north Wales.
Mr Jones says: "We feel up here, we're in no man's land, the forgotten part."
Reacting to the announcement, Mr Jones says Wales has the players, but many are going over the border to England in order to play professionally.
"With several going to Hartpury, Sedbergh, Gloucester, Oxford, all across the border, and only then have they gone on to win caps for Wales," he says.
"It's a loss for the club, for the area, for the Welsh language and for the regions in Wales.
"The current set up isn't working at it's failing our youngsters," he says, adding six players have left the club this year.
While Mr Jones says it's a "very sad time", he is hopeful the "home of rugby" can push forward, however the politics of these regions, where they're located and who runs them, still remains unanswered.
Update:
Date: 17:02 BST
Title: Cardiff 'committed' to keeping professional rugby in the capital
Content: Michael PearlmanBBC Sport Wales
OK, we've already heard from the Ospreys after the Welsh Rugby Union announced it's proposals to cut the number of men's professional teams from four to two.
Now Cardiff, who are now owned by the WRU after entering administration earlier this year, have given their views.
"Following today's announcement from the Welsh Rugby Union, Cardiff Rugby
would like to clarify their representation in the process," they wrote.
"The club are also in the process of appointing a new independent
chair. The new chair will play a key role during this consultation
period.
"As a club, we remain committed to ensuring professional rugby
continues in Cardiff and will give all key stakeholders – included but not
limited to employees, supporters and partners – the opportunity to provide
comprehensive feedback.
"We welcome the opportunity to actively engage in this consultation
process and will do so with best interests of Cardiff Rugby at heart."
Cardiff have won two European Challenge Cups since the game went professional
Update:
Date: 16:48 BST
Title: 'Why Welsh rugby needs an east and west Wales team'
Content: BBC Radio Wales
Former Wales captain Paul Thorburn has told BBC Radio Wales' Phone In why he thinks the Welsh Rugby Union need to create two completely new teams in their shake-up.
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Former Wales captain Paul Thorburn tells BBC Radio Wales why an east and west team will be better than keeping two of the existing regions.
Update:
Date: 16:38 BST
Title: Here's a bit more detail of Welsh rugby's plan
Content: Matt LloydBBC Sport at Principality Stadium
It remains unclear whether the two future sides being proposed will be new entities or existing teams.
The Welsh Rugby Union has proposed:
Update:
Date: 16:20 BST
Title: 'Who wants to play for a team with no history and fans'
Content: Michael PearlmanBBC Sport Wales
Joe Hawkins is one of the first
current players to give their thoughts on the Welsh Rugby Union proposals and
he doesn't seem impressed.
"I think everyone agrees change is needed, but going down to two
from four seems very short sighted,' the Wales and Scarlets centre wrote on X.
'It will definitely increase squad quality and maybe success
short term but probably at the cost of the little fans Welsh rugby has left
walking away which will kill the
game and even more players heading to England at a young age due to lack of
playing opportunities.
'What happens
then in five years when there is no fans and all the best young players are
over the bridge with no one coming through?
'Also, as a
player, if two new teams are made then who wants to play for a team with no
history and no loyal and passionate supporters? All the best Welsh players will
want that and find it outside of Wales.'
Update:
Date: 16:13 BST
Title: A big day in Welsh rugby - here's all you need to know
Content: Eleri GriffithsBBC News
It's been another seismic day in Welsh rugby - here's what you need to know:
It's a pivotal day in Welsh rugby so stick with us for all the updates and reaction.
The Welsh Rugby Union has held a press conference at the Principality Stadium to unveil its plans
Update:
Date: 16:01 BST
Title: 'You cannot mix Ospreys and Scarlets'
Content: Jordan DaviesBBC News at Rodney Parade
We'll bring you fan reaction as soon as we get it on the Welsh Rugby Union's proposals to half the number of men's professional teams from four to two.
But Denise and Jaff sum it nicely as they explain how most Welsh rugby fans will be feeling this afternoon.
'I'm an Ospreys fan - you cannot mix the Ospreys and the Scarlets," said Jaff, 66 on a day out in Newport.
Wife Denise says she's unhappy with the proposed changes, adding that the current four-region setup is 'really nice' as it is.
"You'll get people saying 'I don't want any Dragons in my team'," said the 68-year-old Dragons fan. "I don't know how this mix will work."
'I'm an Ospreys fan, you cannot mix the Ospreys and the Scarlets," says Jaff (left)
Update:
Date: 15:50 BST
Title: Welsh rugby bosses braced for legal battle
Content: The Welsh Rugby Union admit their "radical" proposal to cut two regions has potential for a legal battle with clubs and leagues.
The governing body's chief executive has told the press conference announcing their shake-up plans that they have already spoken to United Rugby Championship league about cutting regions.
"We
have spoken to the URC executive and then the shareholders of the shareholder
unions, Ireland, Scotland, Italy, South Africa," she said.
"I think their key
message is we recognise that you need to do something
different.
"They are very clear that their preference would be for us to have continued as
is but they recognise that that is increasingly challenging for us."
The Welsh Rugby Union have said that they will stick by "our obligations in those agreements".
Update:
Date: 15:34 BST
Title: Ospreys say Welsh rugby plan has 'interesting ideas within it'
Content: The Ospreys are the first of the four current Welsh men's professional regions to have their say on the Welsh Rugby Union's proposals to cut teams.
They posted on X: "We have reviewed the WRU's consultation document and welcome the opportunity to engage constructively in this process.
"There are some interesting ideas within it, including options that we feel hold real potential, alongside others that present more challenges.
"We look forward to working closely with the WRU and all stakeholders to help shape a system that serves the best interests of the Ospreys, our supporters, and the wider Welsh game.
"Details will follow shortly for a supporters' evening, where we will share more of our views and, importantly, listen to the views of our supporters.
#OurBloodIsBlack"
The Ospreys won two league titles and lifted the 2008 Anglo-Welsh trophy
Update:
Date: 15:26 BST
Title: Prefered locations of new teams not decided
Content: Matt LloydBBC Sport at Principality Stadium
While the Welsh Rugby Union have proposed halving their number of men's professional clubs from four to two, they have not indicated their preferred locations for clubs or names.
While fans of the Ospreys, Dragons, Scarlets and Cardiff nervously wait, the governing body insist that no decision has yet been made.
The WRU has revealed that there are, in fact, four models that have been put forward for the number of professional clubs.
The Union has said the timescale for any changes will be dictated by their chosen option.
A consultation period will begin on 1 September with regions, clubs, players and fans encouraged to get involved before a final recommendation is made in mid-October, with that month's WRU board to make a final decision.
Update:
Date: 15:13 BST
Title: 'We know this will hurt'
Content: Matt LloydBBC Sport at Principality Stadium
Welsh Rugby Union's chief executive Abi Tierney has been speaking at a press conference at the Principality Stadium.
"We know how emotional rugby is and that people will be
hurting when thinking about what this could mean for their team," she said.
"Not everyone is going to be happy but I don't think
carrying on as we are is the right thing for fans either.
"We had to do something radically different to get us
to a better place and that everyone can get behind and we hope people will step
out of their corner.
"Change is hard, and this is going to be hard, but I think it will get us to a better place.
'We are clear that the current rugby model in Wales is no longer delivering what our game needs, that's why we're inviting views on the opportunities for change we've put forward.'
Update:
Date: 15:05 BST
Title: 'Radical step' proposed to save Welsh rugby
Content: Matt LloydBBC Sport at Principality Stadium
Welsh Rugby bosses insist cutting the number of professional men's clubs from four to two is the "radical step" needed to save the game in Wales.
The governing body has unveiled its controversial plan for the future of the elite game that puts Cardiff, Dragons, Ospreys and Scarlets at risk.
Among four models being considered is the "optimal" choice of halving the number of professional teams.
The Welsh Rugby Union has not indicated their preferred locations for
clubs or names and insist that no decisions have yet been made.
A consultation period will begin on 1 September before a
recommendation will be sent in mid-October to the WRU board to make a final decision.
Update:
Date: 15:00 BST
Title: CONFIRMED: Welsh rugby proposes to cut clubs
Content: Matt LloydBBC Sport at Principality Stadium
Welsh Rugby Union confirms cutting number of professional men's clubs from four to two is best option for the game in Wales.
More to come on this big breaking news from Welsh rugby HQ.
Update:
Date: 14:46 BST
Title: 'The Scarlets have got to be involved'
Content: Sara DafyddBBC News at Parc y Scarlets
Right we've heard from fans at the Dragons in Newport, now to the other end of the M4 to Llanelli to for some reaction from fans outside the Scarlets ground at Parc Y Scarlets.
'I think given the heritage and the fanbase we've got here, I think Scarlets have got to be involved," said fan Richard Esney, from Llanelli.
Scarlets fan and Sosbans and Sidesteps podcast host Ben Griffiths feels the Welsh Rugby Union's proposal risks 'alienating the very fans that are its lifeblood'.
Although no teams have been named, the 37-year-old from Pontarddulais says: "A world without the Scarlets is a world I don't want to partake in. If we go, I'm done with Welsh rugby."
For Ben, merging sides is a move "perceived as a short sighted attempt to solve financial woes by sacrificing the heritage and community ties that make Welsh rugby unique".
'It's not just 80 minutes of rugby we'd lose - it's the friendships, the days out, the sense of community. It's a huge part of my life."
Scarlets fan Ben Griffiths doesn't want a world without the Scarlets
Update:
Date: 14:35 BST
Title: 'Difficult to envisage supporting brand new teams'
Content: Tomos MorganBBC News
Ryan Price, treasurer of the Dragons Official Supporters Club, says Welsh rugby's situation is "incredibly frustrating".
"We're told this is an open consultation on the WRU's proposals, this is just an optimal solution they may consider changing," he said.
"But at the same time you have a statement from the chief executive saying it is very difficult to see a situation where Cardiff is not part of that solution."
He says although there is an acceptance "radical change" is needed, it's "difficult to envisage supporting brand new teams with new names".
'We are comparatively lucky, we are only 30 miles on the train from Gloucester," said Mr Price.
"There are opportunities to support top level rugby that hasn't been pulled out from under your feet'.

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Rugby player forced to retire after suffering 13 concussions
A former rugby player who was forced to give up the sport after suffering repeated concussions has spoken about his struggle with his mental Stephen, 30, started playing rugby in York aged eight, but had to walk away from the game aged 25 after his 13th concussion in three said leaving the sport behind "felt like my whole life had caved in" and he began suffering with migraines, tinnitus, nausea and panic attacks, and was later diagnosed with post-concussion he is raising money and awareness for the York Mind charity as well as encouraging others struggling with their mental health to seek help. Mr Stephen, from York, was playing for Edinburgh Academical when he was given the news he could no longer play contact sports as a result of his repeated head injuries"The last thing you remember was being happy, playing the sport that you love," he said."The next thing you're aware of are bright lights above your head, paramedics are fussing over you, you're strapped to the headboard and you have no idea what's happened."He said he had "no idea" about the effects of concussion and would rush back to playing "as soon as I could".However he said his final concussion resulted in him suffering a seizure on the pitch."I couldn't remember that whole day, but being shown footage of the injury and how severe the incident really started to take a toll on me." He said being told he could no longer play rugby came as a huge blow and had become "the catalyst for things starting to go wrong"."You work so hard to get to a certain level of playing the sport that you love, and you're in your prime," he said."To have that removed in an instant had a real severe impact on me mentally."My migraines started to get so bad I couldn't get out of bed, I had severe tinnitus and nausea every day."I had panic attacks and I'd put on weight, and I was getting three to four hours of sleep maximum."I still wanted to be the Nick that people knew, but I was no longer that person."It was at this point that Mr Stephen's parents called for an ambulance and he was taken into hospital for crisis care."I was given a diagnosis of post-concussion syndrome, which means that the concussion can last for years. And then it all clicked, it all made sense," he said."The doctor said to me, it's like breaking your leg 13 times and expecting it to be the same."If you have been affected by any of the issues in this story you can seek help and support via the BBC's Action line pages Nathan Garbutt-Moore from Wakefield-based charity Second Chance Headway, which supports people with brain injuries, said: "We find that concussion can significantly impact on mental health, leading to a number of problems such as anxiety, depression and PTSD."It is a life changing event. For some people they'll go on to recover within a matter of weeks or months."But for others, they can be left with damage for the rest of their life, so it's important they have the right support in place." Mr Stephen is now aiming to complete a series of three endurance challenges - a 50km ultramarathon, 24 hours of weightlifting and the national three peaks - all within ten days to raise money for York also said he wants to use his experience to encourage others to seek support for their mental health, especially men."Had I sought help a little bit earlier, that intervention could have happened sooner, and things would have never got as bad as they did."I had this image as a bit of a rugby lad, and I didn't really understand it."If someone told me they were struggling, I'd say 'crack on, you'll be fine', and tell them to run it off."But now, I would just encourage young men to come forward, it's the bravest thing you can do." Listen to highlights from North Yorkshire on BBC Sounds, catch up with the latest episode of Look North.