Matt Wright's friend accused of 'ridiculous', 'nonsensical' evidence during TV star's trial
Mr Wright has pleaded not guilty in the Northern Territory Supreme Court to three counts of attempting to pervert the course of justice following the crash that killed his television co-star Chris "Willow" Wilson.
Catch up on today's live coverage of Matt Wright's Supreme Court trial.
Prosecutors do not allege Mr Wright was responsible for the crash but that he feared the ensuing investigation would expose systemic under-reporting of flying hours for his company's helicopters.
On Thursday, Crown prosecutor Jason Gullaci SC played a covert recording of a conversation between Mr Wright and Jai Tomlinson from seven months after the crash, while Mr Tomlinson was in the witness box.
Mr Tomlinson said he had no memory of the conversation or being worried about his friend "being implicated" and denied he had asked him to destroy documents.
"If that had happened, would you expect that you'd remember it?" Mr Gullaci asked.
"Maybe," Mr Tomlinson replied.
"How many times in your life, prior to September 2022, has someone asked you to destroy a document in connection with an investigation?" Mr Gullaci asked.
"I don't know."
"What, it's happened a few times?"
"As I said, I don't remember back."
"Is that something that has ever happened in your life?"
"Probably not."
Mr Tomlinson denied he was protecting Mr Wright out of a "sense of loyalty", saying he would not remember if someone asked him to destroy a helicopter's maintenance release (MR) form.
"If Mr Wright, in September 2022, said to you, 'Jai, old mate, I want you to find and destroy the original MR for [the crashed helicopter] because I'm worried the authorities are going to get their hands on it', if that happened, you would have to remember it, wouldn't you Mr Tomlinson?" Mr Gullaci asked.
"I wouldn't remember the conversation," Mr Tomlinson replied.
"That's your serious evidence?" Mr Gullaci asked.
"100 per cent."
"Have you ever been asked to commit a criminal offence before by destroying documents that might be related to an investigation?"
"I don't remember."
"And it would stand out starkly if it had happened, wouldn't it?"
"Not in my mind, no."
Mr Gullaci played Mr Tomlinson part of the recording in which Mr Wright allegedly says "everyone's starting to put the pressure on, start squealing" and Mr Tomlinson allegedly replies "one word against another's".
But Mr Tomlinson said he did not know what the word "squeal" might mean in that context, saying "I have two daughters and if they were to squeal, there's something going on".
"Yeah, thanks for that," Mr Gullaci replied.
"Everyone starting to put the pressure on, start squealing — what does squeal mean in that context Mr Tomlinson?" Mr Gullaci asked.
"I don't know, I don't remember the conversation."
"Is that a serious answer?"
"It is a serious answer."
"Do you know any other definition of the word squeal?"
"No, I haven't looked it up."
Mr Gullaci suggested Mr Tomlinson had changed his evidence from a pre-trial hearing when he had been unable to offer a definition for the word, and realising "how ridiculous your answers were", tried to "come up with an explanation".
"Are you seriously suggesting, as a man of 45 years of age, that you've never heard the concept of someone squealing, that is giving someone up?" he asked.
"Not to my knowledge," Mr Tomlinson replied.
"I suggest to you that that's just a flat-out lie, that you have heard and you do know that meaning," Mr Gullaci said.
"And the reason why you are taking this nonsensical position is because you know that if you know what the word 'squeal' means, there can only be one thing you were talking about on this recording."
"No," Mr Tomlinson replied.
The trial continues in Darwin on Friday.
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