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CNBC Property Play: Building data centers on the moon

CNBC Property Play: Building data centers on the moon

CNBC15-07-2025
CNBC Property Play brings you interviews with some of the biggest names in real estate, touching on everything from commercial and residential to finance and the mortgage markets, innovation in the industry and the growing risk to assets and operations from climate change.
CNBC's Diana Olick sits down with David Steinbach, global chief investment officer at Hines, and Ross Centers, CEO of Ethos. They discuss why lunar data centers may become the next frontier in real estate, and how the space exploration boom mirrors the early railroad era.
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