Andy Cohen sparks feud with tennis star Martina Navratilova as he calls her comments on surrogacy 'dumb'
The Emmy-winner, 57 — who is father to two children conceived via the surrogacy process — spoke about Navratilova's remarks Tuesday on his SiriusXM station satellite show, Andy Cohen Live.
The St. Louis native addressed a now-deleted tweet Navratilova — whose wife is Bravo star Julia Lemigova, 53 — published last month that read, 'Surrogacy is just wrong. Sometimes you can't have it all.'
Cohen didn't mince words on the latest episode of his SiriusXM show Andy Cohen Live as he said he felt Navratilova's remark stemmed from a place of ignorance.
'What Martina tweeted was, "Surrogacy is wrong." She said, "Surrogacy is just wrong. Sometimes you can't have it all" - well, here's the deal, that's just ill-informed and dumb.
'Basically, she's uninformed on the issue, so I just think she's not informed - it's ... a bad take, what can I tell you? She's just wrong.'
Cohen added, 'You know, Julia did say on Watch What Happens Live ... what she said is Martina's tweet was kind of misinterpreted or misrepresented - what Martina tweeted was, 'Surrogacy is wrong!''
Daily Mail has reached out to reps for Navratilova for further comment on the story.
The Bravo executive producer added that he 'didn't want to start debating it' with Lemigova during the live WWHL broadcast.
Cohen said that the controversial topic would probably be up for discussion with Lemigova at the upcoming Real Housewives of Miami reunion.
'Julia and I have discussed this offline,' said Cohen, who has overseen a SiriusXM station Radio Andy for a decade. 'Martina will not be at the Miami reunion, so I will not be asking Martina about this.'
In a July 30 appearance on Watch What Happens Live, Lemigova said of her spouse's controversial take: 'I completely disagree with her comments.'
Lemigova told Cohen on the show: 'Well, you know, Martina and I share a bed, but we don't share a brain.'
She added that her and Navratilova don't 'always agree on different views,' but that she believes in surrogacy.
A number of Bravo fans took Cohen to task for his remarks in an Instagram comment thread - and said the tennis icon was well within her right to express her views without being labeled as uninformed.
'Surrogacy is 100% abused and babies become commodities to be sold,' said one user. 'So Martina is allowed her opinion! Whether he likes it or not.'
Said another user: 'Why can't she have her own opinion???'
One fan wrote, 'Sooo now people can't opinions that differ from yours! Cute.'
Said one user: 'I'm not sure calling someone dumb is the right way to go about it tho. Keep it professional Andy.'
Cohen has been open about his surrogacy journey as well as his experience with single fatherhood.
The TV personality's first child — six-year-old son Benjamin Allen — was born on February 4, 2019.
He then welcomed daughter Lucy Eve, now three, three years later on April 29, 2022.
A year after Lucy's birth, Cohen revealed to pal Anderson Cooper revealed the thinking behind his decision to become a father as he neared 50.
'Your mom loved that Peggy Lee song, Is That All There Is?' said Cohen, referring to Anderson's mother, the famed socialite Gloria Vanderbilt.
'That's where I was. I was approaching 50, and I heard that song in my head. I was like: 'There's gotta be a greater purpose for me. This is wonderful, and I absolutely love it. But there has to be a greater purpose,'' he said on CBS.
Having children has 'has changed me in every way. I mean, I think my priorities have completely shifted,' the Real Housewives producer explained.
'I think my sense of accomplishment has totally changed. And even just getting your kids breakfast and getting them out to school, when I drop him off at school, I'm like: 'You did it, dude! That was a rough two-and-a-half hours, you know?''
Andy also explained why he did not allow the fact that he was single to stop him from becoming a father - though it has changed what he looks for in a relationship.
'I just thought: 'I wanna do this. And I'm doing it. And I know it's gonna be really hard, and I don't know what that actually means.''
However he admitted in the 2023 interview that 'I think this year for the first time, I think having Lucy, my second child, I think suddenly I was like: 'Wow. I have two kids. I'm doing this alone.''
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I ask what the painting It's My Garden, Asshole is about. 'I was with a friend who was in her early 40s and had just had her second baby after losing her first. We were discussing how her in-laws had the audacity to tell her they thought she was a little too fat from the second pregnancy when a drone flew over my back yard. I thought: so many people have a lot of opinions about what we should do with our bodies and our faces while we're delivering life on this planet, and taking care of everybody, and I was like: 'You know what, it's my garden, asshole!'' Stone also became an activist, raising millions for people with HIV. In 2016, at 58, she went back to university to get the degree she had started at 15. 'When Hillary [Clinton] was running for president and said: 'You can do anything,' I thought: that's true, I should get my degree.' Since Basic Instinct 2 in 2006 – much disparaged by critics and which she called 'a piece of shit' – Stone has made few movies of note. But things are changing. This month, she's back with Nobody 2, about a nobody, played by Bob Odenkirk, who turns out to be a top assassin. 'Now, I'm making good films. I was good in Nobody 2 and I know it.' She certainly looks as if she's having fun as the crime boss Lendina. Stone says when she was offered the part, she insisted on transforming her into a feminist hero. 'I said: 'I need this villain to be more personal to me.' I don't want to play villains unless they touch the zeitgeist. So I wanted this villain to feel as if she came out of social media, because that is the most scary thing right now.' Why is she so often cast as a villain? 'I think very beautiful, smart people are perceived in very specific ways. Because I'm a woman who is beautiful, it's easier to have me not be emotionally intelligent, not have me be deep, not have me be tender and full. People don't really believe that a beautiful woman is accessible to them.' And inaccessibility, she says, is regarded as a form of villainy. 'Men don't even ask you to date because they can't imagine you are accessible to them. Within society, we have never said a woman can be beautiful and smart. And kind. And nice. And funny. And a mom. And the breadwinner. No, no, no, no. She couldn't be all those things, because then, oh my God, she would be equal to a man! If I was beautiful and smart and nice, what would happen to society?' Five more minutes, the publicist says. Stone is on a roll. 'I could be UN person of the year, which I was [she was named the UN Correspondents Association global citizen of the year in 2023 for her humanitarian work]. I could pitch ideas to the United Nations and have them fulfilled and no one may ever know. I could be a Nobel Peace Summit award winner [in 2013 for her HIV and Aids work] and an Einstein winner [she won the Einstein Spirit of Achievement award in 2007, also for her HIV and Aids work]. I could win these awards, but we can't also have me be nice, or kind, or compassionate, because what would happen? The. World. Would. Fall. Apart.' Actually, I say, one of my favourite films of hers is one in which she is kind. In The Mighty, she plays the mother of Kieran Culkin's Freak, a 12-year-old with a terminal condition. She says it's one of her favourites, too. 'And you know why I got that film? I'll tell you exactly why I got that film. I got that film because I had a production deal with Harvey Weinstein and after years of him paying for my offices and my staff, paying for everything, he realised he wasn't getting anything he was hoping for. And he turned around and said: 'I've got this children's book and I have to produce it.'' She stops, briefly. 'But I was not going to fuck Harvey Weinstein.' Did he try it on with her? 'Well, I'm not the girl he's going to take into a hotel room naked and I'm not the girl he's going to grab. I am the girl he threw across the room at a cocktail party. And I am the girl that he hit. And I am the girl whose ass he grabbed, but I'm not the girl he's going to rape or molest and I'm not the girl he's going to ask for a massage, right? But I am the girl he's going to give a production deal to and going to get fed up with and give a children's movie to deal with.' Stone has been associated with amfAR, an Aids research foundation, for 30 years, hosting many of its fundraising galas. In 2007, Weinstein got involved with the charity. 'Harvey then put himself on the board, right? And backstage he would shove me around and yell at me and come on stage and grab the mic from me and try to make these inappropriate deals with his friends, like we're gonna take that money from that guy on this item. Then I'd take the mic from him and say: 'Harvey, get off the stage, I call the numbers, we're not taking that deal.' 'I'd come off the stage and he'd shove me across the room and go: 'Don't humiliate me,' and I'd go: 'You're a crook, Harvey, get your fucking hands off me.' He did not try to fuck me, but he was definitely physically violent with me. He slapped me, he threw me across the room, he shoved me around countless times.' Last question please, the publicist says. Perhaps she's as exhausted as I am. Stone is over the top, a little unreliable, thoroughly immodest and rather magnificent. But it feels as if she has barely started. There is so much more to talk about. She has not even mentioned the time the producer Robert Evans advised her to have sex with her Sliver co-star, William Baldwin, to save the film and get a better performance out of him. (She was appalled and refused.) Or the time she had her breasts reconstructed after having benign tumours removed and the surgeon gave her a nonconsensual breast enlargement because he thought she would be grateful. A couple of days before our interview, it was announced that Eszterhas, the Basic Instinct writer, was planning a reboot. Would she take part in it? She laughs. 'There's not going to be a Basic Instinct reboot. I hate to break it to you, but Joe Eszterhas couldn't write himself out of a Walgreens drug store.' It's 20 minutes since the publicist told me to wrap up. I'm beginning to feel guilty, but Stone is still happily talking about empty nest syndrome, now that her youngest boys have left for college, and her plans for the future. She says she may lease out her home because she has so many projects on the go in so many places. She mentions her part in the new series of Euphoria and 'a beautiful film' called In Memoriam that she has already completed. It sounds like you're in a good place, I say. 'I'm having a fun time. All of a sudden, the kids are out and I'm like: now what am I going to do? I think going back to work is what's happening.' Despite everything – the abuse, the stroke, the fallout from Basic Instinct, the losses – she says she has always been a glass-half-full kind of gal. Actually, she says, even an empty glass can have its positives. 'It can get refilled, right? Sometimes an empty glass is what you need.' Nobody 2 is in cinemas in Australia from 14 August and the UK, the US and Ireland from 15 August
