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A lifeline for Hollywood jobs or a corporate giveaway? The film tax credit debate returns

A lifeline for Hollywood jobs or a corporate giveaway? The film tax credit debate returns

It's showtime for Hollywood at the California Capitol.
The state's entertainment industry has spent months begging for help from Sacramento to stem the decline of film and TV production and save thousands of jobs.
This week, after months of speeches and promises from public officials, two bills meant to boost the beleaguered business cleared their first legislative hurdles.
The bills are intended to make California's film and TV production incentive more competitive with other states and countries by increasing the tax credit up to 35% of qualified expenditures and expanding the types of productions that would be eligible.
It's a potential lifeline for the entertainment industry, which has been battered in recent years by production slowdowns wrought by the pandemic, the dual writers' and actors' strikes in 2023, a pullback in spending by the studios, the recent Southern California wildfires and productions fleeing the Golden State.
'We don't want to become the car industry in Detroit or aerospace in California,' said Rebecca Rhine, president of the Entertainment Union Coalition and Western executive director of the Directors Guild of America. 'When our industry thrives, we think California thrives.'
The bills won unanimous votes out of the state Senate revenue and taxation committee and the Assembly arts and entertainment committee.
But despite Gov. Gavin Newsom's initial call last year to more than double the money allocated to the state's film and TV tax credit program, passage of the two bills is far from a done deal.
Critics have been skeptical of the film and TV tax credit program since it was introduced in 2009 under former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Some say the tax credits are corporate giveaways and don't deliver as much economic value as proponents claim.
'The economy does best when government doesn't pick winners and losers,' said Wayne Winegarden, senior fellow of business and economics at Pacific Research Institute, a California-based think tank that advocates for free markets. 'This is not the right way to get a pro-growth fiscal business environment that accelerates job growth.'
Additionally, California now faces a difficult economic outlook, as officials brace for potential cuts in federal funding, as well as tariff-related pressures on state revenues and stock market volatility that could reduce tax collections that fund state programs.
That all forces difficult questions for legislators about which priorities to fund.
In a recent post on X, Assemblymember Corey Jackson said Democratic voters in California 'should be outraged that we aren't spending more on housing, allowing seniors to fall into homelessness, and allowing so many children to live in poverty. For corporate and movie studio tax breaks.'
Reached by phone, Jackson said that while expanding film and TV tax credits is a worthy policy, state lawmakers must consider what they'd have to sacrifice for them, particularly as the state budget is under stress.
'If we were back in the period where we have more money than we can spend, this would be a no-brainer,' Jackson said. 'But it's time to bring people back to reality. This should not just be a slam-dunk to people.'
Hollywood workers argue that an expanded film and TV tax credit would generate economic returns beyond the industry, with ripple effects touching tourism as well as small businesses such as dry cleaners, florists and caterers that rely on entertainment spending. And after years of struggles, workers say the industry is at an inflection point.
That has led to a major lobbying effort on Hollywood's part.
More than 100,000 letters have been sent to individual state lawmakers in support of the bills, with an additional 22,000 letters sent to the Senate revenue and taxation committee.
Dozens of representatives from all of the major entertainment industry unions trekked to Sacramento to support the legislation, as did studio executives, their lobbyists and the Motion Picture Assn. trade group.
It's the kind of show of force State Sen. Ben Allen and Assemblymember Rick Chavez Zbur, two of the bills' co-sponsors, had called for when they spoke to a crowd last week at Burbank's Evergreen Studios recording facility and urged entertainment workers to contact their representatives.
'It's going to be a fight to get this done because of the headwinds,' Allen told the crowd, noting that there are many competing priorities at the state level. Just the mention of the legislation was enough to elicit applause and cheers from the audience.
Industry insiders and lawmakers, including at the Burbank town hall, have tried to fend off criticism that this is a gift to corporations.
They described them as jobs bills that will reward the productions that generate the most employment and will not allow companies to use the tax credits until after production has wrapped.
California currently provides a 20% to 25% tax credit to offset qualified production expenses, such as money spent on film crews and building sets. Production companies can apply the credit toward any tax liabilities they have in California. Raising the credit to 35% is significant, supporters say. Projects that shoot elsewhere in the state could get a credit of 40%.
The legislation also would expand the types of productions that would qualify, including animated films, shorts and series, along with large-scale competition shows. Independent productions will be allocated 10% of the total amount in the program, up from the current 8%.
'In some respects, the headwinds have actually strengthened the bill,' Allen told The Times. 'They've forced really careful, intense, thoughtful, targeted conversations and negotiations.'
Outside of Hollywood, the bills have the backing of the California Labor Federation, whose executive council unanimously voted to support the legislation in February, said President Lorena Gonzalez.
Though the organization is not always supportive of tax credits, the federation has always supported the film and TV program, she said.
'The fact is the unique situation with Hollywood being so unionized,' said Gonzalez. 'In order to preserve those good union jobs and the middle-class lives that are developed as a result, we'd like to keep those jobs here.'
The lobbying effort has led to unusual alliances, particularly in the wake of the strikes, with both studios and Hollywood unions rallying on the same side. Both groups, however, have worked together on previous film and TV tax credit proposals.
In a letter to the leaders of the Assembly committee on revenue and taxation, Motion Picture Assn. Chief Executive Charles H. Rivkin wrote that the changes to the film and TV tax credit program would 'help attract more productions and jobs in California.'
If the bill were enacted, he wrote, the studios will submit more applications to the California Film Commission, 'leading to locating more of their productions in California, which will create and retain good jobs for Californians.'
But even within Hollywood's overall push, there are differing priorities among stakeholders. During the Burbank town hall meeting, postproduction workers and music scoring professionals called for carve-outs, noting that other states and countries now offer specific rebates for this work.
That has led to a steep decline in production for these workers. The average number of booked recording days for a sampling of L.A.'s scoring stages is now 11 days for 2025 so far, a far cry from the average of 127 days for all of 2022 during the peak of the streaming boom, said Peter Rotter, founder of Encompass Music Partners, who helped organize the town hall.
Much scoring work has moved to Europe or even Nashville, while some postproduction work has been diverted to places like Canada and London.
'It's going to take a village,' Rotter told The Times. 'We have one shot at this right now.'
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'We are working very hard to make sure that we've got a process for determining the eligibility of people, making sure we hit the error rate that we need to as best we can, and we're working very hard every single day to effectuate that, but it's going to take money to do that,' Pritzker said Wednesday, noting to reporters at an unrelated news conference in Springfield that the new requirements do not come with funds for implementation. Efforts to lower the payment error rate can result in people being removed from the food assistance program, Rosen and other experts said — an outcome the state says it's trying to avoid. Still, starting in October, the state said it will be in a yearlong sprint to bring down the error rate measure ahead of cost-sharing measures that go into place after the year is up. If the rate comes down below 6% — from more than 11% currently — by fall 2026, then Illinois could avoid the more than $700 million burden, which would take effect starting in fall 2027. The state has said it can't cover that expected contribution, which is close to the looming transit fiscal cliff or the entire amount by which Illinois increased its operating revenue for the current fiscal year. To bring down the rate, IDHS is using an existing contract with Deloitte to diagnose exactly where those mistakes happen and what changes could be made to the program, according to the governor's office, which did not provide an estimated timeline on those efforts. IDHS is also reviewing its own policies to see how it could reduce the error rate, according to the state. Close to half of the payment errors in Illinois come from inaccurate wage and benefits data, including errors in what people report as their income, the state said. As a result, the governor's office said Illinois is exploring whether it could implement more stringent verifications in some areas, rather than relying on self-reporting, which is typically faster. But trying to bring down the error rate while also needing to implement new work requirements poses a major challenge, experts and the state said. 'If the application process is more stringent … it will be definitely a challenge,' said the Rev. Gary Gaston, CEO at Lessie Bates Davis Neighborhood House, a social services organization that Pritzker visited earlier this summer to highlight the challenges to SNAP. 'People have gotten acclimated to the current process. Any new processes that will be put in place could be challenging.' In the East St. Louis area where Gaston works, people might have difficulty finding work to meet the new requirements, and in some cases also face a lack of transportation options to make appointments, he said. On top of that, the area is already considered a food desert, with no major grocery store in the city — 'a double whammy,' he said. Demanding more information and verification up front can make it harder for people to access benefits, which is likely to result in some people losing benefits, Rosen at the Shriver Center said. The Pritzker administration, for its part, argues that the loss of benefits that could come from efforts to reduce the error rate is an intentional move by the Trump administration to reduce benefits and, in turn, lower the cost of the program to the federal government. Still, the state said it's working to reduce the rate in a way that keeps as many people as possible from losing benefits, as lowering the measure is the only way to avoid the massive potential $700 million bill. 'We want to make sure that we're actually delivering to the maximum number of people that need SNAP,' Pritzker told reporters Wednesday at the state fair, emphasizing that both underpayments and overpayments are considered errors. 'Republicans don't care that we're under-providing. They just want to cut everybody off of SNAP, and that is why they've set this SNAP error rate so low.' Haywood Talcove, CEO for government at LexisNexis Risk Solutions, said he wants to see Illinois and other states simplify their application process for benefits — in an effort to both reduce fraud and improve the experience for people who need benefits — from lengthy paperwork with many self-reported boxes to basic identification information and verification. Republicans have cited fraud and waste as reasons to crack down on parts of the benefits program, and Talcove, who is based in Washington, testified at a Republican-led congressional hearing this year about benefits fraud. If states are pouring millions into benefits and changes to the program, Talcove said, 'I'd like you to fix it, please.' The governor's office has noted that SNAP fraud is not the same as the error rate and that any fraud comes out of $4.7 billion in SNAP benefits that the state issues each year. Statewide, Illinois found about 0.07% of SNAP cases had an intentional program violation, which would have resulted in an IDHS penalty and potentially a court penalty, according to the governor's office. Additionally, there were more than 23,000 claims that benefits were stolen from recipients last year and an estimated $12.5 million in that type of fraud, according to a report from IDHS to the General Assembly. Rosen of the Shriver Center said the state should aim to get the information it needs, 'without being in a world where we make people bring so much stuff so often that they fall off the program.' 'Because inevitably somebody's kid gets sick, so they miss the appointment, and they can't take the three-hour bus ride to get to the office, the website doesn't work and they can't upload something. Those are not good reasons for people to be cut off who are eligible,' he said. In six years at the food bank and more than two decades working in social services, Montes said SNAP has felt 'stable, as far as the rules are concerned.' Now, even the work requirements by themselves are 'going to isolate many people from food, from accessing food, just that alone,' she said. 'Personally, it scares me.'

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