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An asteroid could hit Earth in 2032, NASA says. Here's what to know.

An asteroid could hit Earth in 2032, NASA says. Here's what to know.

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An asteroid nearly the size of a football field now has roughly a 3% chance of hitting Earth in about eight years. Such an impact has the potential for city-level devastation, depending on where it strikes.
CBS News space consultant Bill Harwood said if it landed in a populated area, it would "be truly catastrophic," but the effects would be localized.
"It wouldn't be something like the rock that killed the dinosaurs," Harwood said. "It wouldn't affect the global climate, but it would certainly be a disaster of every proportion. So we're all hoping that doesn't happen."
Scientists aren't panicking yet, but they are watching closely.
"At this point, it's 'Let's pay a lot of attention, let's get as many assets as we can observing it,'" Bruce Betts, chief scientist of The Planetary Society, told the AFP news agency.
What we know about 2024 YR4 and its chances of hitting Earth
Dubbed 2024 YR4, the asteroid was first spotted on December 27, 2024, by the El Sauce Observatory in Chile. Based on its brightness, astronomers estimate it is between 130 and 300 feet wide.
"An asteroid this size impacts Earth on average every few thousand years and could cause severe damage to a local region," the European Space Agency said in a statement.
By New Year's Eve, it had landed on the desk of Kelly Fast, acting planetary defense officer at U.S. space agency NASA, as an object of concern.
"You get observations, they drop off again. This one looked like it had the potential to stick around," she told AFP.
The risk assessment kept climbing, and on January 29, the International Asteroid Warning Network (IAWN), a global planetary defense collaboration, issued a memo.
According to the latest calculations from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, there is a 3.1% chance the asteroid will strike Earth on December 22, 2032.
The asteroid 2024 YR4 is now rated at Level 3 out of 10 on the Torino Impact Hazard Scale, which is "a close encounter" that warrants attention from astronomers and the public.
If it does hit, possible impact sites include over the eastern Pacific Ocean, northern South America, the Atlantic Ocean, Africa, the Arabian Sea, and South Asia, the IAWN memo states.
2024 YR4 follows a highly elliptical, four-year orbit, swinging through the inner planets before shooting past Mars and out toward Jupiter.
For now, it's zooming away from Earth, and its next close pass will not come until 2028. Scientists will be able to get another look at the asteroid then, Harwood said, and determine its orbit and trajectory.
Betts said, "The odds are very good that not only will this not hit Earth, but at some point in the next months to few years, that probability will go to zero."
A similar scenario unfolded in 2004 with Apophis, an asteroid initially projected to have a 2.7 percent chance of striking Earth in 2029. Further observations ruled out an impact.
"City killer" category
The most infamous asteroid impact occurred 66 million years ago, when a six-mile-wide space rock triggered a global winter, wiping out the dinosaurs and 75 percent of all species.
By contrast, 2024 YR4 falls into the "city killer" category.
"If you put it over Paris or London or New York, you basically wipe out the whole city and some of the environs," said Betts.
The best modern comparison is the 1908 Tunguska Event, when an asteroid or comet fragment measuring 30-50 meters exploded over Siberia, flattening 80 million trees across 770 square miles.
Like that impactor, 2024 YR4 would be expected to blow up in the sky, rather than leaving a crater on the ground.
"We can calculate the energy... using the mass and the speed," said Andrew Rivkin, a planetary astronomer at Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory.
For 2024 YR4, the explosion from an airburst would equal around eight megatons of TNT — more than 500 times the power of the Hiroshima bomb.
If it explodes over the ocean, the impact would be less concerning, unless it happens near a coastline triggering a tsunami.
Time to prepare
The good news, experts stress, is that we have plenty of time to prepare.
Rivkin led the investigation for NASA's 2022 DART mission, which successfully nudged an asteroid off its course using a spacecraft — a strategy known as a "kinetic impactor."
The target asteroid posed no threat to Earth, making it an ideal test subject.
"I don't see why it wouldn't work" again, he said. The bigger question is whether major nations would fund such a mission if their own territory was not under threat.
Other, more experimental ideas exist.
Lasers could vaporize part of the asteroid to create a thrust effect, pushing it off course. A "gravity tractor," a large spacecraft that slowly tugs the asteroid away using its own gravitational pull, has also been theorized.
If all else fails, the long warning time means authorities could evacuate the impact zone.
"Nobody should be scared about this," said Fast. "We can find these things, make these predictions and have the ability to plan."
Still, NASA tracks close approaches and calculates the odds of those space rocks — including asteroids, meteors and meteorites — impacting Earth.
"The majority of near-Earth objects have orbits that don't bring them very close to Earth, and therefore pose no risk of impact, but a small fraction of them – called potentially hazardous asteroids – require more attention," according to the website of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which manages the center dedicated to studying near-Earth objects for NASA.
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Zoë Schiffer: So our first story this week is about how the Trump administration has been posting memes to make fun of deportations. Have you seen these at all? Jake Lahut: Yes, unfortunately I have. Yeah. Real fun, funny stuff. Zoë Schiffer: Yeah, real dark. So WIRED contributor, Tess Owen, reported on this pattern of different official government accounts on social media using whatever is viral at the moment and tailoring it to promote and make fun of deportations. And this is especially popular in the accounts of the Department of Homeland Security and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, and the White House. So for example, there's this catchy jingle that belongs to Jet2, which is a low budget British Airline that's been making the rounds lately on social media. [Archival audio]: Nothing beats a Jet2 holiday, and right now- Zoë Schiffer: Last month, DHS and the White House made a joint Instagram post incorporating the tune on top of footage of ICE detainees in handcuffs boarding a deportation plane, and the caption reads, "When ICE books you on one-way Jet2, holiday to deportation, nothing beats it." Jake Lahut: Oh my God. Zoë Schiffer: I honestly have such a hard time thinking about who would find that funny, even if you really are anti-immigration, I don't know another way to say it, it just seems so mean. Jake Lahut: Yeah, if you could have seen our faces when that was playing. Yeah, darling, hold my hand, I don't want to ever see anything like that ever again. Something I've picked up on ever since covering the Trump 2024 campaign, which is, there's obviously still a lot of really weird, cringy, messed up stuff going on here, but it's also an attempt, at least from their point of view in the weird bubble they're in to kind of mainstream this stuff. Zoë Schiffer: Right. And this is actually the point, according to Tessa's reporting, she spoke to experts who said that the goal of this is really to normalize what's happening. The point isn't just to be crude or cruel, it's strategic. This sparked a bunch of backlash. It's not just you and me, but in response to WIRED's reporting, the White House gave a statement that basically just dismissed these concerns and said that it, "won't apologize for posting banger memes." Moving on to the world of crypto. Our colleague, Joel Kalili, reported on a cryptocurrency business called World Liberty Financial, which I'm sure you're familiar with too, Jake. Jake Lahut: Oh, yeah. 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Yeah, basically, if you want to potentially try and curry favor with Trump, you buy into one of these schemes, and maybe you'll get invited to a fancy crypto dinner, which has happened before. Maybe you get something else. But even just the optics here are pretty suspect. Jake Lahut: Yeah. And in a little side item we had in my Interloop Newsletter this week, we had some new data on the somewhat stunning lack of enforcement from the Trump administration across the tech sector, but crypto in particular had pretty much everyone who had been facing any kind of legal action from the Biden administration, having their enforcement actions either dropped completely or paused. And in one instance, we're looking at the maybe first ever pardoning of a company from one of these things. So you don't need to just pony up the money for these things and expect a legislative win, you can just get the heat pulled off of you on the regulatory front. Zoë Schiffer: Right. 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But like you said, the reason that regular people like models isn't often because of their coding ability. It's because they genuinely like talking to them. It's a lot more about the personality, about the warmth, even about the sycophancy, although they've fixed a large part of that in the latest release. And so people completely flipped out. We were looking at Reddit and people were saying, "This is erasure, what have they done? Take me back to 4.0." Jake Lahut: "You took away my friend." Zoë Schiffer: Yeah, I mean it really, really impacted people. I think on the most extreme ends, you see people who have, what looks like perhaps like a mental health crisis, they're so attached to the model, but then you just have complete power users who are like, "This is part of my minute by minute life. What have you done? You didn't warn me." Jake Lahut: And this is where the introspective aspect of these tools, the kind of desire for self-understanding, the people who are not advisably from any medical perspective, but they are trying to use these bots for something akin to therapy. And what it made me think of when I saw this rolling out was, is this maybe the beginning of something bigger where there's kind of a departure between the "regular consumer" experience and demand for AI versus the business application. We may not all have the same definition of intelligence when it comes to these models, and that some of us really just want a buddy, a companion, a way to know ourselves better. And then other people are like, "No, I just need a little team of bots here to manage, get my stuff done, I'm going to babysit and I'm going to tell them what to do and live my life." And yeah, I don't know where that goes. It does seem like it's revealing something maybe genuinely new about the human condition in a way that I would not have expected. Zoë Schiffer: Yeah, I mean, I think it's been a learning for OpenAI. They've been kind of baffled. I've seen these conversations internally where they're like, "I guess people don't care as much about intelligence as we thought." The narrative around intelligence is critically important for fundraising, if nothing else, they really need to raise gobs of money and being like, "We're about to achieve artificial and general intelligence, AI will be able to do all of these things," is really important for that. But for everyday users, it really makes me think of this story that is kind of famous inside OpenAI About the night before the ChatGPT release in November of '22, Ilya, he was testing out what was going to be ChatGPT and asked it 10 pretty hard questions. And he felt like five of them, he got pretty good responses, and five were unacceptably bad. And they had this moment where they were like, "Do we release this? I don't know if it's good enough." And then they decided to move forward. And what we saw was the general public was like, "This is amazing." Because they'd solved a product issue. It wasn't necessarily about the model, which had been out for a long time. It was like the interface to interact with the model was really the unlock. And I think OpenAI, that really is more and more the company's edge, even though it really sees itself as a research lab. It's a product lab in a lot of ways, and it'll be interesting to see how that changes the company moving forward. Jake Lahut: Absolutely. Zoë Schiffer: That's our show for today. We'll link to all the stories we spoke about in the show notes. If you're in San Francisco, don't forget to get your tickets for the September 9th event with KQED. Make sure to check out Thursday's episode of Uncanny Valley , which is about what Palantir actually does and why it's so controversial. Adriana Tapia produced this episode, Amar Lal at Macrosound mixed this episode. Pran Bandi is our New York studio engineer. Kate Osborn is our executive producer. Conde Nass, Head of Global Audio is Chris Bannon and Katie Drummond is WIRED's Global Editorial Director.

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