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Watch CNBC's full interview with Morgan Stanley's Ellen Zentner, Charles Schwab's Kevin Gordon and Truist's Keith Lerner

Watch CNBC's full interview with Morgan Stanley's Ellen Zentner, Charles Schwab's Kevin Gordon and Truist's Keith Lerner

CNBC12-06-2025
CNBC's "Closing Bell" is joined by Ellen Zentner, chief economic strategist and head of thematic and macro investing at Morgan Stanley Wealth Management, Truist Wealth's co-chief investment officer Keith Lerner and Kevin Gordon, senior investment strategist at Charles Schwab, to discuss U.S. markets, their outlook for the U.S. and more.
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