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Comedy was just a hobby for Atsuko – then three years ago, ‘things happened'

Comedy was just a hobby for Atsuko – then three years ago, ‘things happened'

This story is part of the August 9 edition of Good Weekend. See all 13 stories.
Each week, Benjamin Law asks public figures to discuss the subjects we're told to keep private by getting them to roll a die. The numbers they land on are the topics they're given. This week he speaks to Atsuko Okatsuka. The Japanese-Taiwanese-American comedian, 37, was named Best Comedy Debut of 2022 by The New York Times for her stand-up special, The Intruder. Her latest release is Father.
POLITICS
Your maternal great-grandfather was a pro-independence Taiwanese politician whose son – your grandfather – was assassinated by the Kuomintang. Did you grow up knowing these stories? My family doesn't talk about a lot of things; it gives me bits and pieces and then I have to be a detective about it … with a comedian's brain. I don't know if it's an Asian family thing, but we're all forced to be Sherlock Holmes because everyone's just trying to swallow what happened in the past and keep it down.
Your comedy is laugh-out-loud, but you also talk about your family history and some of it's heavy. How do you make that material approachable? Oh, I have to remember to chase the funny. Like when I tried to give my grandma a bath recently, it was hard. I was nude. I can laugh about it, but for someone else hearing it … they might need more jokes.
What do you think the US gets right, compared with other countries? We legalised weed in a lot of the states and I think that's correct. Has there ever been a serial killer on weed? Not that I can think of. You'd be caught way too easily. Or you'd be laughing on your way to murder someone and be way too loud.
What does the US get wrong? We're too big! Too big means more people, which means too many different opinions.
SEX
If you could get into a time machine to meet Atsuko as a kid, and have a pep talk with her about sex, what would you say to her? I don't know. I don't really know kids. I don't talk to any kids. We don't have kids. I'm not friends with any kids. Why would I be friends with kids? That's creepy.
Which reminds me: you recently posted a fun video documenting your husband, Ryan, getting a vasectomy. Apparently, they call it a 'pipe cut' in Japan.
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We know roughly what works and most people want a product they enjoy that fades into the background so they can have a human experience, rather than a technological experience.' VR and AI, Rafe says, have 'the potential to create more personalised, immersive experiences, especially for folks interested in exploring sexuality, fantasies and kinks they might not feel ready to explore with others'. But she warns they may also 'portray porn-like fantasies with unrealistic bodies'. James' forecast for the next big trend in the industry will be in education rather than products. Grace and Wark feel strongly that Normal should play an educational role for its customers. 'Our sex education is focused on a narrow set of risk-based messages around pregnancy and STIs and neglects a huge amount of other topics that are important to fulfilling sexuality, like pleasure and communication,' says Wark. 'We found a lot of [knowledge gaps] would get filled by porn and pop culture representations that were often pretty unrealistic. So part of what we wanted to do was create digital, free, LGBTQ-inclusive sex education.' For Lovehoney, Plettenberg says the next frontier is finding ways to introduce toys to those who don't own them. Rafe says the mainstream acceptance of sex toys has been 'game changing', adding: 'It's important to also normalise that not everyone wants to be super sexually expressive, and that's OK too if it's not avoidance due to shame, lack of education or fear.' 'Every person will have different desires and pleasure needs, which is what makes sex so varied and fun, whether that includes every toy available, or no toys at all.'

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