Conclave writer says debate over women priests will be 'big issue' for new pope

Sky News

06-05-2025

The writer of Conclave has said he believes the role of women in the Catholic Church will be a "big issue" for the next pope.
Robert Harris, whose papal novel became a hit film, said the approach of Francis 's successor would be crucial and was a "profoundly political moment for the world".
Speaking on The News Hour with Mark Austin, he said he had been struck by how the gospels' teachings, such as the "necessity to get rid of all worldly wealth", appeared at odds with the grandeur associated with the papacy.
"When I compared that to the reality of the Vatican, it's hard not to be struck by the contrast," he said.
"And in particular, in the 21st century, can it really be the case that Christ did not intend half the world's population to play a full role in spreading his word?"
"I don't see how this cannot be the issue facing the church over the next few years," Harris added.
"The Jewish faith has female rabbis, the Anglicans have female bishops; can it really be the case that Roman Catholics cannot allow the ordination of women?
"Maybe they won't - but I cannot help but believe it will be a big issue," said Harris.
Catholicism does not allow women to become priests - a principle confirmed by Pope John Paul II in 1994 when he said the church had "no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women".
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Harris said he had deliberately included the pivotal character of Sister Agnes in his story to "give some voice to these women" - who otherwise are shown looking after the cardinals during conclave.
The secretive process to elect a new pope begins for real in the Sistine Chapel on Wednesday when 133 cardinals begin the first round of voting amid tight security.
All eyes will be on the lookout for the white smoke that signals they have reached a decision.
The author, a former political journalist, told Sky News his research for the book included speaking to a cardinal who had taken part in the conclave.
He said the protocols portrayed by the likes of Ralph Fiennes in the movie were all true to life and set out by the Vatican.
However, he added: "I'm dramatising something, trying to make it entertaining, so I doubt whether the conclave will be so full of skulduggery as the novel and film."
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Harris said the election of the new pope - which requires a two-thirds majority - made it a political as well as spiritual exercise for the cardinals.
He agreed the battle is likely to be between traditionalist cardinals and those who want to continue Francis's more informal, progressive approach.
Harris said the first South American pope "put a lot of noses out of joint in the grander bureaucracy of the church".
"Francis really laid down a marker to the old guard," he told Sky News.
"He didn't move into the papal apartments, he refused the elaborate papal cars - he wanted a little ordinary car to go around in; he used to dine in the cafeteria at nights with the nuns who run the Casa Santa Marta."
If Francis's successor reverts to convention and moves back into the Apostolic Palace, Harris said it would be an "indication of the direction the new pope will take the church".
Among the favourites to lead the world's 1.4 billion Catholics is Luis Tagle, a cardinal who could become the first Asian pope, and who has been likened to Pope Francis.
Two Italians are also strong contenders: Archbishop of Bologna, Matteo Zuppi, and the so-called "deputy pope" Pietro Parolin.
Harris said whatever approach the new pontiff takes - whether a liberal interpretation or more conservative - would have a real impact on some of today's most contentious issues, such as assisted dying for example.
"These crucial political decisions are greatly affected by the Roman Catholic Church," said Harris.
"The church is an immensely wealthy, powerful institution that reaches into all areas of society, whether you're Catholic or not. So this is a profoundly political moment for the world."